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Post by TomCat88 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:00 pm

But Datsopoulos said he feared publicity over ongoing federal investigations into how the University of Montana and area law enforcement handle sexual assault cases would influence that sentence.

“This is an extremely toxic environment that has developed, through no fault of Beau’s, and has caused mass media hysteria. I don’t want my client punished for an overall environment,” he said.
There's an extremely toxic environment, but Donaldson didn't have anything to do with it? Wow. I don't mean to sound like I'm piling on the kid, but he has apparently admitted to doing this. Yet his lawyer is saying that despite that he should not be faulted for the extremely toxic environment. Since the lawyer didn't can someone please explain.


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Post by tampa_griz » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:05 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
But Datsopoulos said he feared publicity over ongoing federal investigations into how the University of Montana and area law enforcement handle sexual assault cases would influence that sentence.

“This is an extremely toxic environment that has developed, through no fault of Beau’s, and has caused mass media hysteria. I don’t want my client punished for an overall environment,” he said.
There's an extremely toxic environment, but Donaldson didn't have anything to do with it? Wow. I don't mean to sound like I'm piling on the kid, but he has apparently admitted to doing this. Yet his lawyer is saying that despite that he should not be faulted for the extremely toxic environment. Since the lawyer didn't can someone please explain.
What else do you expect his lawyer to say? It's his lawyer. Everyone gets a lawyer.



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Re: Donaldson

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:52 pm

tampa_griz wrote:
TomCat88 wrote:
But Datsopoulos said he feared publicity over ongoing federal investigations into how the University of Montana and area law enforcement handle sexual assault cases would influence that sentence.

“This is an extremely toxic environment that has developed, through no fault of Beau’s, and has caused mass media hysteria. I don’t want my client punished for an overall environment,” he said.
There's an extremely toxic environment, but Donaldson didn't have anything to do with it? Wow. I don't mean to sound like I'm piling on the kid, but he has apparently admitted to doing this. Yet his lawyer is saying that despite that he should not be faulted for the extremely toxic environment. Since the lawyer didn't can someone please explain.
What else do you expect his lawyer to say? It's his lawyer. Everyone gets a lawyer.
I'd expect him to say this:
“He wants to limit any hassle or stress this will cause the unidentified person,” “Technically what happened, by the law will be defined as rape,”
And he did.
I didn't expect him to say something that only his friends and family might buy.


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Re: Donaldson

Post by tampa_griz » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:15 am

TomCat88 wrote:
tampa_griz wrote:
TomCat88 wrote:
But Datsopoulos said he feared publicity over ongoing federal investigations into how the University of Montana and area law enforcement handle sexual assault cases would influence that sentence.

“This is an extremely toxic environment that has developed, through no fault of Beau’s, and has caused mass media hysteria. I don’t want my client punished for an overall environment,” he said.
There's an extremely toxic environment, but Donaldson didn't have anything to do with it? Wow. I don't mean to sound like I'm piling on the kid, but he has apparently admitted to doing this. Yet his lawyer is saying that despite that he should not be faulted for the extremely toxic environment. Since the lawyer didn't can someone please explain.
What else do you expect his lawyer to say? It's his lawyer. Everyone gets a lawyer.
I'd expect him to say this:
“He wants to limit any hassle or stress this will cause the unidentified person,” “Technically what happened, by the law will be defined as rape,”
And he did.
I didn't expect him to say something that only his friends and family might buy.
The purpose of a lawyer isn't PR if his client is pleading guilty. A defense lawyer works as an advocate on behalf of his client.



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Re: Donaldson

Post by Grizlaw » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:47 am

TomCat88 wrote:
But Datsopoulos said he feared publicity over ongoing federal investigations into how the University of Montana and area law enforcement handle sexual assault cases would influence that sentence.

“This is an extremely toxic environment that has developed, through no fault of Beau’s, and has caused mass media hysteria. I don’t want my client punished for an overall environment,” he said.
There's an extremely toxic environment, but Donaldson didn't have anything to do with it? Wow. I don't mean to sound like I'm piling on the kid, but he has apparently admitted to doing this. Yet his lawyer is saying that despite that he should not be faulted for the extremely toxic environment. Since the lawyer didn't can someone please explain.
I can't really say it any better than Milt did, but the point here is that Donaldson is responsible for his own actions...and only his own actions. He's not responsible for JJ's alleged actions, or the Saudi student's alleged actions, or the alleged gang rape, or the tasing, or anything else.

He deserves to be punished severely, but if he were to end up getting a harsher sentence than he deserves on account of all of the other alleged acts of others, then that would not constitute justice, either. Agreed?


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Re: Donaldson

Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:56 am

Grizlaw wrote:
TomCat88 wrote:
But Datsopoulos said he feared publicity over ongoing federal investigations into how the University of Montana and area law enforcement handle sexual assault cases would influence that sentence.

“This is an extremely toxic environment that has developed, through no fault of Beau’s, and has caused mass media hysteria. I don’t want my client punished for an overall environment,” he said.
There's an extremely toxic environment, but Donaldson didn't have anything to do with it? Wow. I don't mean to sound like I'm piling on the kid, but he has apparently admitted to doing this. Yet his lawyer is saying that despite that he should not be faulted for the extremely toxic environment. Since the lawyer didn't can someone please explain.
I can't really say it any better than Milt did, but the point here is that Donaldson is responsible for his own actions...and only his own actions. He's not responsible for JJ's alleged actions, or the Saudi student's alleged actions, or the alleged gang rape, or the tasing, or anything else.

He deserves to be punished severely, but if he were to end up getting a harsher sentence than he deserves on account of all of the other alleged acts of others, then that would not constitute justice, either. Agreed?
Agreed.



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Re: Donaldson

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:05 am

Grizlaw wrote:
TomCat88 wrote:
But Datsopoulos said he feared publicity over ongoing federal investigations into how the University of Montana and area law enforcement handle sexual assault cases would influence that sentence.

“This is an extremely toxic environment that has developed, through no fault of Beau’s, and has caused mass media hysteria. I don’t want my client punished for an overall environment,” he said.
There's an extremely toxic environment, but Donaldson didn't have anything to do with it? Wow. I don't mean to sound like I'm piling on the kid, but he has apparently admitted to doing this. Yet his lawyer is saying that despite that he should not be faulted for the extremely toxic environment. Since the lawyer didn't can someone please explain.
I can't really say it any better than Milt did, but the point here is that Donaldson is responsible for his own actions...and only his own actions. He's not responsible for JJ's alleged actions, or the Saudi student's alleged actions, or the alleged gang rape, or the tasing, or anything else.

He deserves to be punished severely, but if he were to end up getting a harsher sentence than he deserves on account of all of the other alleged acts of others, then that would not constitute justice, either. Agreed?
Agreed. I wasn't reading it that way. Thanks. No one should be punished for the toxic state of things despite the fact that they've created a toxic state. I think he would've said it better by leaving out the part that said through no fault of Beau's.


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