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Coach Kramer climbs back on the hot-seat in 2016 even tho' his contact extends. He's 2-9, 1-10, 3-9, 8-4, 2-9 since taking the job. Another season anything like this season could be fatal. Even Earle did better.

I'm not sure anybody could find a lot of consistent success at ISU. They just have a lot of factors going against them.

SonomaCat wrote:I'm not sure anybody could find a lot of consistent success at ISU. They just have a lot of factors going against them.

Very true. When they got rid of Larry Lewis they really messed up. He is an exceptional coach, had them competitive over several seasons, had one of those 2-9 seasons where half of them just got away.... and he was gone.

They replaced Lewis with John Zamberlin who had been very successful at Central Washington. Interestingly, Zamberlin was replaced at CWU by Bo Baldwin. Zamberlin crashed and burned at ISU. Believe he's an assistant in the CFL now. Coach Kramer then came to Pocatello. 2014 was nothing short of amazing, but I don't think it's likely to show up again. I'd like to see him succeed, but like you say, there are a lot of factors in Pocatello.

PS Zamberlin was the CWU coach who beat a good Mike Kramer MSU team in 2002. That CWU team was subsequently inducted into the Wildcat HOF and the win over the Cats is considered the schools biggest win ever.

There were a lot of people on here pre and early season declaring Kramer the next coming in ISU and wanting to hire him back here. Seems no one's willing to chew on that crow. Weird.

SonomaCat wrote:I'm not sure anybody could find a lot of consistent success at ISU. They just have a lot of factors going against them.

Yes, similar to Wyoming. Some places make it very difficult to win!

gtapp wrote:

SonomaCat wrote:I'm not sure anybody could find a lot of consistent success at ISU. They just have a lot of factors going against them.

Yes, similar to Wyoming. Some places make it very difficult to win!

Wyoming has had some real success over the years particularly in the late 80's and through the 90's. Paul Roach was the HC through most of that. Joe Glenn had one decent year and Joe Tiller won a couple of conference chamionships more recently.
Coach Bohl really cleared the decks. He has just 7 seniors and an amazing 57 freshmen and redshirt freshman!!! I had to count them twice to make sure. How do you have 57 freshmen? Two huge freshmen classes, few juniors and fewer seniors. Wyoming Nation will need to be patient even next year. They are now 1-9 and most losses have not been that close.

KittieKop wrote:There were a lot of people on here pre and early season declaring Kramer the next coming in ISU and wanting to hire him back here. Seems no one's willing to chew on that crow. Weird.

why chew on crow? i still think he'd be an excellent coach here. because a coach struggles to win games at idaho state is not enough reason for me to believe he forgot how to coach.

we need a coach like kramer again to take that next step in my opinion. it'll never happen however.

but yes, i still think coach kramer is a hell of a coach.

ilovethecats wrote:

KittieKop wrote:There were a lot of people on here pre and early season declaring Kramer the next coming in ISU and wanting to hire him back here. Seems no one's willing to chew on that crow. Weird.

why chew on crow? i still think he'd be an excellent coach here. because a coach struggles to win games at idaho state is not enough reason for me to believe he forgot how to coach.

we need a coach like kramer again to take that next step in my opinion. it'll never happen however.

but yes, i still think coach kramer is a hell of a coach.

I would agree there are Kramer characteristics we need. We don't need the whole Kramer package though. I won't forget the hole that got us into.

ilovethecats wrote:

KittieKop wrote:There were a lot of people on here pre and early season declaring Kramer the next coming in ISU and wanting to hire him back here. Seems no one's willing to chew on that crow. Weird.

why chew on crow? i still think he'd be an excellent coach here. because a coach struggles to win games at idaho state is not enough reason for me to believe he forgot how to coach.

we need a coach like kramer again to take that next step in my opinion. it'll never happen however.

but yes, i still think coach kramer is a hell of a coach.

"a hell of a coach" means to me explemplary, outstanding, superior, etc, You think that's Kramer? He did not build Eastern. He took over for retired coach Zornes and left with about the same won-loss percentage. In fact, Cliff and the Bobcats beat the best team he ever had in 1997, He did do things that mattered in Bozeman, beat the griz-playoffs, but left with about the same win-loss percentage as Cliff. Cliff actually did a better job of rebuilding the Cats from total ruin (see "the Solomonson" years) than Kramer. Kramer inherited a ton of talent from Cliff. ISU remains in the toilet. I think people give him huge "style points" for his passion and loquaciouness, but it turns an equal number of people off. Ask Eastern if they'd have him back. Every coach at Eastern since Kramer has done better. And as I said, the previous coach (Zornes) did as good and maybe better. Two years up from DII at the 1AA level Zornes knocked off the eventual MSU National Championship team in 1984.
But, believe it or not, I respect your opinion. I know Kramer and respect him also. I'd love him in my fox hole, but not out in front of my platoon.

gtapp wrote:

SonomaCat wrote:I'm not sure anybody could find a lot of consistent success at ISU. They just have a lot of factors going against them.

Yes, similar to Wyoming. Some places make it very difficult to win!

All $$$ go to Boise and then to Idaho...

Bleedinbluengold wrote:

gtapp wrote:

SonomaCat wrote:I'm not sure anybody could find a lot of consistent success at ISU. They just have a lot of factors going against them.

Yes, similar to Wyoming. Some places make it very difficult to win!

All $$$ go to Boise and then to Idaho...

Yeah, that was a lot of what I was thinking about, along with image. They are largely a Mormon school in a town not known for having much in the way of a "college atmosphere," but are not one of those schools that the good Mormon athletes aspire to play for. So that environment is hard to attract a lot of non-Mormon athletes to as well (just doesn't sound like much fun for a young pup). Then you have the situation where they are the lowest rung of the 3 D-1 schools in a very small state. And then there are the facilities, etc. Kramer pulled off a mini-miracle last season but I'm not surprised that he wasn't able to sustain it -- it's just really hard for coaches over there.

Mr Lisle wrote:

ilovethecats wrote:

KittieKop wrote:There were a lot of people on here pre and early season declaring Kramer the next coming in ISU and wanting to hire him back here. Seems no one's willing to chew on that crow. Weird.

why chew on crow? i still think he'd be an excellent coach here. because a coach struggles to win games at idaho state is not enough reason for me to believe he forgot how to coach.

we need a coach like kramer again to take that next step in my opinion. it'll never happen however.

but yes, i still think coach kramer is a hell of a coach.

"a hell of a coach" means to me explemplary, outstanding, superior, etc, You think that's Kramer? He did not build Eastern. He took over for retired coach Zornes and left with about the same won-loss percentage. In fact, Cliff and the Bobcats beat the best team he ever had in 1997, He did do things that mattered in Bozeman, beat the griz-playoffs, but left with about the same win-loss percentage as Cliff. Cliff actually did a better job of rebuilding the Cats from total ruin (see "the Solomonson" years) than Kramer. Kramer inherited a ton of talent from Cliff. ISU remains in the toilet. I think people give him huge "style points" for his passion and loquaciouness, but it turns an equal number of people off. Ask Eastern if they'd have him back. Every coach at Eastern since Kramer has done better. And as I said, the previous coach (Zornes) did as good and maybe better. Two years up from DII at the 1AA level Zornes knocked off the eventual MSU National Championship team in 1984.
But, believe it or not, I respect your opinion. I know Kramer and respect him also. I'd love him in my fox hole, but not out in front of my platoon.

You guys really ought to watch all the Kramer interviews from this year's season. This was the first team at ISU that was entirely his. After every loss, and some wins, he couldn't throw them under the bus fast enough. I've never seen such an awful display from a head coach. He called them uncoachable, accused them of intentionally messing up plays - it was pathetic. Does that really sound like good head coach material? I guess if you want an overgrown child to throw tantrums and bully players he's your man.

I used our road trip down there to update the Holt Arena page at Stadiumjourney.com, including lots of pictures: http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/holt-arena-s1413 I'm not sure if their dome helps them or hurts them...but I'm thinking it hurts. It's too bad-the Holt Arena location would really be quite nice for an outdoor stadium.

I'm currently working on a new page for the Metra-stay tuned.

BelgradeBobcat wrote:I used our road trip down there to update the Holt Arena page at Stadiumjourney.com, including lots of pictures: http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/holt-arena-s1413 I'm not sure if their dome helps them or hurts them...but I'm thinking it hurts. It's too bad-the Holt Arena location would really be quite nice for an outdoor stadium.

I'm currently working on a new page for the Metra-stay tuned.

You should be there when they have a full house and hand out noise-makers. It's comical to listen to the announcer have to tell the Bengal fans every 5 minutes that the noise-makers are only for when their team is on defense. It's fitting that the team plays in a giant potato cellar - the whole crowd is about as smart as a bag of spuds.

Cheshire-CAT wrote:

BelgradeBobcat wrote:I used our road trip down there to update the Holt Arena page at Stadiumjourney.com, including lots of pictures: http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/holt-arena-s1413 I'm not sure if their dome helps them or hurts them...but I'm thinking it hurts. It's too bad-the Holt Arena location would really be quite nice for an outdoor stadium.

I'm currently working on a new page for the Metra-stay tuned.

You should be there when they have a full house and hand out noise-makers. It's comical to listen to the announcer have to tell the Bengal fans every 5 minutes that the noise-makers are only for when their team is on defense. It's fitting that the team plays in a giant potato cellar - the whole crowd is about as smart as a bag of spuds.

A truer statement has never been uttered. I could believe when the announcer was coaching the fans before the game... that's a tradition to be proud of!!!

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getrdonecat wrote:

Cheshire-CAT wrote:

BelgradeBobcat wrote:I used our road trip down there to update the Holt Arena page at Stadiumjourney.com, including lots of pictures: http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/holt-arena-s1413 I'm not sure if their dome helps them or hurts them...but I'm thinking it hurts. It's too bad-the Holt Arena location would really be quite nice for an outdoor stadium.

I'm currently working on a new page for the Metra-stay tuned.

You should be there when they have a full house and hand out noise-makers. It's comical to listen to the announcer have to tell the Bengal fans every 5 minutes that the noise-makers are only for when their team is on defense. It's fitting that the team plays in a giant potato cellar - the whole crowd is about as smart as a bag of spuds.

A truer statement has never been uttered. I could believe when the announcer was coaching the fans before the game... that's a tradition to be proud of!!!

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You obviously were not in the stands when Cliff Hysell started. A lot of our fans needed coaching.

allcat wrote:

getrdonecat wrote:

Cheshire-CAT wrote:

BelgradeBobcat wrote:I used our road trip down there to update the Holt Arena page at Stadiumjourney.com, including lots of pictures: http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/holt-arena-s1413 I'm not sure if their dome helps them or hurts them...but I'm thinking it hurts. It's too bad-the Holt Arena location would really be quite nice for an outdoor stadium.

I'm currently working on a new page for the Metra-stay tuned.

You should be there when they have a full house and hand out noise-makers. It's comical to listen to the announcer have to tell the Bengal fans every 5 minutes that the noise-makers are only for when their team is on defense. It's fitting that the team plays in a giant potato cellar - the whole crowd is about as smart as a bag of spuds.

A truer statement has never been uttered. I could believe when the announcer was coaching the fans before the game... that's a tradition to be proud of!!!

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You obviously were not in the stands when Cliff Hysell started. A lot of our fans needed coaching.

Yes I was in the stands. All of college football has evolved. I am referring to ISU in 2014.

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One weakness that Kramer does not learn from is his disdain for special teams. We were 0-11, because we had a field goal blocked and run back for a td. His Bengals would have been a lot more respectable, if not for the same reason. Without Lulay's roll punts, we never had a punt game when he was here.

getrdonecat wrote:

allcat wrote:

getrdonecat wrote:

Cheshire-CAT wrote:

BelgradeBobcat wrote:I used our road trip down there to update the Holt Arena page at Stadiumjourney.com, including lots of pictures: http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/holt-arena-s1413 I'm not sure if their dome helps them or hurts them...but I'm thinking it hurts. It's too bad-the Holt Arena location would really be quite nice for an outdoor stadium.

I'm currently working on a new page for the Metra-stay tuned.

You should be there when they have a full house and hand out noise-makers. It's comical to listen to the announcer have to tell the Bengal fans every 5 minutes that the noise-makers are only for when their team is on defense. It's fitting that the team plays in a giant potato cellar - the whole crowd is about as smart as a bag of spuds.

A truer statement has never been uttered. I could believe when the announcer was coaching the fans before the game... that's a tradition to be proud of!!!

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You obviously were not in the stands when Cliff Hysell started. A lot of our fans needed coaching.

Yes I was in the stands. All of college football has evolved. I am referring to ISU in 2014.

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I was in the stands at the Hysell start as well, but that was 20 years ago.

Mr Lisle wrote: Kramer inherited a ton of talent from Cliff.

He inherited a team that went 0-11 in his first season as coach. I'll give Kramer credit in that he had just as much a roster rebuild project as Hysell had when Cliff took over.