Anyone else heard about this??

[Norsky19]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/book ... /23122787/

Wow....can't believe this stuff is still going on over there. This author just stirring things up again to sell books? Who is the target audience for a book like this? I mean, how many man hating feminists are there? Weren't these issues settled in a court of law?

[coachouert]

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=32920

[Norsky19]

The usatoday article is Feb of this year....looks like it's been drudged up again.....

I know I won't read it. I'll leave it up to you eager BNers to summarize for me. Besides, I only like picture books.

[SonomaCat]

I mean, how many man hating feminists are there? Weren't these issues settled in a court of law?

I'm pretty sure a lot of people beyond the population of "man hating feminists" are concerned about, and would be interested in reading about, accusations of rape.

I'll probably read it just to see if any additional relevant information has been discovered by his research. Of course, given how long it takes me to get around to buying and reading books I'm sure I'll hear/see a summary of what's in the book from others first, so if they say there is no relevant substance to the book, then I will skip it.

And please don't post stuff on the Bobcat board that has nothing (thankfully!) to do with Bobcat football.

[33MONTEBOSTON33]

Being a former Missoulian for 20 years but my blood is blue/gold, I have been enjoying this article and many Missoulian people for about 2 weeks now..

It is a book by Jon Krakauer, world renowned and respected author. It has managed to stir up a hornets nest for sure!!!

If you go to Facebook and search for "I Remember Missoula when...." and then scroll through you hit the link on this forum/book. There was also an article in yesterdays newspaper online at the top headline, Missoulian.com.

Book is being released in April. Now there is suspicion of great cover ups by Pflugrad, ODay and Engstrom and now the High Commissioner in Helena over ruled a kangaroo court from UM and Presidential edict for expulsion of Jordie Johnson, former Griz QB. There are also reports of police and prosecutorial coverups, misconduct and lack of evidence. Then there are stories of other students fleeing the country (USA) to avoid prosecution.

Read the articles. It should be a great book. People have a right to know about all of this ****. Goes on everywhere on campus. Even MSU. Good reading.

[Anacomando]

Krakauer has a cult following and has written excellent books ranging from Chris McCandless (Into the Wild), Under the Banner of Heaven (Mormonism), Where Men Win Glory (Pat Tillman story), and now Missoula.....just wait it will blow people's minds...The U of M are claiming that "he didn't interview anyone at the University...." the fact is that the University didn't allow anyone to be interviewed. Game Changer!

[El Griz]

Krakauer has a cult following and has written excellent books ranging from Chris McCandless (Into the Wild), Under the Banner of Heaven (Mormonism), Where Men Win Glory (Pat Tillman story), and now Missoula.....just wait it will blow people's minds...The U of M are claiming that "he didn't interview anyone at the University...." the fact is that the University didn't allow anyone to be interviewed. Game Changer!

As stated in posts above you. There is probably a problem with rapes on campus across the U.S., including MSU. Why would it blow peoples mind that a University such as U of M or MSU would not talk to Kracker? With his reputation I am sure legal council for either university would not allow it. Also, your fact is wrong. Kracker did not attempt to interview the higher ups at the university. He only asked the courts to release documents.

It is so far appearing that he has got most of his information from alleged accusers and thier surrounding support groups.

The book may very well appeal to a Kracker cult. If you are truly interested, read the book but also read pages 10 and 11 of the thread on egriz.com. There are some very, very good truths on those pages that should be taken in context along with reading the book.

[Norsky19]

I would argue that it indirectly has to do with Bobcat football and I think that the hiring of Coach Ash is also related. One of his best attributes is running a tight ship and (hopefully) recruiting quality kids to avoid what is happening in Missoula. I will retract my "feminist" comment...I suppose that was flippant. I guess I'm suspicious of any author getting involved....trying to sell books. Then again, where there is smoke......

[Doc3kgt]

FTG. That "university" and all of their arrogant sh!t heel fans deserve all the bad press they can get. Get some Krackauer!

[FTG06']

Krakauer has a cult following and has written excellent books ranging from Chris McCandless (Into the Wild), Under the Banner of Heaven (Mormonism), Where Men Win Glory (Pat Tillman story), and now Missoula.....just wait it will blow people's minds...The U of M are claiming that "he didn't interview anyone at the University...." the fact is that the University didn't allow anyone to be interviewed. Game Changer!

egriz.com.

truths.

I haven't read the pages you speak of (nor do I plan to), but taking anything off of a fan forum run by fans as complete truth is ignorant.

Krackauer writes pithy controversial books to make money. He is born from the same media machine that feeds us all bull**** and calls it fact. If you want facts anymore, you have to go find them yourself.


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[KittieKop]

Being a former Missoulian for 20 years but my blood is blue/gold, I have been enjoying this article and many Missoulian people for about 2 weeks now..

It is a book by Jon Krakauer, world renowned and respected author. It has managed to stir up a hornets nest for sure!!!

If you go to Facebook and search for "I Remember Missoula when...." and then scroll through you hit the link on this forum/book. There was also an article in yesterdays newspaper online at the top headline, Missoulian.com.

Book is being released in April. Now there is suspicion of great cover ups by Pflugrad, ODay and Engstrom and now the High Commissioner in Helena over ruled a kangaroo court from UM and Presidential edict for expulsion of Jordie Johnson, former Griz QB. There are also reports of police and prosecutorial coverups, misconduct and lack of evidence. Then there are stories of other students fleeing the country (USA) to avoid prosecution.

Read the articles. It should be a great book. People have a right to know about all of this ****. Goes on everywhere on campus. Even MSU. Good reading.

I don't think anything you allude to here is news. It was all part of the crap storm that happened when all this came out. Its the reason Pflu was fired. Johnson was "expelled" then let back into the university, Its well publicized that the UM Police, Missoula Police and Missoula County Attorney all had it out with the US Justice Department, threatened with a consent decree and ultimately agreed to a huge list of training and procedural changes (which sparked a lot of changes across the state related to SA handling). And the case of the Saudi (??) student who fled the country after being advised of the investigation into him (which was a major screw up) is also well known public information.

If that's all Krakauer is rehashing, nothing new under the sun. Though I doubt that, or else he wouldn't have sold the book idea to a publisher.

[SonomaCat]

Being a former Missoulian for 20 years but my blood is blue/gold, I have been enjoying this article and many Missoulian people for about 2 weeks now..

It is a book by Jon Krakauer, world renowned and respected author. It has managed to stir up a hornets nest for sure!!!

If you go to Facebook and search for "I Remember Missoula when...." and then scroll through you hit the link on this forum/book. There was also an article in yesterdays newspaper online at the top headline, Missoulian.com.

Book is being released in April. Now there is suspicion of great cover ups by Pflugrad, ODay and Engstrom and now the High Commissioner in Helena over ruled a kangaroo court from UM and Presidential edict for expulsion of Jordie Johnson, former Griz QB. There are also reports of police and prosecutorial coverups, misconduct and lack of evidence. Then there are stories of other students fleeing the country (USA) to avoid prosecution.

Read the articles. It should be a great book. People have a right to know about all of this ****. Goes on everywhere on campus. Even MSU. Good reading.

I don't think anything you allude to here is news. It was all part of the crap storm that happened when all this came out. Its the reason Pflu was fired. Johnson was "expelled" then let back into the university, Its well publicized that the UM Police, Missoula Police and Missoula County Attorney all had it out with the US Justice Department, threatened with a consent decree and ultimately agreed to a huge list of training and procedural changes (which sparked a lot of changes across the state related to SA handling). And the case of the Saudi (??) student who fled the country after being advised of the investigation into him (which was a major screw up) is also well known public information.

If that's all Krakauer is rehashing, nothing new under the sun. Though I doubt that, or else he wouldn't have sold the book idea to a publisher.

It could be a rehashing and still get sold, I would guess. Few people outside of Montana really heard much about all of the details of it the first time around, so it could just be that he's taking the original story and using his name to give it a bit more marketing oomph to sell it to the larger national audience.

I'd hope that he has come up with more substance in order to fill a whole book, but I'd say it's also quite possible that there really won't be anything in there that we haven't already heard ... outside of a probably a lot more first person perspectives from the alleged victims.

[[cat_bracket]]

There should be some new or more detailed information for you BAC. So much attention was paid to JJ, Beau Donaldson, the Saudi guy and the girl that said she was gang raped that at least one other (might've been two) rape claim that wasn't pursued got lost in the din. It was reported in the Missoulian, but got very little attention. I wonder if Krakauer will dig into that. However, there's plenty of material in the list above. I recall Donaldson getting the same support as JJ from um fans until they recorded him confessing. Perhaps he'll give the Missoula law enforcement crew some credit for nabbing Donaldson.

Edit: This is the story that went by the wayside.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/um-foo ... 963f4.html

I think a lot of people confused this with the off-campus sexual assault that also aired on 20/20(?).

Edit: there's another story within that link on the right "Missoula police: 2nd attack..." that also went by the wayside.

[Cataholic]

Krakauer has a cult following and has written excellent books ranging from Chris McCandless (Into the Wild), Under the Banner of Heaven (Mormonism), Where Men Win Glory (Pat Tillman story), and now Missoula.....just wait it will blow people's minds...The U of M are claiming that "he didn't interview anyone at the University...." the fact is that the University didn't allow anyone to be interviewed. Game Changer!

As stated in posts above you. There is probably a problem with rapes on campus across the U.S., including MSU. Why would it blow peoples mind that a University such as U of M or MSU would not talk to Kracker? With his reputation I am sure legal council for either university would not allow it. Also, your fact is wrong. Kracker did not attempt to interview the higher ups at the university. He only asked the courts to release documents.

It is so far appearing that he has got most of his information from alleged accusers and thier surrounding support groups.

The book may very well appeal to a Kracker cult. If you are truly interested, read the book but also read pages 10 and 11 of the thread on egriz.com. There are some very, very good truths on those pages that should be taken in context along with reading the book.

Really?? Go to page 10 and 11 of egriz to find the truth???... I guess everything on egriz is true when you are wearing maroon colored glasses.... Also, how do you know Krackaur never requested an interview with UM officials? Did a friend tell you? Did you read it on egriz????

By the way, did anybody notice Jordan Johnson after Cat-Griz this year? He looked like a lost puppy with no friends. He was wandering around ALONE. Not the picture of a loved teammate and leader.... I thought it was strange.

[TomCat88]

Krakauer has a cult following and has written excellent books ranging from Chris McCandless (Into the Wild), Under the Banner of Heaven (Mormonism), Where Men Win Glory (Pat Tillman story), and now Missoula.....just wait it will blow people's minds...The U of M are claiming that "he didn't interview anyone at the University...." the fact is that the University didn't allow anyone to be interviewed. Game Changer!

As stated in posts above you. There is probably a problem with rapes on campus across the U.S., including MSU. Why would it blow peoples mind that a University such as U of M or MSU would not talk to Kracker? With his reputation I am sure legal council for either university would not allow it. Also, your fact is wrong. Kracker did not attempt to interview the higher ups at the university. He only asked the courts to release documents.

It is so far appearing that he has got most of his information from alleged accusers and thier surrounding support groups.

The book may very well appeal to a Kracker cult. If you are truly interested, read the book but also read pages 10 and 11 of the thread on egriz.com. There are some very, very good truths on those pages that should be taken in context along with reading the book.

Hard to say at this point, but I think the focus of the book isn't the number of rapes, rather how they're handled. I'm not sure every town or college doesn't handle them any differently than Missoula or UM, but how they were handled somehow got UM and Missoula in the spotlight.

It's strange and intriguing that Krakauer didn't interview school or law enforcement officials. It'll be interesting to see the exact angle he takes. He usually tries, at least, to interview everyone.