The Bobcat Nation

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Just leaving this here. Hope they can turn it around sooner than later. They can say what they want about our football program but as a University, MSU and Cruzado have taken the proper steps to become the best university in Montana now and in the future. Let the debates begin.

VimSince03 wrote:http://www.montanakaimin.com/opinion/a- ... =hootsuite

Just leaving this here. Hope they can turn it around sooner than later. They can say what they want about our football program but as a University, MSU and Cruzado have taken the proper steps to become the best university in Montana now and in the future. Let the debates begin.

That was a bit scathing to say the least...

Completely coincidentally with the year’s events, four of the senior-most administrators within Engstrom’s cabinet retired. University commissars assure us this was not a purge, and that replacement administrators will no longer be judged solely based on their adherence to the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I don't know much about the situation but is he implying that there are too many Mormon's amongst the administration? Do you guys think there is? I find that statement odd

blueandgoldblitz wrote:

Completely coincidentally with the year’s events, four of the senior-most administrators within Engstrom’s cabinet retired. University commissars assure us this was not a purge, and that replacement administrators will no longer be judged solely based on their adherence to the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I don't know much about the situation but is he implying that there are too many Mormon's amongst the administration? Do you guys think there is? I find that statement odd

I think it's more of a swipe at RE, a well known LDS member, that he was hiring and firing people based on their religious ideology. I remember quite a few threads on Egriz about that.

Royce is a Mormon? I had a Moose drool with him at a tailgate party last year. Nice guy.

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griz5700 wrote:Royce is a Mormon? I had a Moose drool with him at a tailgate party last year. Nice guy.

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Moose Drool Lite

VimSince03 wrote:

griz5700 wrote:Royce is a Mormon? I had a Moose drool with him at a tailgate party last year. Nice guy.

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Moose Drool Lite

The saying is true here in Utah;
If you want to get rid of your extra beer, invite your LDS friend over for some cold ones. If you want to keep your beer, invite your LDS friends over.

blueandgoldblitz wrote:

Completely coincidentally with the year’s events, four of the senior-most administrators within Engstrom’s cabinet retired. University commissars assure us this was not a purge, and that replacement administrators will no longer be judged solely based on their adherence to the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I don't know much about the situation but is he implying that there are too many Mormon's amongst the administration? Do you guys think there is? I find that statement odd

It's totally true.

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

blueandgoldblitz wrote:

Completely coincidentally with the year’s events, four of the senior-most administrators within Engstrom’s cabinet retired. University commissars assure us this was not a purge, and that replacement administrators will no longer be judged solely based on their adherence to the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I don't know much about the situation but is he implying that there are too many Mormon's amongst the administration? Do you guys think there is? I find that statement odd

I think it's more of a swipe at RE, a well known LDS member, that he was hiring and firing people based on their religious ideology. I remember quite a few threads on Egriz about that.

This

The claims are similar to what happened here:
https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/newsroom/release/11-10-08.cfm

Favoritism is part of the LDS culture in my experience. (After being told many things like "you're the first non-LDS manager we've ever had, so it's hard for some folks here to trust you."). I used to manage a group of around 150 people here in Utah. Good people, but tightly wound to their LDS culture. (And I do mean culture, not religion)

I think UM found RE did not violate their policies, but the claims are out there.

I worked at a mining company. When they hired a production manager that was a Mormon, within 2 years everybody that worked in that dept were Mormons. It is pounded into them.

It took Goscats 15 mins to move this thread into obscurity on Egriz, apparently this is a touchy subject for griz fans.

luckyirishguy25 wrote:It took Goscats 15 mins to move this thread into obscurity on Egriz, apparently this is a touchy subject for griz fans.

It's not easy for them. Diehard fans are like this. We want a happy ending. When MSU had its issues I know I wanted to believe we'd come out of it better off. I think we did, but it turned out to be in terms of realizing what really matters. Fortunately MSU wasn't a national power at the time, so it was easy to come to terms with. A few of the more diehard UM fans appear to be struggling. They had a long run of glory years, so they're more entrenched in their groupthink. Very South Park-like. It's probably too soon, but that would be a funny episode.

TomCat88 wrote: Very South Park-like. It's probably too soon, but that would be a funny episode.

A new Whole Foods would put them right back on track.

As I respond, I'm trying to put myself in the chair of a journalism professor grading a paper.

The whole article was written by an axe-to-grind, overly-left-wing, going-to-change-the-world, college student that is very obviously against anything an administration or other authority does that does not support the writer's personal beliefs. While his/her notions are based on simple facts, they omit any other facts and details that do not support what appears to be his/her very anti-athletics, left-wing agenda.

True, UM had a lousy year in terms of student growth, budget issues, questionable decisions. Not all is well in griz-land. But to me, this "article" is so heavily slanted that has no more value than any anonymous person posting on a site like this one or eGriz. It does not pass even a basic journalism "smell test".

I understand it is a student newspaper, but the writer lost all credibility early on when he/she wrote this gem:

"In the face of plummeting oil prices, the advancing Clean Power Act, and promising human extinction, the Regents remained steadfast that divestment is fiscally irresponsible for the University, and especially the oil industry"

The writer does not appear to have any grasp on the concept of how investments work, and that improvement in economy will drive oil back up and the UM Foundation will eventually be quite profitable. The best time to invest in a commodity is when it is way down. The writer is forgetting that the Foundation needs to be about revenue, not simply political or environmental beliefs. The writer also omits details about the funding of the athletic facilities and what that investment will return to the university as well. All while he/she takes some very easy pot-shots at the football team that a simple troll on a fan board would even pass up.

This is written like a "letter to the editor", not and "editorial". I would give it a D-

Politics aside and reacting like a fan on a message board. I learned two things.

The UM Athletic Department thankfully avoided the sexual assault spotlight, instead preferring to accidentally overreport the number of athletes with good grades to the NCAA after building a new athlete tutoring center, and gloss over the mass desertion of women’s volleyball players over the winter break.

TomCat88 wrote: Fortunately MSU wasn't a national power at the time, so it was easy to come to terms with.

MSU is a national power NOW?

3-7-77 wrote:

TomCat88 wrote: Fortunately MSU wasn't a national power at the time, so it was easy to come to terms with.

MSU is a national power NOW?

Reading is hard huh?

3-7-77 wrote:

TomCat88 wrote: Fortunately MSU wasn't a national power at the time, so it was easy to come to terms with.

MSU is a national power NOW?

If you don't think MSU remains one of the top programs in the FCS, then you're delusional. One losing season does not a tragedy make.

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3-7-77 wrote:

TomCat88 wrote: Fortunately MSU wasn't a national power at the time, so it was easy to come to terms with.

MSU is a national power NOW?

If you don't think MSU remains one of the top programs in the FCS, then you're delusional. One losing season does not a tragedy make.

I guess it depends upon how you look at it. We've been among the top 5 in the nation in attendance every year since the addition of the new end zone, and we'd have to be considered among the top three programs in the BSC over the last (almost) 15 years now. But I don't know if we can be considered a true "national power", when we've only been as far as the national QF three times in the last 32 years, and haven't made the Semis even once since the 1984 NC season.

Probably depends more on how you read it. He was making a comparison to UM, which was a national power when it had it's onslaught of problems. So unlike UM, MSU wasn't a national power at the time all hell broke loose, so that made it easier to swallow. But no need to quibble over it, because the main point I'm seeing is that the bigger you are, the harder you fall. And I agree that's what UM is experiencing.