Final 2007 FCS Coaches Poll

[GOKATS]

Might as well have them all. Cats made this one, but out of the top 25.

12/18/07 FCS Coaches Poll by Points
Rank Team (1st Votes) Points
1. Appalachian State (27) 696
2. Delaware 653
3. Southern Illinois 618
4. Richmond 599
5. Northern Iowa (1) 571
6. Massachusetts 508
7. James Madison 500
8. Eastern Washington 464
9. North Dakota State 460
10. Wofford 449
11. McNeese State 434
12. Montana 418
13. Eastern Kentucky 337
14. New Hampshire 327
15. Eastern Illinois 251
16. Delaware State 237
17. Youngstown State 208
18. Georgia Southern 181
19. Fordham 169
20. Harvard 136
21. Yale 124
22. South Dakota State 116
23. Elon 107
24. Grambling State 96
25. Dayton 79
Others receiving votes (points in parentheses): Cal Poly (60), Villanova (51), Hofstra (42), Western Illinois (30), The Citadel (24), Jackson St. (19), Albany (18), Liberty (18), Montana St. (15), Norfolk St. (15), Furman (14), Sam Houston St. (11), South Carolina St. (9), San Diego (8), Prairie View A&M (7), Alabama A&M (6), Hampton (5), Holy Cross (4), Southern (3), Georgetown (2), Central Arkansas (1).

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[cats2506]

Its unanimous, EWU is better than UM

[crazycat]

Need I say more?

[tampa_griz]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

[crazycat]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

[tampa_griz]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

Believe what? Montana beat EWU regardless of what I or any EWU bandwagon fans believe.

[crazycat]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

Believe what? Montana beat EWU regardless of what I or any EWU bandwagon fans believe.

[GrizinWashington]

Tampa, head to head games only count when they involve a 6-5 cat team beating a 10-1 Griz team. In that case, the cats are the "better" team, because they "proved it on the field". The reverse does not apply, however. I call it the "BCN Theory of Relativity". It is, apparently, a constant.

[crazycat]

Tampa, head to head games only count when they involve a 6-5 cat team beating a 10-1 Griz team. In that case, the cats are the "better" team, because they "proved it on the field". The reverse does not apply, however. I call it the "BCN Theory of Relativity". It is, apparently, a constant.

I don't recall any Cats fan saying that in either of these threads on the latest polls. If you don't want to accept what the majority of people think -- that EWU is better than UM at football -- that's your prerogative. But turn it into a Cat-Griz thing.

I've already said that UM had a better team than MSU in 2002, a year we won the auto bid and beat you guys. We finished 7-6 as I recall and lost out in the first round, while UM won a game and finished 10-4.

[Topher]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

Believe what? Montana beat EWU regardless of what I or any EWU bandwagon fans believe.

Seriously, Crazycat if you want to base who is better than who on polls and voters, boy howdy you are missing out. There is this whole BCS division of football that uses a voting method to determine who the better team is. Here you've been wasting your time cheering for FCS schools.

Give me a break...These are the same polls that voted Northern Iowa #1 all year long and the Griz #3. Now because they are not so favorable to UM they suddenly have a credibility in Bobcatland.

Polls are for raising flags and for firemen to slide down, that's about the extent of their value.

EWU has an argument, they peaked at the right time. I could buy they got better than the Griz, but what matters the most, and what we should really be talking about here, is the fact the Cat's are three touchdowns worse than the Griz on the gridiron, and can't even get close enough in the polls to kiss our royal furry hinnies. The Griz drop to 12 and you still can't get within 10 rankings...Way to go Bobcats!

In short, EWU and UM a coin toss...UM and MSU a laugher...

[GOKATS]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

Believe what? Montana beat EWU regardless of what I or any EWU bandwagon fans believe.

Seriously, Crazycat if you want to base who is better than who on polls and voters, boy howdy you are missing out. There is this whole BCS division of football that uses a voting method to determine who the better team is. Here you've been wasting your time cheering for FCS schools.

Give me a break...These are the same polls that voted Northern Iowa #1 all year long and the Griz #3. Now because they are not so favorable to UM they suddenly have a credibility in Bobcatland.

Polls are for raising flags and for firemen to slide down, that's about the extent of their value.

EWU has an argument, they peaked at the right time. I could buy they got better than the Griz, but what matters the most, and what we should really be talking about here, is the fact the Cat's are three touchdowns worse than the Griz on the gridiron, and can't even get close enough in the polls to kiss our royal furry hinnies. The Griz drop to 12 and you still can't get within 10 rankings...Way to go Bobcats!

In short, EWU and UM a coin toss...UM and MSU a laugher...

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, those are 'poles'.

[Topher]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

Believe what? Montana beat EWU regardless of what I or any EWU bandwagon fans believe.

Seriously, Crazycat if you want to base who is better than who on polls and voters, boy howdy you are missing out. There is this whole BCS division of football that uses a voting method to determine who the better team is. Here you've been wasting your time cheering for FCS schools.

Give me a break...These are the same polls that voted Northern Iowa #1 all year long and the Griz #3. Now because they are not so favorable to UM they suddenly have a credibility in Bobcatland.

Polls are for raising flags and for firemen to slide down, that's about the extent of their value.

EWU has an argument, they peaked at the right time. I could buy they got better than the Griz, but what matters the most, and what we should really be talking about here, is the fact the Cat's are three touchdowns worse than the Griz on the gridiron, and can't even get close enough in the polls to kiss our royal furry hinnies. The Griz drop to 12 and you still can't get within 10 rankings...Way to go Bobcats!

In short, EWU and UM a coin toss...UM and MSU a laugher...

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, those are 'poles'.

I was punning, and you will let me pun!

[crazycat]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

Believe what? Montana beat EWU regardless of what I or any EWU bandwagon fans believe.

Seriously, Crazycat if you want to base who is better than who on polls and voters, boy howdy you are missing out. There is this whole BCS division of football that uses a voting method to determine who the better team is. Here you've been wasting your time cheering for FCS schools.

Give me a break...These are the same polls that voted Northern Iowa #1 all year long and the Griz #3. Now because they are not so favorable to UM they suddenly have a credibility in Bobcatland.

Polls are for raising flags and for firemen to slide down, that's about the extent of their value.

EWU has an argument, they peaked at the right time. I could buy they got better than the Griz, but what matters the most, and what we should really be talking about here, is the fact the Cat's are three touchdowns worse than the Griz on the gridiron, and can't even get close enough in the polls to kiss our royal furry hinnies. The Griz drop to 12 and you still can't get within 10 rankings...Way to go Bobcats!

In short, EWU and UM a coin toss...UM and MSU a laugher...

Well, Topher, when you can find a poll or playoff (not Griz-fan opinion) that shows UM is better than EWU be sure and post it here for us all to see, K?

[Topher]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

Believe what? Montana beat EWU regardless of what I or any EWU bandwagon fans believe.

Seriously, Crazycat if you want to base who is better than who on polls and voters, boy howdy you are missing out. There is this whole BCS division of football that uses a voting method to determine who the better team is. Here you've been wasting your time cheering for FCS schools.

Give me a break...These are the same polls that voted Northern Iowa #1 all year long and the Griz #3. Now because they are not so favorable to UM they suddenly have a credibility in Bobcatland.

Polls are for raising flags and for firemen to slide down, that's about the extent of their value.

EWU has an argument, they peaked at the right time. I could buy they got better than the Griz, but what matters the most, and what we should really be talking about here, is the fact the Cat's are three touchdowns worse than the Griz on the gridiron, and can't even get close enough in the polls to kiss our royal furry hinnies. The Griz drop to 12 and you still can't get within 10 rankings...Way to go Bobcats!

In short, EWU and UM a coin toss...UM and MSU a laugher...

Well, Topher, when you can find a poll or playoff (not Griz-fan opinion) that shows UM is better than EWU be sure and post it here for us all to see, K?

This is like when you find that perfect match for your buddy, but he won't go out with her because it is "a setup." Seriously Crazycat, you are wasting so much time on the FCS when it is clear you are a BCS man...

Griz beat every common opponent they had with EWU and in fact beat EWU. "At home by one point," he says. A W, is a W, is a W, is a W in the game of college football.

Neither team won the chipper, and if it were up to these polls to determine who the best team was, we would have had an Northern Iowa v.s. Montana Chipper (It's true, this is what they had at the end of the season). You can deleniate your argument now to the playoffs, which was very smart of you, but the fact is, UM played Woford, not Eastern Washington, and lost to Woford, not Eastern Washington. The polls showed they were worthless all year except for the few weeks they had Appalachian State at the top.

Honestly now Crazy, you are a BCS man...save yourself the internal conflict, and just find a team that lives and dies by polls to determine whether or not they are champions. Boise State is on the up and up, maybe you could be a Bronco fan!

[catatac]

So, against EWU, if Carpenter's kick would have hit the upright and bounced no good... you would have no problem saying EWU is a better overall team than UM?

Point is that strange things happen in his game and EWU certainly outplayed you in the game of football that day, dominated you in fact... the score just didn't reflect it.

Certainly you're not arguing that the best team always wins?

[crazycat]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

Believe what? Montana beat EWU regardless of what I or any EWU bandwagon fans believe.

Seriously, Crazycat if you want to base who is better than who on polls and voters, boy howdy you are missing out. There is this whole BCS division of football that uses a voting method to determine who the better team is. Here you've been wasting your time cheering for FCS schools.

Give me a break...These are the same polls that voted Northern Iowa #1 all year long and the Griz #3. Now because they are not so favorable to UM they suddenly have a credibility in Bobcatland.

Polls are for raising flags and for firemen to slide down, that's about the extent of their value.

EWU has an argument, they peaked at the right time. I could buy they got better than the Griz, but what matters the most, and what we should really be talking about here, is the fact the Cat's are three touchdowns worse than the Griz on the gridiron, and can't even get close enough in the polls to kiss our royal furry hinnies. The Griz drop to 12 and you still can't get within 10 rankings...Way to go Bobcats!

In short, EWU and UM a coin toss...UM and MSU a laugher...

Well, Topher, when you can find a poll or playoff (not Griz-fan opinion) that shows UM is better than EWU be sure and post it here for us all to see, K?

This is like when you find that perfect match for your buddy, but he won't go out with her because it is "a setup." Seriously Crazycat, you are wasting so much time on the FCS when it is clear you are a BCS man...

Griz beat every common opponent they had with EWU and in fact beat EWU. "At home by one point," he says. A W, is a W, is a W, is a W in the game of college football.

Neither team won the chipper, and if it were up to these polls to determine who the best team was, we would have had an Northern Iowa v.s. Montana Chipper (It's true, this is what they had at the end of the season). You can deleniate your argument now to the playoffs, which was very smart of you, but the fact is, UM played Woford, not Eastern Washington, and lost to Woford, not Eastern Washington. The polls showed they were worthless all year except for the few weeks they had Appalachian State at the top.

Honestly now Crazy, you are a BCS man...save yourself the internal conflict, and just find a team that lives and dies by polls to determine whether or not they are champions. Boise State is on the up and up, maybe you could be a Bronco fan!

BCS? I'm basing my opinion partly on the fact that EWU went further in the FCS playoffs and were more impressive in the FCS playoffs. The playoffs determine who's best in the FCS and a good reason why EWU is better than UM. UM didn't beat EWU in a playoff game.

FCS = Play a regular season, "subject" it to a panel of judges to determine who gets in the playoffs, then let the playoffs decide the better team. Second round > first round.

I'd say you're being more like the BCS than I am since you're throwing out the playoffs. The playoffs start and may the "BETTER" team win. If you're pro-Playoffs, then you MUST think that EWU is better. Otherwise you're scoffing at the FCS system and are pro-BCS.

[tampa_griz]

BCS? I'm basing my opinion partly on the fact that EWU went further in the FCS playoffs and were more impressive in the FCS playoffs. The playoffs determine who's best in the FCS and a good reason why EWU is better than UM. UM didn't beat EWU in a playoff game.

So basically you're saying that Montana has been better than MSU since Reagan's first administration. Cuz ya know, MSU hasn't finished better since. That's awesome.

Regardless of what actually happened when teams played each other.....who do you think was better? After all, that's what counts right?....

[crazycat]

BCS? I'm basing my opinion partly on the fact that EWU went further in the FCS playoffs and were more impressive in the FCS playoffs. The playoffs determine who's best in the FCS and a good reason why EWU is better than UM. UM didn't beat EWU in a playoff game.

So basically you're saying that Montana has been better than MSU since Reagan's first administration. Cuz ya know, MSU hasn't finished better since. That's awesome.

Regardless of what actually happened when teams played each other.....who do you think was better? After all, that's what counts right?....

Does that even need to be said? Collectively UM has been much better than MSU since the Reagan Administration. MSU has done well just to get close to them over the past six years. Secure people that live in the world of reality don't need anyone to confirm this for them. Trade in that Dodge Diesel 4 X 4 and quit wearing your weightlifting belt 24-7. Everything will be OK.

That post does nothing to advance your opinion that UM was better than EWU in 2007. Actually it draws away from it since you've resorted to changing the subject.

Just be glad you beat them, it's definitely a feather in your cap and along with beating MSU is probably the highlight of your season.

[tampa_griz]

That post does nothing to advance your opinion that UM was better than EWU in 2007. Actually it draws away from it since you've resorted to changing the subject.

Doesn't matter what my opinion is. They met on the field and the better team beat the overmatched team.

[Topher]

Need I say more?

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else says. Montana beat EWU. EWU lost to Montana. Montana beat PSU. EWU lost to PSU.

Montana's better than EWU. Case closed. Decided on the field.

Now if you could just get yourself to believe that.

Believe what? Montana beat EWU regardless of what I or any EWU bandwagon fans believe.

Seriously, Crazycat if you want to base who is better than who on polls and voters, boy howdy you are missing out. There is this whole BCS division of football that uses a voting method to determine who the better team is. Here you've been wasting your time cheering for FCS schools.

Give me a break...These are the same polls that voted Northern Iowa #1 all year long and the Griz #3. Now because they are not so favorable to UM they suddenly have a credibility in Bobcatland.

Polls are for raising flags and for firemen to slide down, that's about the extent of their value.

EWU has an argument, they peaked at the right time. I could buy they got better than the Griz, but what matters the most, and what we should really be talking about here, is the fact the Cat's are three touchdowns worse than the Griz on the gridiron, and can't even get close enough in the polls to kiss our royal furry hinnies. The Griz drop to 12 and you still can't get within 10 rankings...Way to go Bobcats!

In short, EWU and UM a coin toss...UM and MSU a laugher...

Well, Topher, when you can find a poll or playoff (not Griz-fan opinion) that shows UM is better than EWU be sure and post it here for us all to see, K?

This is like when you find that perfect match for your buddy, but he won't go out with her because it is "a setup." Seriously Crazycat, you are wasting so much time on the FCS when it is clear you are a BCS man...

Griz beat every common opponent they had with EWU and in fact beat EWU. "At home by one point," he says. A W, is a W, is a W, is a W in the game of college football.

Neither team won the chipper, and if it were up to these polls to determine who the best team was, we would have had an Northern Iowa v.s. Montana Chipper (It's true, this is what they had at the end of the season). You can deleniate your argument now to the playoffs, which was very smart of you, but the fact is, UM played Woford, not Eastern Washington, and lost to Woford, not Eastern Washington. The polls showed they were worthless all year except for the few weeks they had Appalachian State at the top.

Honestly now Crazy, you are a BCS man...save yourself the internal conflict, and just find a team that lives and dies by polls to determine whether or not they are champions. Boise State is on the up and up, maybe you could be a Bronco fan!

BCS? I'm basing my opinion partly on the fact that EWU went further in the FCS playoffs and were more impressive in the FCS playoffs. The playoffs determine who's best in the FCS and a good reason why EWU is better than UM. UM didn't beat EWU in a playoff game.

FCS = Play a regular season, "subject" it to a panel of judges to determine who gets in the playoffs, then let the playoffs decide the better team. Second round > first round.

I'd say you're being more like the BCS than I am since you're throwing out the playoffs. The playoffs start and may the "BETTER" team win. If you're pro-Playoffs, then you MUST think that EWU is better. Otherwise you're scoffing at the FCS system and are pro-BCS.

Actually, this whole debate started over the polls, and then you later turned to the playoffs when it was noted that polls are often a fallacy. Yes, EWU's advancement in the playoffs is one indicator of them being better than UM, just as UM beating them this year is an indication they are better than EWU. UM beating PSU (a common opponent) and EWU losing to PSU also indicates UM is better.

You are making this out to be open and shut case and that is simply not true. Both sides have a reasonable argument, and UM going 8-0 in a league EWU went 6-2 is a pretty solid argument whether you like it or not. Face it, the strongest argument you have is the polls which was the basis for this post.

At the end of the day EWU can come see Montana's Big Sky conference trophy any time they want to free of charge in the Hall of Champions. Just like Montana can go and see EWU's playoff win trophy anytime they...waaaaait a minute, there's no trophy for winning a single playoff game.

We could debate this until the cows come home. You say EWU is all around better, and I say both teams have a legitimate case for supremacy. In the end, nobody really gives a poo, I was just tired of you being smug like you "prooved something."