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BH is undoubtedly headed back to the frying pan. UNLV is 1-3 and has lost badly each time. The only "victory" is a 13-12 home win vs Northern Colorado.

Breaks your heart


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I KNEW we'd be talking about BH soon!

He'd better get it turned around. But I wonder how much slack UNLV will give him for losing recruits to the erroneous APR report. If I remember right it wasn't too many.

77matcat wrote:Breaks your heart


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Not surprised you would think this way lol. Most people love to see that A$$ look like one.

You guys realize that we can't make fun of the coach that once coached the team that played the team that we bought out. shame, shame.

Hawks86 wrote:You guys realize that we can't make fun of the coach that once coached the team that played the team that we bought out. shame, shame.

Would you rather talk about his record against MSU? Or number of playoff wins compared to Rob Ash? I'm game.

Mr Lisle wrote:BH is undoubtedly headed back to the frying pan. UNLV is 1-3 and has lost badly each time. The only "victory" is a 13-12 home win vs Northern Colorado.

Oh, that's a shame!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwCBYP9uJpM

Ya. Great example of the good guys finish last thing. Ahhhh wait aren't you the .......


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They aren't going to fire him. He lost a ton to graduation and the school itself f'd up their APR by not calculating it right. He just had them in a bowl game. No way he gets fired.

I don't think he'll get fired after this season...he'll definitely get at least one more year, after their relatively successful season last year. However, it does bring up the question...was last season just an aberration, or will this season turn out to be just a speed bump, on the path to respectability?

I have no ax to grind with Bobby Hauck in any way. He took over a great football program as his first head coaching job and kept it great. My interest in watching this is one of something like morbid curiosity. UNLV didn't start playing foottball until 1968 and essentially came into being on the checkbooks of the Vegas strip performers. Most of them came from southern California they and wanted a major college football program in town. In 1978 they went division 1 and had, at the time, maybe one of the finest college football coaches no body remembers. Tony Knap was the Godfather of Boise State football. He was their first coach after the program converted from a JC and he created an force immediately. He moved on to UNLV in the mid-70's and was the only coach that had anything like big time success going 51-24-2 in 7 years. He retired and what followed was a long line of coaches who would occasionally have a good season or two, but nothing sustained. They even hired the great John Robinson who had won more that 80% of the time at USC, taking them to a national championship, but he didn't come close at UNLV. By now the celebs who had put the thing together had either moved on or were dead. Maybe Butte native, Sam Jankovich, expressed it best. While AD at Miami (FL) he became friends with one of the main program supporters. Years later the supporter owned the Las Vegas Gladiators arena team and talked Sam out of retirement, asking him to come to Vegas and turn the failing program around. Jankovich wasn't there long and left saying something like, Las Vegas has no interest in football, it's there for a whole other reason. Maybe he was trying to say Vegas is about a whole 'nuther type of tailgating.
So now comes Bobby Hauck. The prior...terminated coach had back-to-back 5-7 seasons...not bad considering. I believe they had four consecutive two win seasons prior to that. If Bobby wins 5 games he is probably safe. Four or less...not so much. Here's what I think. I think he may have made a huge mistake. The track he was on at Montana could have taken him to the big time. His bio was great...stops at successful (at the time) Colorado, Washington and an 80% + winning record at FCS powerhouse Montana. A reputation as an amazing recruiter. I hope his ego didn't get in the way when Vegas came calling. It could be a huge setback.

I thought it was a bad choice for him to go to UNLV, a coaching graveyard. He could've held out for better football schools that pay the same or better than UNLV, it seems to me.

But that said, it's gotta be hard for any of us to turn down a 350% raise for the same job at a different company, right?

JDoub wrote:I thought it was a bad choice for him to go to UNLV, a coaching graveyard. He could've held out for better football schools that pay the same or better than UNLV, it seems to me.

But that said, it's gotta be hard for any of us to turn down a 350% raise for the same job at a different company, right?

That's what I thought his thinking was when he went to UNLV. Got a couple kids headed for college in a few years. Here's a ticket that should make me a millionaire if I can make it at least three seasons. Should I hold out for something better that isn't so daunting? What if it never happens? I probably would've made the choice. He was relatively young for a head coach when he made the jump. He's still got a few years to bounce down and then back up again.

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Hawks86 wrote:You guys realize that we can't make fun of the coach that once coached the team that played the team that we bought out. shame, shame.

Would you rather talk about his record against MSU? Or number of playoff wins compared to Rob Ash? I'm game.

Don't really care how many wins the guy had. He was a slimeball, didn't belong in Montana anymore. He was the John Calipari of football.


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JDoub wrote:I thought it was a bad choice for him to go to UNLV, a coaching graveyard. He could've held out for better football schools that pay the same or better than UNLV, it seems to me.

But that said, it's gotta be hard for any of us to turn down a 350% raise for the same job at a different company, right?

Not only the raise in base salary, but when one factors in the defined benefits when comparing Montana's TRS pension plan to Nevada, Wyoming or virtually any other state, you can't fault him for going. Montana accrues at 1.6666 percent annually and it's the average of your highest three consecutive years versus even Wyoming is 2.15 percent for the first 15 years (you're fully vested after 4 years) and you can then purchase up to eight years. At 15 years, I believe it jumps to 2.25 percent and you can purchase ghost years up to eight years. So basically, you can roll over your 403b, IRA, and out of state plans and have an annuity in five or ten years equivalent to what you'd have to work 40 years in Montana to achieve as Max Stark did in just five years in Alaska.

When I started this my only point was how I felt Bobby left an incredible program...for what???? I don't know what he was making at Montana. $250,000 all in? Maybe less. But if he was looking for money, or celebrity, or an opportunity to build a winner, or continue to build his resume, or darn near anything I can think of, he made a bad decision. Maybe he just loves Las Vegas. Maybe he loves the weather. It can't have been about the money or rebuilding a once proud program. The money FBS coaches in general are paid is astounding. In a few conferences they might possibly deserve more, maybe. Here's a quick 2013 salary rundown:

#1 Nick Saban, Alabama, pre potential bonus, $5,545,852.
#5 Bob Stoops, Oklahoma, PB, $4,773,167
#40 Mike Leach, Washington State, PB $2,250,000
#57 Bill Cutcliffe, Duke, PB, $1,792,285$619,
#69 Ruffin McNeill, East Carolina, PB, $1,150,000
#86 Bill Blankenship, Tulsa, PB, $619,549
#93 Trent Miles, Georgia State, PB $510,000
#94 Bobby Hauck, UNLV, PB, $503,749.

In between 1&94 are programs who do compensate above $504K:
Memphis $956,779
Western Kentucky
Arkansas State $724,597
Middle Tennessee
Marshall
Eighty-one more

In fact, assistants make a bunch:
#1 Chad Morris, Clemson, $1,309,650
Brent Pease, Florida, $600,000
#38, Josh Henson, Missouri, $510,000

Better options were coming for sure. He jumped too soon.

He was trying to leave quite a while before he did. He applied for the Stanford job when Harbaugh got it.

I think the fact that he went to UNLV shows he wasn't getting looked at by bigger and better. And I think that shows how much "respect" he has in the coaching circles.

Agree


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I happened to google UNLV to see if Hauck's fluky karma-Houdini act from last year was finally over. I see they're 1-5 now, after being blown out by 2-3 San Jose State. I can't say I'm shocked or displeased.