Kramer to EWU?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:37 pm

I'm just curious as to everybody's gut feelings on this question.

Au Blue · Post by **Au Blue** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:43 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:I'm just curious as to everybody's gut feelings on this question.

I still like Kramer, I just don't see EWU hiring him back. Would be interesting to see him on the sidelines at Bobcat Stadium though.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:53 pm

after his sprint out of town, you actually have a better chance than he does

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:56 pm

I'd say Kramers chances at EWU are unlikely, but he does stand a better chance than BAC winning a Nobel Prize.

SACCAT · Post by **SACCAT** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:10 pm

BAC wrote a book? I hadn't heard that. Did you guys hear App. state beat Michigan?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:16 pm

SACCAT wrote:BAC wrote a book? I hadn't heard that. Did you guys hear App. state beat Michigan?

Yep, the secret's out.

But those damn snobs on the Nobel board! [shakes fist toward Europe]

omahacat · Post by **omahacat** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:10 pm

He doesn't deserve a NAIA job, why would they give him a FBS job?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:19 pm

omahacat wrote:He doesn't deserve a NAIA job, why would they give him a FBS job?

EWU isn't an FBS program.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:36 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
omahacat wrote:He doesn't deserve a NAIA job, why would they give him a FBS job?
EWU isn't an FBS program.

It appears Omaha may be having a bad hair night.................. been there, done that.........sh!t happens.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:06 pm

NO CHANCE!!! I have no idea why people really think there would be a chance.

GFCatFan · Post by **GFCatFan** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:59 am

I think there's a very good chance of him going back to EWU. In fact, I think he'd be a no brainer for them. That program was a joke before he built it. Who do you think there going to be able to lure there?
I'm amazed how many people in BN have turned ugly against Coach K. Anyone who thinks Kramer runs a dirty or out of control program doesn't have a clue. If you've ever met the man, it's obvious he's not that kind of guy.
I would have mixed feelings if he got the job. I really like and respect him and wish him nothing but success. But I would hate to play hime every year - We got enough trouble trying to beat EWU without giving them added incentive. You know those kids would play their hearts out for him against us.

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:07 am

GFCatFan wrote:I think there's a very good chance of him going back to EWU. In fact, I think he'd be a no brainer for them. That program was a joke before he built it. Who do you think there going to be able to lure there?
I'm amazed how many people in BN have turned ugly against Coach K. Anyone who thinks Kramer runs a dirty or out of control program doesn't have a clue. If you've ever met the man, it's obvious he's not that kind of guy.
I would have mixed feelings if he got the job. I really like and respect him and wish him nothing but success. But I would hate to play hime every year - We got enough trouble trying to beat EWU without giving them added incentive. You know those kids would play their hearts out for him against us.

very good point. seems like a while back everyone was furiors at fields and thought kramers firing was unjust. now just 6 months later people are acting like krames is some criminal. ewu could do the same research that many of us have, and relize the huge upside to little downside. i say little because they have full control over the contract that they give a coach. if they feel the players grades could drop, put it right there in the contract that if team average grades get to a certain point that they deem too low, he's gone. if they really believe that he brings in criminals for the sake of winning, which i'm sure they wouldn't, put it in his contract. obviously there is more to it than my examples but the point is the school has every right to tell their employer what they expect of them beforehand, and boot them if the job is not done.

Old Skool Cat · Post by **Old Skool Cat** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:20 am

I guess I am on the other side of this debate. I thought Kramer's firing was just, just as I believe Bobby Hauck should also be shown the door for the problems within the UM program. While many of the criminal actions by these young men took place after they had left the program, many of them came to MSU with questionable backgrounds. And it was Mike Kramer who brought them in. I am sure Kramer never intentionally tried to throw all integrity out the door when he signed these kids, but nonetheless, he gambled with them by taking that chance. He was so in a hurry to build the program overnight that he got caught up in a bad never-ending circle of bringing in transfer after transfer rather than building the program with high school recruits that he could have molded for 4-5 years. In the end, it caught up with him. Maybe he's not a bad guy. All I know is that my university and my football program was drug through the mud in the national media by what happened here. And Mike Kramer was leading the charge. I just want to move on with Coach Ash, whom I believe will do an excellent job in rebuilding the program athletically and academically. What happens with Kramer and his future - I could care less.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:41 am

Old Skool Cat wrote:I guess I am on the other side of this debate. I thought Kramer's firing was just, just as I believe Bobby Hauck should also be shown the door for the problems within the UM program. While many of the criminal actions by these young men took place after they had left the program, many of them came to MSU with questionable backgrounds. And it was Mike Kramer who brought them in. I am sure Kramer never intentionally tried to throw all integrity out the door when he signed these kids, but nonetheless, he gambled with them by taking that chance. He was so in a hurry to build the program overnight that he got caught up in a bad never-ending circle of bringing in transfer after transfer rather than building the program with high school recruits that he could have molded for 4-5 years. In the end, it caught up with him. Maybe he's not a bad guy. All I know is that my university and my football program was drug through the mud in the national media by what happened here. And Mike Kramer was leading the charge. I just want to move on with Coach Ash, whom I believe will do an excellent job in rebuilding the program athletically and academically. What happens with Kramer and his future - I could care less.

Can you provide examples of who was brought in with questionable backgrounds?

College Recruiter · Post by **College Recruiter** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:49 am

Bay Area Cat wrote:
omahacat wrote:He doesn't deserve a NAIA job, why would they give him a FBS job?
EWU isn't an FBS program.

I suspect, like me, that Omaha got a bit flummoxed and meant to say:

EWU is part of the NCAA, but not the BCS, but is a member of the BSC and is also part of the FCS.

Oh nevermind.....EWU is 1AA!

GFCatFan · Post by **GFCatFan** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:54 am

As to recruits and transfers - we had to get those kids because the MT kids werre going to UM when Kramer took over. During his reign more and more MT kids started coming to MSU. This years roster has lots of MT kids that KRAMER brought in.
As to babysitting 80 kids - it's ridiculous to think that one man is responsible for half a dozen bad ones. This happens everywhere - Miami, USC, LSU, Stanford, Oklahoma, Notre Dame..... I don't want to totally dismiss those issued because they are serious, but that's more of a reflection of today's society than one individual football coah. Coach Ash is a good man he will be focused on recruiting good people here, but I guarantee you there will be similar issues on his watch too.
I understand why the coaching change was made - perception becomes reality - but the guy was not a win at any cost guy, and there's lot of parents of MSU kids that will support that.

omahacat · Post by **omahacat** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:28 am

My bad. FCS, FBS, are both retarded. Bring back I-AA.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:42 am

omahacat wrote:My bad. FCS, FBS, are both retarded. Bring back I-AA.

Finally ... I agree with something you say.

technoCat · Post by **technoCat** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:28 pm

Old Skool Cat wrote:I guess I am on the other side of this debate. I thought Kramer's firing was just, just as I believe Bobby Hauck should also be shown the door for the problems within the UM program. While many of the criminal actions by these young men took place after they had left the program, many of them came to MSU with questionable backgrounds. And it was Mike Kramer who brought them in. I am sure Kramer never intentionally tried to throw all integrity out the door when he signed these kids, but nonetheless, he gambled with them by taking that chance. He was so in a hurry to build the program overnight that he got caught up in a bad never-ending circle of bringing in transfer after transfer rather than building the program with high school recruits that he could have molded for 4-5 years. In the end, it caught up with him. Maybe he's not a bad guy. All I know is that my university and my football program was drug through the mud in the national media by what happened here. And Mike Kramer was leading the charge. I just want to move on with Coach Ash, whom I believe will do an excellent job in rebuilding the program athletically and academically. What happens with Kramer and his future - I could care less.

Well if you're right we should get rid of Ash right now for keeping those kids who broke into the mayors house this summer. But wait they're from montana so they have to be good kids... And if you think that Kramer brought in transfers and neglected 4-5 year kids then you obviously missed the last season. He didn't gamble on kids and bring in transfers to "build a program overnight" for purely selfish reasons, I think he had a little backing from the admin and fans as long as he kept winning. Would we even be having this discussion if he had only one 5 games every year and the team had no transfers or questionable characters. No Kramer would have been gone three years ago.

John K · Post by **John K** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:50 pm

GFCatFan wrote:I think there's a very good chance of him going back to EWU. In fact, I think he'd be a no brainer for them. That program was a joke before he built it. Who do you think there going to be able to lure there?
I'm amazed how many people in BN have turned ugly against Coach K. Anyone who thinks Kramer runs a dirty or out of control program doesn't have a clue. If you've ever met the man, it's obvious he's not that kind of guy.
I would have mixed feelings if he got the job. I really like and respect him and wish him nothing but success. But I would hate to play hime every year - We got enough trouble trying to beat EWU without giving them added incentive. You know those kids would play their hearts out for him against us.

Amen....I agree with you completely. It appears that PF's efforts to make a scapegoat out of Kramer have been wildly successful, since even many former supporters are now quite critical of him.

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