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... and then gets his suspension lifted. He won't miss a game. HORRIBLE move, coach Spack!!!

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91catAlum wrote:... and then gets his suspension lifted. He won't miss a game. HORRIBLE move, coach Spack!!!

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Of course, what he did is the equivalent of selling an adult a couple cases of beer in a dry county.

I suspect the days of people freaking out about pot are coming to an end, especially since it's going to become legal in more and more places over the coming years. This light punishment may well be a reflection of that reality.

Bay Area Cat wrote:

91catAlum wrote:... and then gets his suspension lifted. He won't miss a game. HORRIBLE move, coach Spack!!!

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Of course, what he did is the equivalent of selling an adult a couple cases of beer in a dry county.

I suspect the days of people freaking out about pot are coming to an end, especially since it's going to become legal in more and more places over the coming years. This light punishment may well be a reflection of that reality.

Not sure who's freaking out... but the kid deserves, at a minimum, a suspension of some kind. Plenty of kids are permanently booted off college football teams just for testing positive for marijuana (including Montana State in very recent seasons). This kid didn't just test positive, or just get caught in possession - he sold drugs to an undercover cop... and he won't miss a game. Are you really OK with this, and college football players in general getting caught selling drugs and not missing any games?

I don't have a copy but I'm guessing that selling drugs violates the ISU student-athlete code of conduct in some way... What this does is tell the kids on that team that if you're a good enough player, you don't have to obey the rules; you can do whatever you want and there will be no consequences. It's a very bad precedent for this coach to set.

Just for comparison's sake, what do you think Coach Ash would do if he had a player plead guilty to selling drugs? The player would not be slapped on the wrist or even suspended - he'd be off the team.

Meh. It's a victimless crime. I'm one of those people who doesn't think that victimless crimes should be crimes at all.

Reminds me of a lyric from an Everclear song, "did some time for selling acid to the wrong guy." That's where I am from a moral standpoint on this. He didn't commit an evil, he made the mistake of not knowing his customer well enough

BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote:Meh. It's a victimless crime. I'm one of those people who doesn't think that victimless crimes should be crimes at all.

Reminds me of a lyric from an Everclear song, "did some time for selling acid to the wrong guy." That's where I am from a moral standpoint on this. He didn't commit an evil, he made the mistake of not knowing his customer well enough

Ok get rid of the law. If it is on the books, it should be enforced. The kid should pay a price for Knowingly breaking the law. Usually people regret getting caught, not doing the crime, This kid is not even going to regret getting caught.

BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote:Meh. It's a victimless crime. I'm one of those people who doesn't think that victimless crimes should be crimes at all.

Reminds me of a lyric from an Everclear song, "did some time for selling acid to the wrong guy." That's where I am from a moral standpoint on this. He didn't commit an evil, he made the mistake of not knowing his customer well enough

I totally agree with you on this! Asinine laws that vary from state to state and selling this amount to an "undercover cop" in Illinois is about as ridiculous as Montana sending the alcohol enforcement teams out from bar to bar to see if some dumbass bartender serves an underage kid. Write a law that requires proof of age for each and every alcohol sale and you wouldn't be wasting law enforcement time and resources.

allcat wrote:

BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote:Meh. It's a victimless crime. I'm one of those people who doesn't think that victimless crimes should be crimes at all.

Reminds me of a lyric from an Everclear song, "did some time for selling acid to the wrong guy." That's where I am from a moral standpoint on this. He didn't commit an evil, he made the mistake of not knowing his customer well enough

Ok get rid of the law. If it is on the books, it should be enforced. The kid should pay a price for Knowingly breaking the law. Usually people regret getting caught, not doing the crime, This kid is not even going to regret getting caught.

And what if his crime would have been buying a couple beers for a friend who happened to be a minor? Suspension? Better or worse than the weed?

Come on guys. Aren't players and coaches supposed be representatives of the school? Is this the type of person you want your children to look up to? A drug dealer??? I wouldn't want my kid playing for this school. If I was an alumni, I would be embarrassed at the lack of discipline!

What would happen if he was a N Colorado player??? No arrest


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Cataholic wrote:Is this the type of person you want your children to look up to? A drug dealer???

Depends on the drug dealer. Cartel dealers are murderous criminals and I have no regard for them. Guys who sell out of dispensaries and head shops are just businessmen who give the people what they would buy from cartel dealers if they didn't have a more respectable option. Then there's a whole spectrum in between those people. A college football player is probably not equivalent to the most honest of the businessmen nor the most thuggish of cartel soldiers. On average, probably a college kid looking for the easiest summer job he can find.

In that case, I'd say he's a better role model than any politician, most people on Wall Street, and a significant fraction of cops.

BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote:

Cataholic wrote:Is this the type of person you want your children to look up to? A drug dealer???

Depends on the drug dealer. Cartel dealers are murderous criminals and I have no regard for them. Guys who sell out of dispensaries and head shops are just businessmen who give the people what they would buy from cartel dealers if they didn't have a more respectable option. Then there's a whole spectrum in between those people. A college football player is probably not equivalent to the most honest of the businessmen nor the most thuggish of cartel soldiers. On average, probably a college kid looking for the easiest summer job he can find.

In that case, I'd say he's a better role model than any politician, most people on Wall Street, and a significant fraction of cops.

I don't have a problem with this, except the last sentence. I think most people on Wall Street are ethical, with a good portion being otherwise. And while some cops are not good, I think your use of significant fraction makes it sound like a big number, I actually think most are very ethical.

He pleaded guilty to a felony, doesn't even have to miss a practice, and people are OK with it?

I kind of wish I had parents like those excusing this felony, but then again, I'm glad I didn't. If Ash didn't at least sit a player for a game who pleaded guilty to any felony, I'd be upset at Ash.

ISU's coach reminds me a bit of what was allowed in Missoula during the Hauck/Pflugrad days, where problems just "went away" and players were allowed to keep playing. Look what that approach got UM, and look what that approach got MSU during the latter days of Kramer. People do still remember how players/ex-players/coaches with drugs made MSU a national joke, right?

Kind of an eGriz-esque thread here from ISU fans.

Apparently Coprich is married and has a kid. Does that change anyone's mind about him being a drug-selling felon? There are better ways to make a buck, and I highly doubt this is the first time he's sold pot. Imagine that, the star RB at a very good FCS school is a drug dealer, and some MSU fans, knowing our own school's issues with drugs, excuse the behavior.

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77matcat wrote:What would happen if he was a N Colorado player??? No arrest

Only if he was a state-licensed pot dealer. Legalization isn't for the black market. It's for tax revenue. One month to go here in Oregon before our pot shops open. There is one 5 minutes from my house.

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77matcat wrote:What would happen if he was a N Colorado player??? No arrest

Only if he was a state-licensed pot dealer. Legalization isn't for the black market. It's for tax revenue. One month to go here in Oregon before our pot shops open. There is one 5 minutes from my house.

Yep, his act of selling pot to an adult without a license is just as morally wrong as somebody selling an adult several cases of beer without the proper license. It was dumb for him to do that.

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If it's not a crime there, then of course no arrest. But then there'd be no money in it either... so in Colorado, he'd either have been a perfect choir boy because selling pot is perfectly legal and that's all he wanted to do was sell a little weed... Or he would have been selling something else illegal that brings in fast easy bucks.

It's interesting to me that if a kid gets suspended for bad grades, people might feel bad for him but nobody suggests he get to stay on the team... But everyone defends a kid who won't miss a game for pleading guilty to selling drugs, a felony in Illinois.

Bay Area Cat wrote:
Yep, his act of selling pot to an adult without a license is just as morally wrong as somebody selling an adult several cases of beer without the proper license. It was dumb for him to do that.

Except that pot is still illegal to possess in Illinois as an adult, while alcohol isn't. Plus, Coprich is only 20 years-old, so even if he were selling alcohol, he'd be in violation of the law.

In OR/WA/CO, you have to be 21 to possess alcohol. So Coprich was not only dealing drugs, but he was possessing them illegally. Your defense of Coprich dealing drugs isn't a surprise to me, either, BAC.

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77matcat wrote:What would happen if he was a N Colorado player??? No arrest


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If it's not a crime there, then of course no arrest. But then there'd be no money in it either... so in Colorado, he'd either have been a perfect choir boy because selling pot is perfectly legal and that's all he wanted to do was sell a little weed... Or he would have been selling something else illegal that brings in fast easy bucks.

It's interesting to me that if a kid gets suspended for bad grades, people might feel bad for him but nobody suggests he get to stay on the team... But everyone defends a kid who won't miss a game for pleading guilty to selling drugs, a felony in Illinois.

WRONG WRONG WRONG. You can't sell pot without being licensed (and taxed) by the state in OR/WA/CO. You have to be 21 as well to "serve/pour" pot or alcohol in those states, too.

I expect massive crackdowns by police on unlicensed distributors here in Oregon. They sell their product for up to half of what "licensed" dealers sell it for. The pot legalization game is just another tax stream, and well-funded rich people will back licensees. There is a lot of money to be made, both for rich VCs and the state governments.

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91catAlum wrote:

77matcat wrote:What would happen if he was a N Colorado player??? No arrest


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If it's not a crime there, then of course no arrest. But then there'd be no money in it either... so in Colorado, he'd either have been a perfect choir boy because selling pot is perfectly legal and that's all he wanted to do was sell a little weed... Or he would have been selling something else illegal that brings in fast easy bucks.

It's interesting to me that if a kid gets suspended for bad grades, people might feel bad for him but nobody suggests he get to stay on the team... But everyone defends a kid who won't miss a game for pleading guilty to selling drugs, a felony in Illinois.

WRONG WRONG WRONG. You can't sell pot without being licensed (and taxed) by the state in OR/WA/CO. You have to be 21 as well to "serve/pour" pot or alcohol in those states, too.

I expect massive crackdowns by police on unlicensed distributors here in Oregon. They sell their product for up to half of what "licensed" dealers sell it for. The pot legalization game is just another tax stream, and well-funded rich people will back licensees. There is a lot of money to be made, both for rich VCs and the state governments.

I said IF it's not a crime... IF IF IF.

The point was that he was selling illegal substance for fast easy money, and would have been doing the same thing in Colorado whether it was pot or something else.

91catAlum wrote:
The point was that he was selling illegal substance for fast easy money, and would have been doing the same thing in Colorado whether it was pot or something else.

I agree with you. My consternation is with the BACs of this thread who are comparing apples to oranges in terms of a guilty plea for a felony.

A UNC player without state certification and licensing would also be committing a crime. I'm just trying to educate people, and it's difficult when the BACs of this board try to muddle the actual facts, for whatever reason.