Texas Expectations

allcat · Post by **allcat** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:32 pm

This would never fly at Florida State.

GRIZFNZ · Post by **GRIZFNZ** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:51 pm

I like it and would have no reservations about sending my son or daughter to play for and be mentored by an individual who has such expectations for his players. It's unfortunate that common sense, integrity and respect require an "expectations policy" these days.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:34 pm

No guns???!!!!!

In terms of growth as a student-athlete, I personally think the "live together/eat together/hang out together, etc." stuff goes a bit too far. You don't want these guys living in a bubble. Ideally, you do want them to develop socially and allow them to learn about other people (even people who aren't elite football players) with different interests and persectives to fullest extent possible. That's one of the best, and most useful, things most people get out of attending college.

Most of the rest of it sounds okay, though, if enforced within reason.

LongTimeCatFan · Post by **LongTimeCatFan** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:43 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:No guns???!!!!!

In terms of growth as a student-athlete, I personally think the "live together/eat together/hang out together, etc." stuff goes a bit too far. You don't want these guys living in a bubble. Ideally, you do want them to develop socially and allow them to learn about other people with different interests and persectives to fullest extent possible. That's one of the best things most of us get out of college.

Most of the rest of it sounds okay, though, if enforced within reason.

You can't have a hand gun legally until you are 21 and it'd be pretty hard to conceal a long gun. In Montana, you can't "carry" on campus. I think the same applies in TX. He could have just said follow the law, but sometimes redundancy is appropriate.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:18 pm

It doesn't look like he was just talking about on-campus stuff -- he just said "no guns." It appears that he means that he doesn't want his players around guns, period. Along with "no stealing" and "no drugs."

You can legally buy and own a handgun at age 18 in Texas.

LongTimeCatFan · Post by **LongTimeCatFan** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:36 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:It doesn't look like he was just talking about on-campus stuff -- he just said "no guns." It appears that he means that he doesn't want his players around guns, period. Along with "no stealing" and "no drugs."

You can legally buy and own a handgun at age 18 in Texas.

Still, I don't really have a problem with it. The players have the right to choose not to accept the scholarship.

LongTimeCatFan · Post by **LongTimeCatFan** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:30 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
You can legally buy and own a handgun at age 18 in Texas.

Simply for clarification:

That may be true, but it's also true that you can't carry it legally unless you are 21.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:39 pm

So it's legal for anyone playing for Texas to own a handgun, and it's legal for those who play for Texas who are 21 to have a concealed weapons permit. But its against team rules for any Texas players to do either.

Is that a good summary?

LongTimeCatFan · Post by **LongTimeCatFan** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:02 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:So it's legal for anyone playing for Texas to own a handgun, and it's legal for those who play for Texas who are 21 to have a concealed weapons permit. But its against team rules for any Texas players to do either.

Is that a good summary?

Pretty close...

Can't carry on campus.

And I'm not sure if it's against team rules to own a gun and have a concealed weapons permit. You probably could leave the gun(s) at home with your parents. Ya just can't bring it/them to school with ya. And since you have to live on campus now, and state law prohibits possession of a gun on campus, it's seems as I said in my first post, redundant. And as I also stated earlier, kids that age need redundancy sometimes.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:57 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:In terms of growth as a student-athlete, I personally think the "live together/eat together/hang out together, etc." stuff goes a bit too far. You don't want these guys living in a bubble. Ideally, you do want them to develop socially and allow them to learn about other people (even people who aren't elite football players) with different interests and persectives to fullest extent possible. That's one of the best, and most useful, things most people get out of attending college.

I would think this would apply to Football season only (August thru December/January). I like it; nothing wrong with instilling a bit of discipline in student-atheletes, some of whom have never experienced it.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:19 pm

LongTimeCatFan wrote:Can't carry on campus.

And I'm not sure if it's against team rules to own a gun and have a concealed weapons permit. You probably could leave the gun(s) at home with your parents. Ya just can't bring it/them to school with ya. And since you have to live on campus now, and state law prohibits possession of a gun on campus, it's seems as I said in my first post, redundant. And as I also stated earlier, kids that age need redundancy sometimes.

I'm pretty sure his point is that he doesn't want any players having anything to do with any guns at any time as long as they are members of the football team. So it's not really redundant. He's proactively telling them that they can't do something that is otherwise legal. He obviously considers any contact with guns to be bad news for people that age.

LongTimeCatFan · Post by **LongTimeCatFan** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:29 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
LongTimeCatFan wrote:Can't carry on campus.

And I'm not sure if it's against team rules to own a gun and have a concealed weapons permit. You probably could leave the gun(s) at home with your parents. Ya just can't bring it/them to school with ya. And since you have to live on campus now, and state law prohibits possession of a gun on campus, it's seems as I said in my first post, redundant. And as I also stated earlier, kids that age need redundancy sometimes.
I'm pretty sure his point is that he doesn't want any players having anything to do with any guns at any time as long as they are members of the football team. So it's not really redundant. He's proactively telling them that they can't do something that is otherwise legal. He obviously considers any contact with guns to be bad news for people that age.

I HIGHLY DOUBT that is his actual intent. Texas is a state with strong hunting roots and very pro second amendment.

That last sentence is YOUR opinion and yours alone. It has very little to do with the actual opinion of this coach.

Since it's coupled within a rule that bans other illegal activity, it's a fair assumption that he's also referring to illegal activity related to guns.

It would be pretty silly for someone in Texas or Montana to say you can't own a gun if you want to be on the football team. And it doesn't say that so I'm not sure why you are interpreting it that way.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:00 pm

LongTimeCatFan wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
LongTimeCatFan wrote:Can't carry on campus.

And I'm not sure if it's against team rules to own a gun and have a concealed weapons permit. You probably could leave the gun(s) at home with your parents. Ya just can't bring it/them to school with ya. And since you have to live on campus now, and state law prohibits possession of a gun on campus, it's seems as I said in my first post, redundant. And as I also stated earlier, kids that age need redundancy sometimes.
I'm pretty sure his point is that he doesn't want any players having anything to do with any guns at any time as long as they are members of the football team. So it's not really redundant. He's proactively telling them that they can't do something that is otherwise legal. He obviously considers any contact with guns to be bad news for people that age.
I HIGHLY DOUBT that is his actual intent. Texas is a state with strong hunting roots and very pro second amendment.

That last sentence is YOUR opinion and yours alone. It has very little to do with the actual opinion of this coach.

Since it's coupled within a rule that bans other illegal activity, it's a fair assumption that he's also referring to illegal activity related to guns.

It would be pretty silly for someone in Texas or Montana to say you can't own a gun if you want to be on the football team. And it doesn't say that so I'm not sure why you are interpreting it that way.

Okay. If one of the Texas players tells Strong that he has a bunch of guns at a friends' house off-campus (or his own off-campus house, if he's allowed to live off-campus), you're saying that Strong won't care at all. I, however, read the rule to mean that a player in that situation would be in deep trouble with Strong.

The rule seemed pretty straight-forward to me, but apparently you know all of the exceptions that Strong implied, but had no interest in writing down. He could have added "on campus" if he simply meant "no guns on campus" or "no illegal guns" or something along those lines. Instead, he opted for an all-encompassing "no guns" statement.

And no, the last sentence is not my opinion. If you want to know MY opinion, just ask me instead of making up stuff as per usual. As you may have noticed, I'm not the one who issued a simple "no guns" rule to his team (yes, in the state of Texas) in the same line as "treat women with respect" (which presumably doesn't apply only to campus or only to illegal activities).'

But you said you were fine with the rule, as it is the player's choice as to whether to be a member of the team or not. Or are you getting shaky on that position now if one reads the rule the way the rule was written?

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:08 pm

This thread has really taken away from how awesome that picture is. I've always had somewhat of a soft spot for Texas football, but have never been willing to say I "like" UT football. Throw me in the fan category now. I'm sold and rooting for this guy.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:12 pm

I'm still hoping that Texas crashes and burns every year.

Of course, I hope that about most of the top tier programs in the country every year.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:23 pm

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LongTimeCatFan · Post by **LongTimeCatFan** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:41 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
LongTimeCatFan wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
LongTimeCatFan wrote:Can't carry on campus.

And I'm not sure if it's against team rules to own a gun and have a concealed weapons permit. You probably could leave the gun(s) at home with your parents. Ya just can't bring it/them to school with ya. And since you have to live on campus now, and state law prohibits possession of a gun on campus, it's seems as I said in my first post, redundant. And as I also stated earlier, kids that age need redundancy sometimes.
I'm pretty sure his point is that he doesn't want any players having anything to do with any guns at any time as long as they are members of the football team. So it's not really redundant. He's proactively telling them that they can't do something that is otherwise legal. He obviously considers any contact with guns to be bad news for people that age.
I HIGHLY DOUBT that is his actual intent. Texas is a state with strong hunting roots and very pro second amendment.

That last sentence is YOUR opinion and yours alone. It has very little to do with the actual opinion of this coach.

Since it's coupled within a rule that bans other illegal activity, it's a fair assumption that he's also referring to illegal activity related to guns.

It would be pretty silly for someone in Texas or Montana to say you can't own a gun if you want to be on the football team. And it doesn't say that so I'm not sure why you are interpreting it that way.
Okay. If one of the Texas players tells Strong that he has a bunch of guns at a friends' house off-campus (or his own off-campus house, if he's allowed to live off-campus), you're saying that Strong won't care at all. I, however, read the rule to mean that a player in that situation would be in deep trouble with Strong.

The rule seemed pretty straight-forward to me, but apparently you know all of the exceptions that Strong implied, but had no interest in writing down. He could have added "on campus" if he simply meant "no guns on campus" or "no illegal guns" or something along those lines. Instead, he opted for an all-encompassing "no guns" statement.

And no, the last sentence is not my opinion. If you want to know MY opinion, just ask me instead of making up stuff as per usual. As you may have noticed, I'm not the one who issued a simple "no guns" rule to his team (yes, in the state of Texas) in the same line as "treat women with respect" (which presumably doesn't apply only to campus or only to illegal activities).'

But you said you were fine with the rule, as it is the player's choice as to whether to be a member of the team or not. Or are you getting shaky on that position now if one reads the rule the way the rule was written?

Okay. Answer this first, then I can address your other questions. If a player has a bunch of rifles and pistols, but are left at home with his parents, are you suggesting that Strong would have a serious problem with that?

Or if a player goes hunting and gets a deer with his rifle, would Strong have a problem with that?

LongTimeCatFan · Post by **LongTimeCatFan** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:14 am

Bay Area Cat wrote:
LongTimeCatFan wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
LongTimeCatFan wrote:Can't carry on campus.

And I'm not sure if it's against team rules to own a gun and have a concealed weapons permit. You probably could leave the gun(s) at home with your parents. Ya just can't bring it/them to school with ya. And since you have to live on campus now, and state law prohibits possession of a gun on campus, it's seems as I said in my first post, redundant. And as I also stated earlier, kids that age need redundancy sometimes.
I'm pretty sure his point is that he doesn't want any players having anything to do with any guns at any time as long as they are members of the football team. So it's not really redundant. He's proactively telling them that they can't do something that is otherwise legal. He obviously considers any contact with guns to be bad news for people that age.
I HIGHLY DOUBT that is his actual intent. Texas is a state with strong hunting roots and very pro second amendment.

That last sentence is YOUR opinion and yours alone. It has very little to do with the actual opinion of this coach.

Since it's coupled within a rule that bans other illegal activity, it's a fair assumption that he's also referring to illegal activity related to guns.

It would be pretty silly for someone in Texas or Montana to say you can't own a gun if you want to be on the football team. And it doesn't say that so I'm not sure why you are interpreting it that way.
Okay. If one of the Texas players tells Strong that he has a bunch of guns at a friends' house off-campus (or his own off-campus house, if he's allowed to live off-campus), you're saying that Strong won't care at all. I, however, read the rule to mean that a player in that situation would be in deep trouble with Strong.

The rule seemed pretty straight-forward to me, but apparently you know all of the exceptions that Strong implied, but had no interest in writing down. He could have added "on campus" if he simply meant "no guns on campus" or "no illegal guns" or something along those lines. Instead, he opted for an all-encompassing "no guns" statement.

And no, the last sentence is not my opinion. If you want to know MY opinion, just ask me instead of making up stuff as per usual. As you may have noticed, I'm not the one who issued a simple "no guns" rule to his team (yes, in the state of Texas) in the same line as "treat women with respect" (which presumably doesn't apply only to campus or only to illegal activities).'

But you said you were fine with the rule, as it is the player's choice as to whether to be a member of the team or not. Or are you getting shaky on that position now if one reads the rule the way the rule was written?

Since you haven't responded, I have to assume that you recognize how silly you've made this.

No, I don't know all of the exceptions, but I can use common sense.

No, the rule isn't written in a way that exactly specifies his intentions. As Catatac noted before he deleted his post. The rule seems to actually be just talking about the football building. You and I agree that he probably didn't mean to write it that way.

Bay Area Cat wrote:He obviously considers any contact with guns to be bad news for people that age.

I'm not sure how to take this other than your opinion. If it's not your opinion and you can provide substantiating evidence that this is his opinion, ie a quote, then your response is valid. Until then I'll continue to view this as YOUR opinion. It seems odd that you would accuse me of "making stuff up," when that's exactly what you did here.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:09 pm

I had no interest in continuing the conversation. I said all I wanted to say and saw no point in repeating myself. Everybody can reach their own conclusions about what Coach Strong meant by those words. Both of us having a long debate about something we know nothing about, except what we both infer from the fact that those two words were written, is pointless.

As for assuming anything is my opinion, well, you can do whatever you want I guess. If you want to make assumptions that lead you to being wrong, that's fine with me. I'm confident that anybody who reads this is wise enough to trust me to be a reliable source of my opinions over you making illogical assertions as to what my opinions might be. Of course, if we applied the logic you tried to apply to me twice (because it worked so well the first time

), that would mean that it is YOUR opinion that we should outlaw all guns, because you concluded from things Obama said that Obama thought that. Makes a lot of sense, eh?

You are trying to get under my skin when you do illogical stuff like that ... I get that. Have fun with it.