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By now, I'm sure everyone has heard about the Rams trading up to get the overall #1 pick in the draft from the Titans. Obviously they're going to take a QB, but apparently they're still undecided between Carson Wentz of NDSU and Jared Goff of Cal, although maybe leaning towards Goff at this time. As a Rams fan, I'm not sure either one of them is enough of a sure thing, to be worth all the draft picks they had to send to Tennessee. It would be cool to see an FCS guy come in and do well for them though, so I'm hoping they take Wentz. Whichever one doesn't go to LA, is likely headed to Cleveland. The Rams haven't been very successful over the last 10-12 years, but the Browns have been an absolute train wreck for pretty much the entire history of their franchise (the 2nd edition), so I'm sure both those guys are really hoping to get picked by the Rams. Plus, I'm guessing that they'd much rather live in LA, rather than Cleveland. It's a big gamble for the Rams...giving up all those draft picks. They were on the other side of a deal like this four years ago, when they traded the RG3 pick for a bunch of draft choices, although the Rams gave up even more picks in this trade, than the Redskins gave them for RG3. With the way he struggled after his first season, there's no question that they came out on the right end of that deal, even though not many of those draft picks have turned into great players. I don't know if they didn't draft very well, or if Fisher and his staff just haven't done a very good job of developing the talent they've been given.

John K wrote:By now, I'm sure everyone has heard about the Rams trading up to get the overall #1 pick in the draft from the Titans. Obviously they're going to take a QB, but apparently they're still undecided between Carson Wentz of NDSU and Jared Goff of Cal, although maybe leaning towards Goff at this time. As a Rams fan, I'm not sure either one of them is enough of a sure thing, to be worth all the draft picks they had to send to Tennessee. It would be cool to see an FCS guy come in and do well for them though, so I'm hoping they take Wentz. Whichever one doesn't go to LA, is likely headed to Cleveland. The Rams haven't been very successful over the last 10-12 years, but the Browns have been an absolute train wreck for pretty much the entire history of their franchise (the 2nd edition), so I'm sure both those guys are really hoping to get picked by the Rams. Plus, I'm guessing that they'd much rather live in LA, rather than Cleveland. It's a big gamble for the Rams...giving up all those draft picks. They were on the other side of a deal like this four years ago, when they traded the RG3 pick for a bunch of draft choices, although the Rams gave up even more picks in this trade, than the Redskins gave them for RG3. With the way he struggled after his first season, there's no question that they came out on the right end of that deal, even though not many of those draft picks have turned into great players. I don't know if they didn't draft very well, or if Fisher and his staff just haven't done a very good job of developing the talent they've been given.

After watching the combine I thought it was clear Goff was a more well rounded QB than Wentz, I still think Wentz is a first rounder, but if it was my choice I'd take Goff.

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:By now, I'm sure everyone has heard about the Rams trading up to get the overall #1 pick in the draft from the Titans. Obviously they're going to take a QB, but apparently they're still undecided between Carson Wentz of NDSU and Jared Goff of Cal, although maybe leaning towards Goff at this time. As a Rams fan, I'm not sure either one of them is enough of a sure thing, to be worth all the draft picks they had to send to Tennessee. It would be cool to see an FCS guy come in and do well for them though, so I'm hoping they take Wentz. Whichever one doesn't go to LA, is likely headed to Cleveland. The Rams haven't been very successful over the last 10-12 years, but the Browns have been an absolute train wreck for pretty much the entire history of their franchise (the 2nd edition), so I'm sure both those guys are really hoping to get picked by the Rams. Plus, I'm guessing that they'd much rather live in LA, rather than Cleveland. It's a big gamble for the Rams...giving up all those draft picks. They were on the other side of a deal like this four years ago, when they traded the RG3 pick for a bunch of draft choices, although the Rams gave up even more picks in this trade, than the Redskins gave them for RG3. With the way he struggled after his first season, there's no question that they came out on the right end of that deal, even though not many of those draft picks have turned into great players. I don't know if they didn't draft very well, or if Fisher and his staff just haven't done a very good job of developing the talent they've been given.

After watching the combine I thought it was clear Goff was a more well rounded QB than Wentz, I still think Wentz is a first rounder, but if it was my choice I'd take Goff.

It seems like the consensus opinion is that Goff is probably more "pro ready' right now, but that Wentz might have a slightly better upside down the road a few years. If that's accurate, then I think they'll go with Goff. There's going to be a lot of pressure on the Rams to win right away. LA doesn't have much tolerance for losing, and even though they just gave Fisher a new contract, I think he's probably feeling a little heat too. All those high draft picks they've had over the last four years, since the RG3 trade, haven't translated into much success on the field.

John K wrote:

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:By now, I'm sure everyone has heard about the Rams trading up to get the overall #1 pick in the draft from the Titans. Obviously they're going to take a QB, but apparently they're still undecided between Carson Wentz of NDSU and Jared Goff of Cal, although maybe leaning towards Goff at this time. As a Rams fan, I'm not sure either one of them is enough of a sure thing, to be worth all the draft picks they had to send to Tennessee. It would be cool to see an FCS guy come in and do well for them though, so I'm hoping they take Wentz. Whichever one doesn't go to LA, is likely headed to Cleveland. The Rams haven't been very successful over the last 10-12 years, but the Browns have been an absolute train wreck for pretty much the entire history of their franchise (the 2nd edition), so I'm sure both those guys are really hoping to get picked by the Rams. Plus, I'm guessing that they'd much rather live in LA, rather than Cleveland. It's a big gamble for the Rams...giving up all those draft picks. They were on the other side of a deal like this four years ago, when they traded the RG3 pick for a bunch of draft choices, although the Rams gave up even more picks in this trade, than the Redskins gave them for RG3. With the way he struggled after his first season, there's no question that they came out on the right end of that deal, even though not many of those draft picks have turned into great players. I don't know if they didn't draft very well, or if Fisher and his staff just haven't done a very good job of developing the talent they've been given.

After watching the combine I thought it was clear Goff was a more well rounded QB than Wentz, I still think Wentz is a first rounder, but if it was my choice I'd take Goff.

It seems like the consensus opinion is that Goff is probably more "pro ready' right now, but that Wentz might have a slightly better upside down the road a few years. If that's accurate, then I think they'll go with Goff. There's going to be a lot of pressure on the Rams to win right away. LA doesn't have much tolerance for losing, and even though they just gave Fisher a new contract, I think he's probably feeling a little heat too. All those high draft picks they've had over the last four years, since the RG3 trade, haven't translated into much success on the field.

Thinking about this more, Wentz must be the Rams choice, Otherwise I don't see the point in trading up for the #1 pick in the draft. Cleveland seems to have their heart set on Wentz, so if LA was going to take Goff they really didn't need to trade all the way up to #1 to secure him as the Titans are not going to take a QB round 1.

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:By now, I'm sure everyone has heard about the Rams trading up to get the overall #1 pick in the draft from the Titans. Obviously they're going to take a QB, but apparently they're still undecided between Carson Wentz of NDSU and Jared Goff of Cal, although maybe leaning towards Goff at this time. As a Rams fan, I'm not sure either one of them is enough of a sure thing, to be worth all the draft picks they had to send to Tennessee. It would be cool to see an FCS guy come in and do well for them though, so I'm hoping they take Wentz. Whichever one doesn't go to LA, is likely headed to Cleveland. The Rams haven't been very successful over the last 10-12 years, but the Browns have been an absolute train wreck for pretty much the entire history of their franchise (the 2nd edition), so I'm sure both those guys are really hoping to get picked by the Rams. Plus, I'm guessing that they'd much rather live in LA, rather than Cleveland. It's a big gamble for the Rams...giving up all those draft picks. They were on the other side of a deal like this four years ago, when they traded the RG3 pick for a bunch of draft choices, although the Rams gave up even more picks in this trade, than the Redskins gave them for RG3. With the way he struggled after his first season, there's no question that they came out on the right end of that deal, even though not many of those draft picks have turned into great players. I don't know if they didn't draft very well, or if Fisher and his staff just haven't done a very good job of developing the talent they've been given.

After watching the combine I thought it was clear Goff was a more well rounded QB than Wentz, I still think Wentz is a first rounder, but if it was my choice I'd take Goff.

It seems like the consensus opinion is that Goff is probably more "pro ready' right now, but that Wentz might have a slightly better upside down the road a few years. If that's accurate, then I think they'll go with Goff. There's going to be a lot of pressure on the Rams to win right away. LA doesn't have much tolerance for losing, and even though they just gave Fisher a new contract, I think he's probably feeling a little heat too. All those high draft picks they've had over the last four years, since the RG3 trade, haven't translated into much success on the field.

Thinking about this more, Wentz must be the Rams choice, Otherwise I don't see the point in trading up for the #1 pick in the draft. Cleveland seems to have their heart set on Wentz, so if LA was going to take Goff they really didn't need to trade all the way up to #1 to secure him as the Titans are not going to take a QB round 1.

That's a good point, but there are a lot of teams that are desperate to find a QB, and I think it's very possible that neither Goff nor Wentz would still be available by the time the Rams picked at #15. If they're dead set on getting one of those two guys, then they'd be taking quite a chance, counting on one of them to still be there, that far down the board. I'm sure that's the way they looked at the situation. Only time will tell whether or not they were right. Either way, I still think they gave up too much. If they were already loaded with young talent, it might be different, but they're really not. They should be, with all the draft picks they've had the last few years, but they're not.

John K wrote:

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:By now, I'm sure everyone has heard about the Rams trading up to get the overall #1 pick in the draft from the Titans. Obviously they're going to take a QB, but apparently they're still undecided between Carson Wentz of NDSU and Jared Goff of Cal, although maybe leaning towards Goff at this time. As a Rams fan, I'm not sure either one of them is enough of a sure thing, to be worth all the draft picks they had to send to Tennessee. It would be cool to see an FCS guy come in and do well for them though, so I'm hoping they take Wentz. Whichever one doesn't go to LA, is likely headed to Cleveland. The Rams haven't been very successful over the last 10-12 years, but the Browns have been an absolute train wreck for pretty much the entire history of their franchise (the 2nd edition), so I'm sure both those guys are really hoping to get picked by the Rams. Plus, I'm guessing that they'd much rather live in LA, rather than Cleveland. It's a big gamble for the Rams...giving up all those draft picks. They were on the other side of a deal like this four years ago, when they traded the RG3 pick for a bunch of draft choices, although the Rams gave up even more picks in this trade, than the Redskins gave them for RG3. With the way he struggled after his first season, there's no question that they came out on the right end of that deal, even though not many of those draft picks have turned into great players. I don't know if they didn't draft very well, or if Fisher and his staff just haven't done a very good job of developing the talent they've been given.

After watching the combine I thought it was clear Goff was a more well rounded QB than Wentz, I still think Wentz is a first rounder, but if it was my choice I'd take Goff.

It seems like the consensus opinion is that Goff is probably more "pro ready' right now, but that Wentz might have a slightly better upside down the road a few years. If that's accurate, then I think they'll go with Goff. There's going to be a lot of pressure on the Rams to win right away. LA doesn't have much tolerance for losing, and even though they just gave Fisher a new contract, I think he's probably feeling a little heat too. All those high draft picks they've had over the last four years, since the RG3 trade, haven't translated into much success on the field.

Thinking about this more, Wentz must be the Rams choice, Otherwise I don't see the point in trading up for the #1 pick in the draft. Cleveland seems to have their heart set on Wentz, so if LA was going to take Goff they really didn't need to trade all the way up to #1 to secure him as the Titans are not going to take a QB round 1.

That's a good point, but there are a lot of teams that are desperate to find a QB, and I think it's very possible that neither Goff nor Wentz would still be available by the time the Rams picked at #15. If they're dead set on getting one of those two guys, then they'd be taking quite a chance, counting on one of them to still be there, that far down the board. I'm sure that's the way they looked at the situation. Only time will tell whether or not they were right. Either way, I still think they gave up too much. If they were already loaded with young talent, it might be different, but they're really not. They should be, with all the draft picks they've had the last few years, but they're not.

I could be wrong, but I think luckyirish was implying that they didn't need to jump to #1 if they want Goff and Cleveland wants Wentz. They could have (most likely) jumped to #3 or #4 and still got Goff. They probably figured that jumping to #1 and not having to hope for one to be there was their best choice though, so they took it.

blueandgoldblitz wrote:

John K wrote:

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:By now, I'm sure everyone has heard about the Rams trading up to get the overall #1 pick in the draft from the Titans. Obviously they're going to take a QB, but apparently they're still undecided between Carson Wentz of NDSU and Jared Goff of Cal, although maybe leaning towards Goff at this time. As a Rams fan, I'm not sure either one of them is enough of a sure thing, to be worth all the draft picks they had to send to Tennessee. It would be cool to see an FCS guy come in and do well for them though, so I'm hoping they take Wentz. Whichever one doesn't go to LA, is likely headed to Cleveland. The Rams haven't been very successful over the last 10-12 years, but the Browns have been an absolute train wreck for pretty much the entire history of their franchise (the 2nd edition), so I'm sure both those guys are really hoping to get picked by the Rams. Plus, I'm guessing that they'd much rather live in LA, rather than Cleveland. It's a big gamble for the Rams...giving up all those draft picks. They were on the other side of a deal like this four years ago, when they traded the RG3 pick for a bunch of draft choices, although the Rams gave up even more picks in this trade, than the Redskins gave them for RG3. With the way he struggled after his first season, there's no question that they came out on the right end of that deal, even though not many of those draft picks have turned into great players. I don't know if they didn't draft very well, or if Fisher and his staff just haven't done a very good job of developing the talent they've been given.

After watching the combine I thought it was clear Goff was a more well rounded QB than Wentz, I still think Wentz is a first rounder, but if it was my choice I'd take Goff.

It seems like the consensus opinion is that Goff is probably more "pro ready' right now, but that Wentz might have a slightly better upside down the road a few years. If that's accurate, then I think they'll go with Goff. There's going to be a lot of pressure on the Rams to win right away. LA doesn't have much tolerance for losing, and even though they just gave Fisher a new contract, I think he's probably feeling a little heat too. All those high draft picks they've had over the last four years, since the RG3 trade, haven't translated into much success on the field.

Thinking about this more, Wentz must be the Rams choice, Otherwise I don't see the point in trading up for the #1 pick in the draft. Cleveland seems to have their heart set on Wentz, so if LA was going to take Goff they really didn't need to trade all the way up to #1 to secure him as the Titans are not going to take a QB round 1.

That's a good point, but there are a lot of teams that are desperate to find a QB, and I think it's very possible that neither Goff nor Wentz would still be available by the time the Rams picked at #15. If they're dead set on getting one of those two guys, then they'd be taking quite a chance, counting on one of them to still be there, that far down the board. I'm sure that's the way they looked at the situation. Only time will tell whether or not they were right. Either way, I still think they gave up too much. If they were already loaded with young talent, it might be different, but they're really not. They should be, with all the draft picks they've had the last few years, but they're not.

I could be wrong, but I think luckyirish was implying that they didn't need to jump to #1 if they want Goff and Cleveland wants Wentz. They could have (most likely) jumped to #3 or #4 and still got Goff. They probably figured that jumping to #1 and not having to hope for one to be there was their best choice though, so they took it.

I think its a pretty weird choice. Neither Wentz nor Goff is a #1 pick (IMO). You use #1 picks on guys that are future hall of famers or big time game changers. Goff & Wentz are both legit top 10 picks, but no way you pick them #1. You have to have a screw loose to trade a future 1st round and a couple of 2nd round picks plus whatever else the Rams gave up.

Connor Cook or Paxton Lynch would have been available for sure at #15 if the Rams were that desperate for a QB. Or, a package of 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, and all the later picks ought to be enough to pry a proven QB like Drew Brees away from the Saints for one last hurrah before retirement.

Weird move for the Rams.

Jeff Fisher finally helping the Titans win games.


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blueandgoldblitz wrote:

John K wrote:

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:

luckyirishguy25 wrote:

John K wrote:By now, I'm sure everyone has heard about the Rams trading up to get the overall #1 pick in the draft from the Titans. Obviously they're going to take a QB, but apparently they're still undecided between Carson Wentz of NDSU and Jared Goff of Cal, although maybe leaning towards Goff at this time. As a Rams fan, I'm not sure either one of them is enough of a sure thing, to be worth all the draft picks they had to send to Tennessee. It would be cool to see an FCS guy come in and do well for them though, so I'm hoping they take Wentz. Whichever one doesn't go to LA, is likely headed to Cleveland. The Rams haven't been very successful over the last 10-12 years, but the Browns have been an absolute train wreck for pretty much the entire history of their franchise (the 2nd edition), so I'm sure both those guys are really hoping to get picked by the Rams. Plus, I'm guessing that they'd much rather live in LA, rather than Cleveland. It's a big gamble for the Rams...giving up all those draft picks. They were on the other side of a deal like this four years ago, when they traded the RG3 pick for a bunch of draft choices, although the Rams gave up even more picks in this trade, than the Redskins gave them for RG3. With the way he struggled after his first season, there's no question that they came out on the right end of that deal, even though not many of those draft picks have turned into great players. I don't know if they didn't draft very well, or if Fisher and his staff just haven't done a very good job of developing the talent they've been given.

After watching the combine I thought it was clear Goff was a more well rounded QB than Wentz, I still think Wentz is a first rounder, but if it was my choice I'd take Goff.

It seems like the consensus opinion is that Goff is probably more "pro ready' right now, but that Wentz might have a slightly better upside down the road a few years. If that's accurate, then I think they'll go with Goff. There's going to be a lot of pressure on the Rams to win right away. LA doesn't have much tolerance for losing, and even though they just gave Fisher a new contract, I think he's probably feeling a little heat too. All those high draft picks they've had over the last four years, since the RG3 trade, haven't translated into much success on the field.

Thinking about this more, Wentz must be the Rams choice, Otherwise I don't see the point in trading up for the #1 pick in the draft. Cleveland seems to have their heart set on Wentz, so if LA was going to take Goff they really didn't need to trade all the way up to #1 to secure him as the Titans are not going to take a QB round 1.

That's a good point, but there are a lot of teams that are desperate to find a QB, and I think it's very possible that neither Goff nor Wentz would still be available by the time the Rams picked at #15. If they're dead set on getting one of those two guys, then they'd be taking quite a chance, counting on one of them to still be there, that far down the board. I'm sure that's the way they looked at the situation. Only time will tell whether or not they were right. Either way, I still think they gave up too much. If they were already loaded with young talent, it might be different, but they're really not. They should be, with all the draft picks they've had the last few years, but they're not.

I could be wrong, but I think luckyirish was implying that they didn't need to jump to #1 if they want Goff and Cleveland wants Wentz. They could have (most likely) jumped to #3 or #4 and still got Goff. They probably figured that jumping to #1 and not having to hope for one to be there was their best choice though, so they took it.

Of course...that makes perfect sense. Not sure why I didn't get that, the first time I read it. Thanks for the clarifying that.

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Haha. That's a good one.

John K wrote:

wbtfg wrote:Jeff Fisher finally helping the Titans win games.


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Haha. That's a good one.

I really wish the Rams would have traded up for a new coach.....

RickRund wrote:

John K wrote:

wbtfg wrote:Jeff Fisher finally helping the Titans win games.


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Haha. That's a good one.

I really wish the Rams would have traded up for a new coach.....

I have a friend who is a Cowgirls fan and he wants them to draft a new GM first overall

Well the Eagles just traded up for the #2 pick, Cleveland, I assume knows that the Rams will take Wentz so they must have someone besides Goff on their radar and feel they can get him relatively cheap. Otherwise I have no clue what the Browns are thinking, they need a franchise QB something bad.

luckyirishguy25 wrote:Well the Eagles just traded up for the #2 pick, Cleveland, I assume knows that the Rams will take Wentz so they must have someone besides Goff on their radar and feel they can get him relatively cheap. Otherwise I have no clue what the Browns are thinking, they need a franchise QB something bad.

Do you still think that LA is going to take Wentz? Everything I've been hearing, is that they're leaning towards Goff. If Cleveland got anywhere near as much for the #2 pick as Tennessee got for the #1, then I'm not so sure it was a bad deal for them.

John K wrote:

luckyirishguy25 wrote:Well the Eagles just traded up for the #2 pick, Cleveland, I assume knows that the Rams will take Wentz so they must have someone besides Goff on their radar and feel they can get him relatively cheap. Otherwise I have no clue what the Browns are thinking, they need a franchise QB something bad.

Do you still think that LA is going to take Wentz? Everything I've been hearing, is that they're leaning towards Goff. If Cleveland got anywhere near as much for the #2 pick as Tennessee got for the #1, then I'm not so sure it was a bad deal for them.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15280 ... five-picks
PHILADELPHIA -- The Philadelphia Eagles have completed their journey to the No. 2 pick in the 2016 NFL draft.

The Eagles acquired the Cleveland Browns' pick Thursday with a blockbuster trade. To make this deal, the Eagles used draft picks acquired in two previous trades. Executive vice president of football operations Howie Roseman said the team had been trying to move up ever since January.

Roseman acknowledged Wednesday that the Eagles intended to take a quarterback with the No. 2 pick. The Los Angeles Rams already acquired the top overall pick from Tennessee for a slew of picks and have indicated they will take a quarterback. The Eagles will likely take either Cal's Jared Goff or North Dakota State's Carson Wentz, whichever is not taken by the Rams....

The Eagles sent five draft picks to the Browns: the No. 8 pick in the first round, a third-round pick (77th overall) and a fourth-round pick (100th overall) in this year's draft, a first-round pick in 2017 and a second-round pick in 2018. Cleveland also sends a fourth-round pick in 2017 to the Eagles.


You may be right with the Rams wanting Goff, but everything I have heard is the Browns really want Wentz, so this trade is very trivial too me, especially when you trade to a team that you know is going to take a QB...
If I were a Brown's fan I would be livid if my team passed on a franchise QB, especially it being the biggest need of the team.

If they know that Wentz is going first, and they're not too high on Goff (or vice versa), I can see trading out of #2. But that's the only way this trade makes sense for Cleveland.

91catAlum wrote:If they know that Wentz is going first, and they're not too high on Goff (or vice versa), I can see trading out of #2. But that's the only way this trade makes sense for Cleveland.

I could see that, I'm just really baffled they traded to another team that's going to take a QB. I wouldn't, but maybe that's why I'm not a NFL talent scout too.

This looks like a very weak QB draft. If I needed a QB I'd trade out of the top 5. The best QB in this draft will probably go in the third or fourth round. Also noteworthy is the quality of the teams making these trades.