Has Kramer lost the ISU team

allcat · Post by **allcat** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:13 am

They have been blown out the last two weeks. Has he lost the confidence of this team? I did not expect much the 1st year, but I really expected some wins this year. The defense appears to be really bad. I thought that was his specialty.

Post by **rtb** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:51 am

allcat wrote:They have be blow out the last two weeks. Has he lost the confidence of this team? I did not expect much the 1st year, but I really expected some wins this year. The defense appears to be really bad. I thought that was his specialty.

Do you remember the 2000 Bobcat Football campaign? It was a lot like what is happening now and our program was 10 times better then what was in place in Pokey. They had to rip that thing down past the foundation before they can improve so I don't think this is too shocking to me.

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allcat · Post by **allcat** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:44 am

rtb wrote:
allcat wrote:They have be blow out the last two weeks. Has he lost the confidence of this team? I did not expect much the 1st year, but I really expected some wins this year. The defense appears to be really bad. I thought that was his specialty.
Do you remember the 2000 Bobcat Football campaign? It was a lot like what is happening now and our program was 10 times better then what was in place in Pokey. They had to rip that thing down past the foundation before they can improve so I don't think this is too shocking to me.

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Yes I do remember, I remember that Eastern blocked our field goal to win and ran it back for a TD. MY point is I thought we were not getting blown out in those games, they were at least entertaining. Right now ISU gave up 120 points the last 2 weeks. It would be really tough for an ISU fan to go to an ISU game and players like Kane are not stepping up. I still wish him the best.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:48 am

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:39 am

The amount of points they have given up all season is kind of mind blowing. They have to be on pace to set a record of some sort (in a bad way) on points allowed for a season.

John K · Post by **John K** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:59 am

Bay Area Cat wrote:The amount of points they have given up all season is kind of mind blowing. They have to be on pace to set a record of some sort (in a bad way) on points allowed for a season.

Yes...allowing 50+ points in 6 straight games is almost beyond comprehension. As I recall, MSU was exactly the opposite in 2000. The offense was pretty terrible, but the defense was good enough to prevent getting blown out in most games, even though we played a bunch of freshman that season. Those same freshman formed the core of dominant defensive teams that won two straight BSC titles when they were juniors and seniors.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:30 pm

I don't understand why Kramer insists on this pass all the time offense they have. That's what's killing their defense because they're on the field the whole game. When he took over our program and tore it down to the studs, he at least had Ryan Johnson to hand the ball off to. As that season went on we were competitive in some games (PSU needed a last second field goal to win if I recall). And nobody hung 70 on us. Kramer's teams here ran the ball a lot in those first years and that helped keep the scores down and the games shorter.

Maybe because they're in that dome he thinks they'll attract the athletes to a high speed offensive attack, but it ain't working so far. Their quarterback, Kevin Yost, is the bravest man I've ever seen trying to play in that system.

John K · Post by **John K** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:45 pm

BelgradeBobcat wrote:I don't understand why Kramer insists on this pass all the time offense they have. That's what's killing their defense because they're on the field the whole game. When he took over our program and tore it down to the studs, he at least had Ryan Johnson to hand the ball off to. As that season went on we were competitive in some games (PSU needed a last second field goal to win if I recall). And nobody hung 70 on us. Kramer's teams here ran the ball a lot in those first years and that helped keep the scores down and the games shorter.

Maybe because they're in that dome he thinks they'll attract the athletes to a high speed offensive attack, but it ain't working so far. Their quarterback, Kevin Yost, is the bravest man I've ever seen trying to play in that system.

Giving the ball to Ryan Johnson is a pretty good option, when your QB is Farheed Azimi. That's probably the main reason we ran the ball so much during the 2000 season.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:22 pm

BelgradeBobcat wrote:I don't understand why Kramer insists on this pass all the time offense they have. That's what's killing their defense because they're on the field the whole game. When he took over our program and tore it down to the studs, he at least had Ryan Johnson to hand the ball off to. As that season went on we were competitive in some games (PSU needed a last second field goal to win if I recall). And nobody hung 70 on us. Kramer's teams here ran the ball a lot in those first years and that helped keep the scores down and the games shorter.

Maybe because they're in that dome he thinks they'll attract the athletes to a high speed offensive attack, but it ain't working so far. Their quarterback, Kevin Yost, is the bravest man I've ever seen trying to play in that system.

I agree. I have been baffled by some of his comments this year. Bragging about their WR breaking the all time WR record last year when all they did was pass (that doesn't sound like the old Kramer). It is pretty easy to break that record if you pass 95% of the time. Most fans could care less about that and want to actually be competitive and win some games. Another quote was "The only running we will be doing is from the sideline to get our plays called in etc. etc.". They are going nowhere just passing it non stop (ONE DIMENSIONAL). That is also probably why their run D is terrible as well as they never practice stopping it in practice either (same with the Griz on their pass defense - all screens and bubble screens).

So yeah, I think after losing by so much and then pushing the player (even if it was barely a push) he has lost that team. It is his second year. I know they are still rebuilding, but they aren't even close right now.

Maudlow · Post by **Maudlow** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:55 pm

Any discussion about Kramer and the current state of ISU football has to start with APR. When Kramer took over the program, it was made clear to him that not only were future sanctions likely for the football team but also for other ISU athletic programs because of the dire state of the football team's APR. The death sentence for ISU football was something that wasn't ruled out. What made things even more difficult was the fact that the team was both bad in the classroom and on the football field.

ISU has given scholarships to former walk-ons with good academic records. They have hired a director of academics instead of a defensive coordinator. They have turned away multiple drop down and JC players because they didn't meet their strict academic standards or their scholarship was already given to a walk-on.

ISU's historically bad defense is a reflection of how historically bad their APR was when Kramer walked in. The reason the defense has gotten worse is that several of the decent players that held that defense together last year have graduated and been replaced with players who are younger, not as talented, but able to pull 3.5 GPA. I know Kramer originally thought he could come in and do what he did at MSU and have ISU competitive in 2-3 years. Unfortunately, he (and everyone else) is realizing this is more like a 5 year turnaround. At this point it really isn't fair to judge this team against other Big Sky teams because they are still playing with one arm behind their back. The good news is, the word on the street is ISU football's 2012 APR score is in the neighborhood of 1,000.

With that being said, it would be interesting to know if Kramer still thinks it was a good idea to run a fast paced pass first offense. With so many 20 second three and out drives it’s no wonder the defense is giving up video game like statistics.

Kramer's vision of the future of ISU football is one in which the offense scores through the air quickly and often, time of possession doesn't mean a thing, and the defense is going to be aggressive to the point of all or nothing....From where they are at today, it may be a few more years before that can happen. Kramer is as headstrong as they come, and you can bet he is going to stick by his vision and hope that the APR issue is cleared up, the players in the program develop into Big Sky caliber players, and he can drum up enough interest to recruit the players he wants to win games.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:22 pm

The other thing not helping the situation at all is ISU's non-conference scheduling. Games against Air Force and Nebraska give them absolutetly no chance, but they have to do it for the $$$.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:28 pm

No

And if by chance I am wrong.....so what he needs to get his guys in there and get rid of the pussies they have at WR.

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Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:28 pm

BelgradeBobcat wrote:The other thing not helping the situation at all is ISU's non-conference scheduling. Games against Air Force and Nebraska give them absolutetly no chance, but they have to do it for the $$$.

I know what you're saying, but it also looks like Air Force was one of their closer games ... don't really know what to take from that.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:31 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
BelgradeBobcat wrote:The other thing not helping the situation at all is ISU's non-conference scheduling. Games against Air Force and Nebraska give them absolutetly no chance, but they have to do it for the $$$.
I know what you're saying, but it also looks like Air Force was one of their closer games ... don't really know what to take from that.

Airforce sucks? UNLV beat them for christ sake.........

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