J. Washington kicked off Griz football team

[Cledus]

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles ... ington.txt

I guess that's what you get for standing up for yourself.

[BWahlberg]

I guess that's what you get for standing up for yourself.

Unless you know the full story from both sides I think should hesitate to make that judgement. I'm sorry to see Jason go, he was a great guy does a lot for Missoula as a community. But if you break team rules and have an attitude problem, you're not going to stay on the team.

Someone else on egriz made a point too about this action:

Maybe that's how you prevent the crap that's happening in Bozeman.

[longhorn_22]

I guess that's what you get for standing up for yourself.

Unless you know the full story from both sides I think should hesitate to make that judgement. I'm sorry to see Jason go, he was a great guy does a lot for Missoula as a community. But if you break team rules and have an attitude problem, you're not going to stay on the team.

Someone else on egriz made a point too about this action:

Maybe that's how you prevent the crap that's happening in Bozeman.

Always have to take a shot at Bozeman. Good ol' egriz.

[Cledus]

I guess that's what you get for standing up for yourself.

Unless you know the full story from both sides I think should hesitate to make that judgement. I'm sorry to see Jason go, he was a great guy does a lot for Missoula as a community. But if you break team rules and have an attitude problem, you're not going to stay on the team.

Someone else on egriz made a point too about this action:

Maybe that's how you prevent the crap that's happening in Bozeman.

So you prevent the crap that's happening in Bozeman by kicking a guy off the team who's seeking his second degree? Are people who seek more than one college degree typically been some kind of threat? A guy who, by the account of numerous Griz fans, has been a credit to the community?

There's no question we're not getting both sides of the story. However, it appears Washington felt so strongly about his position he decided to talk to the press. Given the context, I interpret his response to mean he's concerned the stigma of being kicked off the team could damage his reputation.

[tampa_griz]

I guess that's what you get for standing up for yourself.

Unless you know the full story from both sides I think should hesitate to make that judgement. I'm sorry to see Jason go, he was a great guy does a lot for Missoula as a community. But if you break team rules and have an attitude problem, you're not going to stay on the team.

Someone else on egriz made a point too about this action:

Maybe that's how you prevent the crap that's happening in Bozeman.

So you prevent the crap that's happening in Bozeman by kicking a guy off the team who's seeking his second degree? Are people who seek more than one college degree typically been some kind of threat? A guy who, by the account of numerous Griz fans, has been a credit to the community?

There's no question we're not getting both sides of the story. However, it appears Washington felt so strongly about his position he decided to talk to the press. Given the context, I interpret his response to mean he's concerned the stigma of being kicked off the team could damage his reputation.

It's sad that JW's career as a Griz had to end like this. But it won't matter. I'm sure he'll be successful in any of his future endeavors.

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

[El_Gato]

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

A lot easier to make an example of the last kid on the bench versus, say, Lex Hilliard.

Not taking a shot at Lex nor accusing him of anything but seriously, the only playing time JW was going to see this year was as a WR in the 4th quarter of a blowout.

Serious question: Was JW popular with his teammates? Is this something that might damage the Griz's team chemistry? griz fan perspective?

[Hell's Bells]

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

A lot easier to make an example of the last kid on the bench versus, say, Lex Hilliard.

Not taking a shot at Lex nor accusing him of anything but seriously, the only playing time JW was going to see this year was as a WR in the 4th quarter of a blowout.

Serious question: Was JW popular with his teammates? Is this something that might damage the Griz's team chemistry? griz fan perspective?

with all that he has done within the community why kick him off? a guy like JW only makes your program look good.

[CelticCat]

Well if egrizzers think kicking a guy off the team is the solution, then how the hell can they blame Kramer for having EX-players get in trouble? Can't have it both ways.

[tampa_griz]

Well if egrizzers think kicking a guy off the team is the solution, then how the hell can they blame Kramer for having EX-players get in trouble? Can't have it both ways.

I'm not sure how Hauck's firing of JW correlates in any real way to Kramer's departure.

I'm also not sure how many "egrizzers" were calling for Kramer's head after Gatewood's arrest. But to be fair to anyone that did, the activity wasn't completely confined to EX-players.

[BozoneCat]

It's sad that JW's career as a Griz had to end like this. But it won't matter. I'm sure he'll be successful in any of his future endeavors.

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

I think there is a pretty telling double standard here. Jason Washington, a good kid by most accounts, gets kicked off the team under questionable circumstances from what amounts to a disagreement with Coach Hack. Has everyone already forgotten that Beavis kicked off Craig Chambers under far worse (by most accounts) circumstances, then reneged on that and supposedly reduced the suspension to only the first three games... which, oh by the way, they will hardly break a sweat while playing. I would have had far more respect (that is to say, any at all) for Hack if he had stuck to his guns and kicked Chambers off the team.

[tampa_griz]

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

A lot easier to make an example of the last kid on the bench versus, say, Lex Hilliard.

Not taking a shot at Lex nor accusing him of anything but seriously, the only playing time JW was going to see this year was as a WR in the 4th quarter of a blowout.

Serious question: Was JW popular with his teammates? Is this something that might damage the Griz's team chemistry? griz fan perspective?

with all that he has done within the community why kick him off? a guy like JW only makes your program look good.

I understand what you're saying. It'd be much easier for everyone if Jason was a jerk. But he's a good egg. But even though Jason's a good egg, Hauck's first responsibility is to run Griz football. If Jason wasn't complying with one of his instructions, then he has to be let go.

[tampa_griz]

It's sad that JW's career as a Griz had to end like this. But it won't matter. I'm sure he'll be successful in any of his future endeavors.

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

I think there is a pretty telling double standard here. Jason Washington, a good kid by most accounts, gets kicked off the team under questionable circumstances from what amounts to a disagreement with Coach Hack. Has everyone already forgotten that Beavis kicked off Craig Chambers under far worse (by most accounts) circumstances, then reneged on that and supposedly reduced the suspension to only the first three games... which, oh by the way, they will hardly break a sweat while playing. I would have had far more respect (that is to say, any at all) for Hack if he had stuck to his guns and kicked Chambers off the team.

I'm glad you brought that up because I was thinking the same thing. Assuming the rumors surrounding CC's suspension are true (being in the same bar/restaurant as a coach and refusing to leave), I wonder if CC made a sincere apology and promised to correct his behavior. I don't how that's "far worse conditions" but perhaps instead Washington told Hauck he wasn't going to go along with his instructions at all.

We'll never because Hauck himself won't talk about discipline and he shouldn't.

[BozoneCat]

It's sad that JW's career as a Griz had to end like this. But it won't matter. I'm sure he'll be successful in any of his future endeavors.

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

I think there is a pretty telling double standard here. Jason Washington, a good kid by most accounts, gets kicked off the team under questionable circumstances from what amounts to a disagreement with Coach Hack. Has everyone already forgotten that Beavis kicked off Craig Chambers under far worse (by most accounts) circumstances, then reneged on that and supposedly reduced the suspension to only the first three games... which, oh by the way, they will hardly break a sweat while playing. I would have had far more respect (that is to say, any at all) for Hack if he had stuck to his guns and kicked Chambers off the team.

I'm glad you brought that up because I was thinking the same thing. Assuming the rumors surrounding CC's suspension are true (being in the same bar/restaurant as a coach and refusing to leave), I wonder if CC made a sincere apology and promised to correct his behavior. I don't how that's "far worse conditions" but perhaps instead Washington told Hauck he wasn't going to go along with his instructions at all.

We'll never because Hauck himself won't talk about discipline and he shouldn't.

I guess my statement of "far worse conditions" was coming from what I heard happened, which is that CC and the assistant coach got into quite a heated argument at the bar, then things blew up again when he was called in to discuss the situation. Maybe that isn't totally fair or accurate to say that is far worse - but it certainly doesn't sound much different from what happened with Washington.

For what it is worth, I tend to agree with the Jimmy Johnson theory of coaching. Like it or not, star players are going to get different treatment. That is true in most areas in real life as well.

[tampa_griz]

It's sad that JW's career as a Griz had to end like this. But it won't matter. I'm sure he'll be successful in any of his future endeavors.

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

I think there is a pretty telling double standard here. Jason Washington, a good kid by most accounts, gets kicked off the team under questionable circumstances from what amounts to a disagreement with Coach Hack. Has everyone already forgotten that Beavis kicked off Craig Chambers under far worse (by most accounts) circumstances, then reneged on that and supposedly reduced the suspension to only the first three games... which, oh by the way, they will hardly break a sweat while playing. I would have had far more respect (that is to say, any at all) for Hack if he had stuck to his guns and kicked Chambers off the team.

I'm glad you brought that up because I was thinking the same thing. Assuming the rumors surrounding CC's suspension are true (being in the same bar/restaurant as a coach and refusing to leave), I wonder if CC made a sincere apology and promised to correct his behavior. I don't how that's "far worse conditions" but perhaps instead Washington told Hauck he wasn't going to go along with his instructions at all.

We'll never because Hauck himself won't talk about discipline and he shouldn't.

I guess my statement of "far worse conditions" was coming from what I heard happened, which is that CC and the assistant coach got into quite a heated argument at the bar, then things blew up again when he was called in to discuss the situation. Maybe that isn't totally fair or accurate to say that is far worse - but it certainly doesn't sound much different from what happened with Washington.

For what it is worth, I tend to agree with the Jimmy Johnson theory of coaching. Like it or not, star players are going to get different treatment. That is true in most areas in real life as well.

Naturally. In my field those that produce results often get special passes. Craig's abilities probably had a lot to do with his retention. But it's also safe to say he's probably on a very short leash.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

It's sad that JW's career as a Griz had to end like this. But it won't matter. I'm sure he'll be successful in any of his future endeavors.

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

I think there is a pretty telling double standard here. Jason Washington, a good kid by most accounts, gets kicked off the team under questionable circumstances from what amounts to a disagreement with Coach Hack. Has everyone already forgotten that Beavis kicked off Craig Chambers under far worse (by most accounts) circumstances, then reneged on that and supposedly reduced the suspension to only the first three games... which, oh by the way, they will hardly break a sweat while playing. I would have had far more respect (that is to say, any at all) for Hack if he had stuck to his guns and kicked Chambers off the team.

Makes you wonder doesn't it? I thought the same thing. I guess it just depends on if your a starter or the end of the bench if you going to get kicked off or not. Double standard.

[Topher]

It's sad that JW's career as a Griz had to end like this. But it won't matter. I'm sure he'll be successful in any of his future endeavors.

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

I think there is a pretty telling double standard here. Jason Washington, a good kid by most accounts, gets kicked off the team under questionable circumstances from what amounts to a disagreement with Coach Hack. Has everyone already forgotten that Beavis kicked off Craig Chambers under far worse (by most accounts) circumstances, then reneged on that and supposedly reduced the suspension to only the first three games... which, oh by the way, they will hardly break a sweat while playing. I would have had far more respect (that is to say, any at all) for Hack if he had stuck to his guns and kicked Chambers off the team.

Makes you wonder doesn't it? I thought the same thing. I guess it just depends on if your a starter or the end of the bench if you going to get kicked off or not. Double standard.

It sounds like Chambers did get kicked off though...It also sounds like he admitted he was wrong and this led to him getting his position on the team back...Again this is all heresay

Lets wait and see what JW's response is before we brand it a double standard, because right now he is in the same position Chamber's was, however I assume JW's communication with the press might have him out for good in Coach Hauck's book. If I am certain of anything, it is that Bobby Hauck likes to keep anything and everything in house.

[HelenaCat]

It's sad that JW's career as a Griz had to end like this. But it won't matter. I'm sure he'll be successful in any of his future endeavors.

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

I think there is a pretty telling double standard here. Jason Washington, a good kid by most accounts, gets kicked off the team under questionable circumstances from what amounts to a disagreement with Coach Hack. Has everyone already forgotten that Beavis kicked off Craig Chambers under far worse (by most accounts) circumstances, then reneged on that and supposedly reduced the suspension to only the first three games... which, oh by the way, they will hardly break a sweat while playing. I would have had far more respect (that is to say, any at all) for Hack if he had stuck to his guns and kicked Chambers off the team.

Makes you wonder doesn't it? I thought the same thing. I guess it just depends on if your a starter or the end of the bench if you going to get kicked off or not. Double standard.

It sounds like Chambers did get kicked off though...It also sounds like he admitted he was wrong and this led to him getting his position on the team back...Again this is all heresay

Lets wait and see what JW's response is before we brand it a double standard, because right now he is in the same position Chamber's was, however I assume JW's communication with the press might have him out for good in Coach Hauck's book. If I am certain of anything, it is that Bobby Hauck likes to keep anything and everything in house.

It already sounds final to me. I got the impression that this happened right after spring ball. If JW did not come out until now, it seems he may have done that as his last shot back for what he feels was unfair. Based (only on JW's side of the story, I admit), it sure sounds like it was unfair to JW. If Hack announces a super 1A transfer in the next couple of months (using JW's Schollie), I will really wonder.

[GrizinWashington]

It's sad that JW's career as a Griz had to end like this. But it won't matter. I'm sure he'll be successful in any of his future endeavors.

But if he broke team rules Hauck had no choice but to kick him off of the team. In the end it seems BH gives his players a choice......follow the rules and be a part of this program.....or ignore the rules and leave the program. It sets a tone and an atmosphere of no bullsh*t. Even if you're a great guy, a great player, etc.......you can be thrown off for insubordination. If Hauck is going to be responsible for the Griz football program then he has to be allowed to do things his way.

I think there is a pretty telling double standard here. Jason Washington, a good kid by most accounts, gets kicked off the team under questionable circumstances from what amounts to a disagreement with Coach Hack. Has everyone already forgotten that Beavis kicked off Craig Chambers under far worse (by most accounts) circumstances, then reneged on that and supposedly reduced the suspension to only the first three games... which, oh by the way, they will hardly break a sweat while playing. I would have had far more respect (that is to say, any at all) for Hack if he had stuck to his guns and kicked Chambers off the team.

Makes you wonder doesn't it? I thought the same thing. I guess it just depends on if your a starter or the end of the bench if you going to get kicked off or not. Double standard.

It sounds like Chambers did get kicked off though...It also sounds like he admitted he was wrong and this led to him getting his position on the team back...Again this is all heresay

Lets wait and see what JW's response is before we brand it a double standard, because right now he is in the same position Chamber's was, however I assume JW's communication with the press might have him out for good in Coach Hauck's book. If I am certain of anything, it is that Bobby Hauck likes to keep anything and everything in house.

It already sounds final to me. I got the impression that this happened right after spring ball. If JW did not come out until now, it seems he may have done that as his last shot back for what he feels was unfair. Based (only on JW's side of the story, I admit), it sure sounds like it was unfair to JW. If Hack announces a super 1A transfer in the next couple of months (using JW's Schollie), I will really wonder.

There isn't a scholaship to give. JW is allowed to keep his, which I think is a pretty classy move by BH.

The senior-to-be will keep his scholarship through the coming school year.

[Ponycat]

There isn't a scholaship to give. JW is allowed to keep his, which I think is a pretty classy move by BH.

The senior-to-be will keep his scholarship through the coming school year.

The article I read made is sound like the University made that decision, not Hauck. Either way a good decision.

[HelenaCat95]

Quote from the article:

"Washington said he had concerns about going beyond the NCAA limit of eight hours per week for offseason training. He stressed the treatments were voluntary and that he did not miss one, and said a hamstring injury precluded him from the conditioning drills.

"He kicked me off the team for not showing up for a punishing workout on Saturday and Sunday at 6 a.m.," Washington said. "I didn't agree with it, I had a pulled hamstring at the time. When am I supposed to do it? I can't practice, and you're going to make me run?"

If what Washington is saying is true, then the NCAA may want to look at the way "voluntary" workouts are treated at UM.