After the season thoughts

[Cat-theotherwhitemeat]

- The Griz proved that they were over-rated using a soft schedule. My guess is that O'Day won't figure this out by the time scheuling for next year comes around.

- I really like Hauck as a person but his conservative style of play has got to go. IF he can get a job at a I-A school (and I truly believe this year he'll be tying hard to move on), Mike Van Diest will be the next Grizzly coach. Go ahead, mark it down. I've got insider information from a cousin who's got a friend.....oh, you get the point.

- If MVD is the coach, I believe he will take the beat up cadillac and give it a new coat of paint. Watch out Big Sky, the Grizzlies won't just run on first down anymore.

- After reading eGriz and the Wofford message (board before the game) I've come to understand why so many of you hate Griz fans. They can be so arrogant without even knowing it, it's even annoying to me.

Griz fan - "When you come to Missoula you'll find out what a real staduim looks like with the best atmosphere and the best fans in the lower 48....."

SHUTUP!!! Please, eat some humble pie and remember what it tastes like!

- Another user on BN suggested that MSU and UM make a move to the WAC. While I wholeheartedly agree with this, and for the life of me can't figure out why others don't want this, have come to the conlussion that it will never happen. At least not UM. The powers that be in Griz-ville love being the big fish in a little pond and they fear making any changes to what's presently working now. I hope that MSU does not have this same short-sightedness when they have the ability to move because IMHO, the Big Sky sucks and it's just going to get worse.

[The Butcher]

The powers that be in Griz-ville love being the big fish in a little pond and they fear making any changes to what's presently working now.

Our athletic department is afraid to expand on our football stadium despite being over 100% capacity 3 years in a row! If you want to talk about a program scared to take a leap of faith look no further than Bozeman. But I hear they are working on a capital campaign and they are in the silent phase for the 10th year! It should go public in the next 7-8 years!

[Billings_Griz]

The powers that be in Griz-ville love being the big fish in a little pond and they fear making any changes to what's presently working now.

Our athletic department is afraid to expand on our football stadium despite being over 100% capacity 3 years in a row! If you want to talk about a program scared to take a leap of faith look no further than Bozeman. But I hear they are working on a capital campaign and they are in the silent phase for the 10th year! It should go public in the next 7-8 years!

Think 23k + will show up to watch a 6-5 team? I don't.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

- The Griz proved that they were over-rated using a soft schedule. My guess is that O'Day won't figure this out by the time scheuling for next year comes around.

- I really like Hauck as a person but his conservative style of play has got to go. IF he can get a job at a I-A school (and I truly believe this year he'll be tying hard to move on), Mike Van Diest will be the next Grizzly coach. Go ahead, mark it down. I've got insider information from a cousin who's got a friend.....oh, you get the point.

- If MVD is the coach, I believe he will take the beat up cadillac and give it a new coat of paint. Watch out Big Sky, the Grizzlies won't just run on first down anymore.

- After reading eGriz and the Wofford message (board before the game) I've come to understand why so many of you hate Griz fans. They can be so arrogant without even knowing it, it's even annoying to me.

Griz fan - "When you come to Missoula you'll find out what a real staduim looks like with the best atmosphere and the best fans in the lower 48....."

SHUTUP!!! Please, eat some humble pie and remember what it tastes like!

- Another user on BN suggested that MSU and UM make a move to the WAC. While I wholeheartedly agree with this, and for the life of me can't figure out why others don't want this, have come to the conlussion that it will never happen. At least not UM. The powers that be in Griz-ville love being the big fish in a little pond and they fear making any changes to what's presently working now. I hope that MSU does not have this same short-sightedness when they have the ability to move because IMHO, the Big Sky sucks and it's just going to get worse.

Good post CTOWM! I really think a lot of Griz fans would CHOKE on Humble Pie though before they could swallow it down.

[Bleedinbluengold]

I don't think the Griz were overrated...but, I do think that they completely overlooked Wofford. The Griz had NO focus last Saturday and Wofford wasn't just happy to be here.

Wofford shouldn't have even been in the game by half time. I give them credit for winning, but the Griz basically beat themselves, and Woffard took advantage of a team that was clearly looking ahead.

I would be shocked to see Hauck haunting the Griz sidelines next year. I think it's obvious that VanDiest would be interested in the job, but he and his family really like Carroll and they have a great thing going there, too. If offered, it would be difficult to turn down the pay raise, though.

I'm sure there are some candidates just as qualified, if not more so, than Van Diest on the other hand...I think it will be a close call.

[SonomaCat]

The powers that be in Griz-ville love being the big fish in a little pond and they fear making any changes to what's presently working now.

Our athletic department is afraid to expand on our football stadium despite being over 100% capacity 3 years in a row! If you want to talk about a program scared to take a leap of faith look no further than Bozeman. But I hear they are working on a capital campaign and they are in the silent phase for the 10th year! It should go public in the next 7-8 years!

Think 23k + will show up to watch a 6-5 team? I don't.

I'm confused. What's your comment have to do with The Butcher's post?

[WSSMommyCat]

I don't think the Griz were overrated...

Wofford shouldn't have even been in the game by half time. I give them credit for winning, but the Griz basically beat themselves, and Woffard took advantage of a team that was clearly looking ahead.

No way. The Griz were extremely overrated. Even my 3 yr old will tell you that. They won several games by the skin of their teeth. Yes, they were better than the Cats this year and they won that one straight out - no excuses. But they barely skated thru undefeated. Then they meet a team of a very high caliber and could not "just barely" win again.

Wofford won the game - period. They ran an offense that the Griz couldn't defend. Sure, the Griz didn't capitalize at times they should have, but give Wofford some credit there as well. Who was stopping them? Wofford.

[Billings_Griz]

The powers that be in Griz-ville love being the big fish in a little pond and they fear making any changes to what's presently working now.

Our athletic department is afraid to expand on our football stadium despite being over 100% capacity 3 years in a row! If you want to talk about a program scared to take a leap of faith look no further than Bozeman. But I hear they are working on a capital campaign and they are in the silent phase for the 10th year! It should go public in the next 7-8 years!

Think 23k + will show up to watch a 6-5 team? I don't.

I'm confused. What's your comment have to do with The Butcher's post?

LOL, me too. Was talking about the Griz. If they moved up, would WGS have 23k+ show up every week? I don't think so.

My excuse: Gone for a week, bare w/ me today, ok?

[Billings_Griz]

I don't think the Griz were overrated

I think the reason the Griz are "overrated" is because of a few loud mouth fans that post BS on every board (AGS, BN, EG, etc). I think BH does a good job, says the right things (better than 5 yrs ago, "State" comes to mind), and has his kids do/say the right thing (for the most part).

If I were a Cat fan (I am, for all but 1 game a year) or a Wofford fan, I can see why we're hated so much. Every team has them, sadly. I think Griz nation is so big that our 5% of dumb-azz fans are a lot more than the Cats 5% or most others 5%.

On to hoops...I hope the BSC tourney is somewhere in MT.

[Cat-theotherwhitemeat]

The powers that be in Griz-ville love being the big fish in a little pond and they fear making any changes to what's presently working now.

Our athletic department is afraid to expand on our football stadium despite being over 100% capacity 3 years in a row! If you want to talk about a program scared to take a leap of faith look no further than Bozeman. But I hear they are working on a capital campaign and they are in the silent phase for the 10th year! It should go public in the next 7-8 years!

Think 23k + will show up to watch a 6-5 team? I don't.

I'm confused. What's your comment have to do with The Butcher's post?

LOL, me too. Was talking about the Griz. If they moved up, would WGS have 23k+ show up every week? I don't think so.

My excuse: Gone for a week, bare w/ me today, ok?

Would 23,000 show up...yes. Why? 3 reasons.
1. Because they would be playing teams like Boise State, Hawaii, etc. People would much rather watch a good team come to town.
2. Because a ton of people go to the game for the experience and the fun. A few losses is not going to make Monte any less fun to watch or the beer any less tasty.
3. The oppossing teams would actually bring fans. i.e. Idaho brings 2000+. Northern Colorado brings 2.

It's all speculation anyway, the Griz will NEVER move up.

[Bleedinbluengold]

I don't think the Griz were overrated...

Wofford shouldn't have even been in the game by half time. I give them credit for winning, but the Griz basically beat themselves, and Woffard took advantage of a team that was clearly looking ahead.

No way. The Griz were extremely overrated. Even my 3 yr old will tell you that. They won several games by the skin of their teeth. Yes, they were better than the Cats this year and they won that one straight out - no excuses. But they barely skated thru undefeated. Then they meet a team of a very high caliber and could not "just barely" win again.

Wofford won the game - period. They ran an offense that the Griz couldn't defend. Sure, the Griz didn't capitalize at times they should have, but give Wofford some credit there as well. Who was stopping them? Wofford.

Maybe Wofford will prove me wrong, but I think they get beat by 3 TD's this coming week.

I think the Griz were unfocused for a couple reasons:

1. They had just won a big emotional game the week before = let down for the following week.

2. They were playing a southern option team in Missoula, in late November, in 20-degree weather = huge potential to overlook a team.

Had the griz been focused, they would have allowed 150 yards rushing, not 300+. The Griz had so many guys on defense that just wouldn't stick to their responsibility in the option - it was so obvious on just the tv coverage. Game film will show major responsibility break downs - even more than tv. After the first quarter, Wofford had nothin'...until the Griz were panicking on the last Wofford TD...again, lack of game focus.

And still they had a chance to win the game, and Carpenter had an uncharacteristic miss -

Wofford dodged a bullet...the friggin' coach knew it and he pretty much said as much in the post-game.

[Bleedinbluengold]

I don't think the Griz were overrated

I think the reason the Griz are "overrated" is because of a few loud mouth fans that post BS on every board (AGS, BN, EG, etc). I think BH does a good job, says the right things (better than 5 yrs ago, "State" comes to mind), and has his kids do/say the right thing (for the most part).

If I were a Cat fan (I am, for all but 1 game a year) or a Wofford fan, I can see why we're hated so much. Every team has them, sadly. I think Griz nation is so big that our 5% of dumb-azz fans are a lot more than the Cats 5% or most others 5%.

On to hoops...I hope the BSC tourney is somewhere in MT.

I don't think any team that goes undefeated in any FCS conference can be overrated. Sure, the Griz played a patsy non-conference schedule, but no matter what anyone says, beating every big sky team makes up for a weak non-conference schedule.

Maybe the Griz weren't the #3 or #4 team in the nation, but they were certainly top 8 and they are certainly better than Wofford - except for last Saturday!

[cats2506]

on the Griz vs Wofford

On D the griz got beat plain and simple, when the option is executed like they did it is almost impossable to stop and the griz never had a chance.

On Offense the griz could have won this game, It looked like the passing game was there all day, but instead they played it safe and ran lex and did the short passed and they got beat by a middle of the road defense.

The griz played under their talent all year, BH and staff screwed them out of their chance this year. I feel that they really did have one of the more talented complete teams this year.

Personally, I hope BH stays for many more years, the griz will decline faster IMO.

[John K]

on the Griz vs Wofford

On D the griz got beat plain and simple, when the option is executed like they did it is almost impossable to stop and the griz never had a chance.

On Offense the griz could have won this game, It looked like the passing game was there all day, but instead they played it safe and ran lex and did the short passed and they got beat by a middle of the road defense.

The griz played under their talent all year, BH and staff screwed them out of their chance this year. I feel that they really did have one of the more talented complete teams this year.

Personally, I hope BH stays for many more years, the griz will decline faster IMO.

I posted this on another thread already, but this stat validates your comments about BH and UM. In playoff games at Wa-Griz from 1989-2002 (Read, Dennehy, Glenn) Griz were 17-2....in playoff games at Wa-Griz since 2003 (Hauck) Griz are only 5-4. I think that instead of expanding our stadium, installing turf, or whatever, the best way for MSU's football program to spend their money, would be to supplement Hauck's salary at UM....ensuring that he stays there a very long time.

[Bleedinbluengold]

I wish the Cats were 5-4 in the playoffs since 2003.

Here's to Coach Ash having at least 9 playoff games in his first 5 years.

[AlphaGriz1]

The Griz defense held a team that averages 38 points a game to 23, how is that getting beat?

Last year we held UMass to 19 on our defense.

We lost to Wofford because our offense cannot score points and our coach is more than happy to kick FG's.

TD's win games not FG's

[cats2506]

The Griz defense held a team that averages 38 points a game to 23, how is that getting beat?

Last year we held UMass to 19 on our defense.

We lost to Wofford because our offense cannot score points and our coach is more than happy to kick FG's.

TD's win games not FG's

A fumble and 2 interceptions. I guess we could give credit to the griz D for those, but both interceptions were really bad decisions by them. They rank with rolo trying that little flip pass that was intercepted.

Correct me if I'm wrong but they had 3 drives end in TO's (2 bad decisions) 1 punt and 1 turnover on downs.

If they hadn't thrown those passes they would have scored twice more IMO. I also think they may have got screwed on the spot on the turn over on downs.

You are right that the O did not score, and that is what really lost the game. your O could have won that game for you

Just my opinion, not going to argue with you about it.