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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by [cat_bracket] » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:33 am

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Cat Grad wrote:Really a shame. Seems bizarre to me because I've walked through construction sites with my family looking at the floorplans. Maybe it was the beer the kids took that upset the owners? Personally, I'm glad nothing more came out of it. Must have been a few six packs of Copper Johns Ale from Belgrade instead of that other horse pizz brewed in missoula. (And if you're going to suggest it was Cold Smoke Bridger Bowl Ale, nope, don't think so. Even a griz football player would understand that's a plagerized from MSU...and don't make fun about plagerism given one of their graduates who became a senator...)...
Really, you've walked thru "construction sites" with your family in the dark by climbing a ladder and entering thru a window at 3am? I doubt that.

As for GA's post of excuses... For who stole the beer, of COURSE the non-football player was the one who stole it... I imagine I'd take the rap for my scholarshipped friends as well. There's no way to know who stole it for certain. And I don't doubt that they didn't know the house was occupied - this has nothing to do with itr, burglars and trespassers alike generally prefer unoccupied places.

Having said that, i do think misdemeanor trespass is the correct charge from what I know.

But has there ever in history been a prosecutor who worked harder for defendants than Kirsten Pabst?? Wow! If I'm ever charged with felony burglary in a similar incident, can I expect the DA to delay my arraignment twice while she investigates the charges, and within a few days, reduce my charges to misdemeanor trespass? HELL no. If the cops charged me with a felony, I'd have to lawyer up, plead not guilty to buy time, then my lawyer would have to negotiate the charges down or work out a plea bargain over several weeks at least. But I don't play football in Missoula...
With a prosecutor like Kirsten Pabst, who needs defense lawyers (if you're a griz football player, anyway).
With a DA like Pabst, surely she could have quit her job (again) and defended the football players (again).


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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by Granger » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:35 am

Well, I'm certain if these guys were from Arlee, they would get the same deal in the same timeframe. Right.



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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by Sportin' Life » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:54 am

[cat_bracket] wrote:Remember what Cris Carter tells NFL rookies? Well, looks like that message might've trickled down to the FCS. "Just in case y'all not going to decide to do the right thing, if y'all got a crew, you got to have a fall guy in the crew." I love it. It was the non_player that took the case of beer!!

Of course I'll be labeled (re-labeled) a Grizoner hater for noting this. :lol:
I will have to ask my wife when she isn't busy, but I can't really see how that matters. If I go out with my buddies and break in to a place and one of them takes something, aren't we all going to get charged with burglary? I thought being involved with this sort of thing was enough to get a person charged. Don't get me wrong, I am glad if this won't ruin these kids' lives, but it seems fishy to me. Maybe it is due to the fact that the place was under construction, so it wasn't technically occupied that kept it from being burglary. But given the fact that it scared the crap out of the family that seems to go directly against the spirit of the law -- the 'occupied' part was probably written into the law just to punish people who broke into people's places and scared the crap out the them. Anyways, here is the statute for the armchair cops or lawyers:


Montana Code Annotated 2015
45-6-204. Burglary. (1) A person commits the offense of burglary if the person knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in an occupied structure and:
(a) the person has the purpose to commit an offense in the occupied structure; or
(b) the person knowingly or purposely commits any other offense within that structure.
(2) A person commits the offense of aggravated burglary if the person knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in an occupied structure and:
(a) (i) the person has the purpose to commit an offense in the occupied structure; or
(ii) the person knowingly or purposely commits any other offense within that structure; and
(b) in effecting entry or in the course of committing the offense or in immediate flight after effecting entry or committing the offense:
(i) the person or another participant in the offense is armed with explosives or a weapon; or
(ii) the person purposely, knowingly, or negligently inflicts or attempts to inflict bodily injury upon anyone.
(3) A person convicted of the offense of burglary shall be imprisoned in the state prison for any term not to exceed 20 years or be fined an amount not to exceed $50,000, or both. A person convicted of the offense of aggravated burglary shall be imprisoned in the state prison for any term not to exceed 40 years or be fined an amount not to exceed $50,000, or both.


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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by 91catAlum » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:02 am

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[cat_bracket] wrote:Remember what Cris Carter tells NFL rookies? Well, looks like that message might've trickled down to the FCS. "Just in case y'all not going to decide to do the right thing, if y'all got a crew, you got to have a fall guy in the crew." I love it. It was the non_player that took the case of beer!!

Of course I'll be labeled (re-labeled) a Grizoner hater for noting this. [emoji38]
I will have to ask my wife when she isn't busy, but I can't really see how that matters. If I go out with my buddies and break in to a place and one of them takes something, aren't we all going to get charged with burglary? I thought being involved with this sort of thing was enough to get a person charged. Don't get me wrong, I am glad if this won't ruin these kids' lives, but it seems fishy to me. Maybe it is due to the fact that the place was under construction, so it wasn't technically occupied that kept it from being burglary. But given the fact that it scared the crap out of the family that seems to go directly against the spirit of the law -- the 'occupied' part was probably written into the law just to punish people who broke into people's places and scared the crap out the them. Anyways, here is the statute for the armchair cops or lawyers:


Montana Code Annotated 2015
45-6-204. Burglary. (1) A person commits the offense of burglary if the person knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in an occupied structure and:
(a) the person has the purpose to commit an offense in the occupied structure; or
(b) the person knowingly or purposely commits any other offense within that structure.
(2) A person commits the offense of aggravated burglary if the person knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in an occupied structure and:
(a) (i) the person has the purpose to commit an offense in the occupied structure; or
(ii) the person knowingly or purposely commits any other offense within that structure; and
(b) in effecting entry or in the course of committing the offense or in immediate flight after effecting entry or committing the offense:
(i) the person or another participant in the offense is armed with explosives or a weapon; or
(ii) the person purposely, knowingly, or negligently inflicts or attempts to inflict bodily injury upon anyone.
(3) A person convicted of the offense of burglary shall be imprisoned in the state prison for any term not to exceed 20 years or be fined an amount not to exceed $50,000, or both. A person convicted of the offense of aggravated burglary shall be imprisoned in the state prison for any term not to exceed 40 years or be fined an amount not to exceed $50,000, or both.
Yes you're all going to be charged with burglary - but if one of the other guys says it was him and him alone who stole, your defense lawyer is gonna have a pretty good chance of having that charge dropped or reduced.


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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by Grizaddict » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:09 am

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Cat Grad wrote:Really a shame. Seems bizarre to me because I've walked through construction sites with my family looking at the floorplans. Maybe it was the beer the kids took that upset the owners? Personally, I'm glad nothing more came out of it. Must have been a few six packs of Copper Johns Ale from Belgrade instead of that other horse pizz brewed in missoula. (And if you're going to suggest it was Cold Smoke Bridger Bowl Ale, nope, don't think so. Even a griz football player would understand that's a plagerized from MSU...and don't make fun about plagerism given one of their graduates who became a senator...)...
Really, you've walked thru "construction sites" with your family in the dark by climbing a ladder and entering thru a window at 3am? I doubt that.

As for GA's post of excuses... For who stole the beer, of COURSE the non-football player was the one who stole it... I imagine I'd take the rap for my scholarshipped friends as well. There's no way to know who stole it for certain. And I don't doubt that they didn't know the house was occupied - this has nothing to do with itr, burglars and trespassers alike generally prefer unoccupied places.

Having said that, i do think misdemeanor trespass is the correct charge from what I know.

But has there ever in history been a prosecutor who worked harder for defendants than Kirsten Pabst?? Wow! If I'm ever charged with felony burglary in a similar incident, can I expect the DA to delay my arraignment twice while she investigates the charges, and within a few days, reduce my charges to misdemeanor trespass? HELL no. If the cops charged me with a felony, I'd have to lawyer up, plead not guilty to buy time, then my lawyer would have to negotiate the charges down or work out a plea bargain over several weeks at least. But I don't play football in Missoula...
With a prosecutor like Kirsten Pabst, who needs defense lawyers (if you're a griz football player, anyway).
I nominate this for Most Spot-On Post in board history.
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Ummmmm only it wasn't Pabst. It was the deputy county attorney:

"The four attorneys asked for a deferred imposition of sentence, but Deputy County Attorney Jason Marks asked for a significantly harsher penalty, requesting that Acting Justice of the Peace Shane Vannatta impose a six-month suspended sentence on the football players, and stipulated several conditions, including listening to the 9-1-1 call the family made to report the intrusion."

It's amazing what kind of information you can find when you actually read the article



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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by 91catAlum » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:14 am

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Cat Grad wrote:Really a shame. Seems bizarre to me because I've walked through construction sites with my family looking at the floorplans. Maybe it was the beer the kids took that upset the owners? Personally, I'm glad nothing more came out of it. Must have been a few six packs of Copper Johns Ale from Belgrade instead of that other horse pizz brewed in missoula. (And if you're going to suggest it was Cold Smoke Bridger Bowl Ale, nope, don't think so. Even a griz football player would understand that's a plagerized from MSU...and don't make fun about plagerism given one of their graduates who became a senator...)...
Really, you've walked thru "construction sites" with your family in the dark by climbing a ladder and entering thru a window at 3am? I doubt that.

As for GA's post of excuses... For who stole the beer, of COURSE the non-football player was the one who stole it... I imagine I'd take the rap for my scholarshipped friends as well. There's no way to know who stole it for certain. And I don't doubt that they didn't know the house was occupied - this has nothing to do with itr, burglars and trespassers alike generally prefer unoccupied places.

Having said that, i do think misdemeanor trespass is the correct charge from what I know.

But has there ever in history been a prosecutor who worked harder for defendants than Kirsten Pabst?? Wow! If I'm ever charged with felony burglary in a similar incident, can I expect the DA to delay my arraignment twice while she investigates the charges, and within a few days, reduce my charges to misdemeanor trespass? HELL no. If the cops charged me with a felony, I'd have to lawyer up, plead not guilty to buy time, then my lawyer would have to negotiate the charges down or work out a plea bargain over several weeks at least. But I don't play football in Missoula...
With a prosecutor like Kirsten Pabst, who needs defense lawyers (if you're a griz football player, anyway).
I nominate this for Most Spot-On Post in board history.
Thanks! It's an honor just to be nominated. ;)

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Ummmmm only it wasn't Pabst. It was the deputy county attorney:

"The four attorneys asked for a deferred imposition of sentence, but Deputy County Attorney Jason Marks asked for a significantly harsher penalty, requesting that Acting Justice of the Peace Shane Vannatta impose a six-month suspended sentence on the football players, and stipulated several conditions, including listening to the 9-1-1 call the family made to report the intrusion."

It's amazing what kind of information you can find when you actually read the article
So it was someone who works for Pabst? OK everywhere I said "Pabst", replace it with " Pabst's office."

And the news DID name Pabst earlier in the week as the one who delayed the arraignments and said her office was investigating the charges.


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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

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[cat_bracket] wrote:The side story is:
Is Pabst more corrupt than she is butt ugly or uglier than she is corrupt?
Are you impersonating a hyper-sexist Donald Trump right now?



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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by [cat_bracket] » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:27 am

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Cat Grad wrote:Really a shame. Seems bizarre to me because I've walked through construction sites with my family looking at the floorplans. Maybe it was the beer the kids took that upset the owners? Personally, I'm glad nothing more came out of it. Must have been a few six packs of Copper Johns Ale from Belgrade instead of that other horse pizz brewed in missoula. (And if you're going to suggest it was Cold Smoke Bridger Bowl Ale, nope, don't think so. Even a griz football player would understand that's a plagerized from MSU...and don't make fun about plagerism given one of their graduates who became a senator...)...
Really, you've walked thru "construction sites" with your family in the dark by climbing a ladder and entering thru a window at 3am? I doubt that.

As for GA's post of excuses... For who stole the beer, of COURSE the non-football player was the one who stole it... I imagine I'd take the rap for my scholarshipped friends as well. There's no way to know who stole it for certain. And I don't doubt that they didn't know the house was occupied - this has nothing to do with itr, burglars and trespassers alike generally prefer unoccupied places.

Having said that, i do think misdemeanor trespass is the correct charge from what I know.

But has there ever in history been a prosecutor who worked harder for defendants than Kirsten Pabst?? Wow! If I'm ever charged with felony burglary in a similar incident, can I expect the DA to delay my arraignment twice while she investigates the charges, and within a few days, reduce my charges to misdemeanor trespass? HELL no. If the cops charged me with a felony, I'd have to lawyer up, plead not guilty to buy time, then my lawyer would have to negotiate the charges down or work out a plea bargain over several weeks at least. But I don't play football in Missoula...
With a prosecutor like Kirsten Pabst, who needs defense lawyers (if you're a griz football player, anyway).
I nominate this for Most Spot-On Post in board history.
Thanks! It's an honor just to be nominated. ;)

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Ummmmm only it wasn't Pabst. It was the deputy county attorney:

"The four attorneys asked for a deferred imposition of sentence, but Deputy County Attorney Jason Marks asked for a significantly harsher penalty, requesting that Acting Justice of the Peace Shane Vannatta impose a six-month suspended sentence on the football players, and stipulated several conditions, including listening to the 9-1-1 call the family made to report the intrusion."

It's amazing what kind of information you can find when you actually read the article
You're really working overtime to spin this. Pabst said they needed more investivation, not Marks. She assigned one of deputies to the case, which is standard. He lowered the charges with her blessing or at her command. No one made a case that they also be charged with aiding and abetting theft.

Pabst is corrupt. Pabst is a diehard Grizoner fan. Season ticket holder. There's a bit of conflict of interest here.

You just need to come back and play your last card, which is call me/us Grizoner haters. But either way um loses on this. The lighter the penalties against the players the more people think um is bush league school that rates sports over academics. The more it does that the more quality students go somewhere else for their education. So keep not punishing anyone and MSU will keep taking those turned off by the apparent top goal of um, which is seems to be sports.



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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

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SonomaCat wrote:
[cat_bracket] wrote:The side story is:
Is Pabst more corrupt than she is butt ugly or uglier than she is corrupt?
Are you impersonating a hyper-sexist Donald Trump right now?
I am. I was wondering when someone was going to get that. Wait. Weren't you saying I do lousy impersonations a few months ago? :lol: [-X



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Post by SonomaCat » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:40 am

The charges seem reasonable. The initial $50,000 seems excessive so the families ended up paying a lot more in bondsman fees than many people who commit violent crimes.



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Post by kwcat » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:12 am

The Tomlinson kid that took the fall on the beer looks like an interesting kid.

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Says he's lost faith in humanity....So did he act alone on the beer mystery?

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SonomaCat wrote:The charges seem reasonable. The initial $50,000 seems excessive so the families ended up paying a lot more in bondsman fees than many people who commit violent crimes.
They're out $5,000 if they used a bondsman. Nothing if they had those funds available. All things considered (they're alive) the money seems trivial.



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SonomaCat wrote:The charges seem reasonable. The initial $50,000 seems excessive so the families ended up paying a lot more in bondsman fees than many people who commit violent crimes.
They're out $5,000 if they used a bondsman. Nothing if they had those funds available. All things considered (they're alive) the money seems trivial.
The money isn't trivial. Yes, they are fortunate they didn't get shot. Both things are true.



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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by Grizaddict » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:51 am

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Cat Grad wrote:Really a shame. Seems bizarre to me because I've walked through construction sites with my family looking at the floorplans. Maybe it was the beer the kids took that upset the owners? Personally, I'm glad nothing more came out of it. Must have been a few six packs of Copper Johns Ale from Belgrade instead of that other horse pizz brewed in missoula. (And if you're going to suggest it was Cold Smoke Bridger Bowl Ale, nope, don't think so. Even a griz football player would understand that's a plagerized from MSU...and don't make fun about plagerism given one of their graduates who became a senator...)...
Really, you've walked thru "construction sites" with your family in the dark by climbing a ladder and entering thru a window at 3am? I doubt that.

As for GA's post of excuses... For who stole the beer, of COURSE the non-football player was the one who stole it... I imagine I'd take the rap for my scholarshipped friends as well. There's no way to know who stole it for certain. And I don't doubt that they didn't know the house was occupied - this has nothing to do with itr, burglars and trespassers alike generally prefer unoccupied places.

Having said that, i do think misdemeanor trespass is the correct charge from what I know.

But has there ever in history been a prosecutor who worked harder for defendants than Kirsten Pabst?? Wow! If I'm ever charged with felony burglary in a similar incident, can I expect the DA to delay my arraignment twice while she investigates the charges, and within a few days, reduce my charges to misdemeanor trespass? HELL no. If the cops charged me with a felony, I'd have to lawyer up, plead not guilty to buy time, then my lawyer would have to negotiate the charges down or work out a plea bargain over several weeks at least. But I don't play football in Missoula...
With a prosecutor like Kirsten Pabst, who needs defense lawyers (if you're a griz football player, anyway).
I nominate this for Most Spot-On Post in board history.
Thanks! It's an honor just to be nominated. ;)

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Ummmmm only it wasn't Pabst. It was the deputy county attorney:

"The four attorneys asked for a deferred imposition of sentence, but Deputy County Attorney Jason Marks asked for a significantly harsher penalty, requesting that Acting Justice of the Peace Shane Vannatta impose a six-month suspended sentence on the football players, and stipulated several conditions, including listening to the 9-1-1 call the family made to report the intrusion."

It's amazing what kind of information you can find when you actually read the article
You're really working overtime to spin this. Pabst said they needed more investivation, not Marks. She assigned one of deputies to the case, which is standard. He lowered the charges with her blessing or at her command. No one made a case that they also be charged with aiding and abetting theft.

Pabst is corrupt. Pabst is a diehard Grizoner fan. Season ticket holder. There's a bit of conflict of interest here.

You just need to come back and play your last card, which is call me/us Grizoner haters. But either way um loses on this. The lighter the penalties against the players the more people think um is bush league school that rates sports over academics. The more it does that the more quality students go somewhere else for their education. So keep not punishing anyone and MSU will keep taking those turned off by the apparent top goal of um, which is seems to be sports.
I'm sorry if you feel that I'm trying to spin any of this. That's definitely not my intent as I've just been listing all the facts. Please go back through my posts and you'll see that all of it is factual information.

Based on what you're saying, Pabst is corrupt and is favoring the Griz here. Sorry but I can't buy that. That means you feel given all of the information and facts available in this case, that she should have proceeded with the original felony burglary charge? Because her office drops the charges that makes her corrupt? I'd argue that makes her smart because she saw that there was definitely no case or grounds for such a high penalty. You also stated that these kids were not punished. Do you feel that they truly were not punished in any of this? I think they were overly-punished when you look at the initial police response, initial state headlines, and initial charges. Couple all that with suspension from all football activities and possible game/games/season suspension and it gets even worse. What would you have liked to see for punishment? More than all that? Would you still feel that way if these kids' names were Prukop, Griebel, and Flynn? I'm guessing not so much.



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Post by Sportin' Life » Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:10 pm

I honestly don't know if there was any sort of a plea deal here, but even if the original charges of felony burglary were applicable, it is probably more than acceptable for the state to drop the charges in exchange for the guilty plea and the punishment that the guys got. I don't come away from this incident feeling like anyone got away with anything.


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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by Cat Grad » Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:38 pm

For crying out loud! We have a basketball player who shoplifted and we're putting a bunch of kids down for swiping rot gut beer!!!! Both of these cases are bringing out the same type of fanbase as the ones who yelled so loudly about the Heisman quarterback from Florida State. I can't believe we have so many of our fans wanting a bunch of dumbass college kids hung from the rafters in missoula saying crap like "I hope he learned something and becomes a better man" concerning our kid! I seriously doubt Dick Fields does much to our basketball player. Lord, look at the blotter report of any college town and take a chill pill. I'm concerned about the blood pressure of some of you.



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Post by GRIZ1STCATS2ND » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:27 pm

Really disappointed at many of these comments. Many of you guys really do hate the Griz, don't you?



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Post by 91catAlum » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:31 pm

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Not sure who you are addressing here. Nobody "put down" the kids. Pretty much everybody here agrees that the trespassing charges are appropriate.

I just think it's an interesting path that got this situation to its conclusion yesterday, as far as the prosecutor rather than a defense attorney doing the arraignment delays and pre-arraignment investigation. I don't recall seeing something like that before. So yes I question Pabst's objectivity.

But in the end, it worked out fairly IMO.

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GRIZ1STCATS2ND wrote:Really disappointed at many of these comments. Many of you guys really do hate the Griz, don't you?
:lol: :lol:

Hate is a very strong word. Loathe, pity, contempt, ridicule, dislike or mock are a few words that come to mind. But hate? Nope. And ultimately, were many "enlightened" or "knowledgeable" individuals who claim allegiance to either institution (and many ought to be institutionalized based upon their "rational"posts) to leave this site for a time to return after a while, they may realize there are a few posters who enjoy putting a quarter in them just to get their reactions. Lighten up Francis comes to mind but they then start foaming at the mouth...too much time on their hands... :D



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Re: 3 Griz Arrested

Post by [cat_bracket] » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:46 pm

Grizaddict wrote:
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Cat Grad wrote:Really a shame. Seems bizarre to me because I've walked through construction sites with my family looking at the floorplans. Maybe it was the beer the kids took that upset the owners? Personally, I'm glad nothing more came out of it. Must have been a few six packs of Copper Johns Ale from Belgrade instead of that other horse pizz brewed in missoula. (And if you're going to suggest it was Cold Smoke Bridger Bowl Ale, nope, don't think so. Even a griz football player would understand that's a plagerized from MSU...and don't make fun about plagerism given one of their graduates who became a senator...)...
Really, you've walked thru "construction sites" with your family in the dark by climbing a ladder and entering thru a window at 3am? I doubt that.

As for GA's post of excuses... For who stole the beer, of COURSE the non-football player was the one who stole it... I imagine I'd take the rap for my scholarshipped friends as well. There's no way to know who stole it for certain. And I don't doubt that they didn't know the house was occupied - this has nothing to do with itr, burglars and trespassers alike generally prefer unoccupied places.

Having said that, i do think misdemeanor trespass is the correct charge from what I know.

But has there ever in history been a prosecutor who worked harder for defendants than Kirsten Pabst?? Wow! If I'm ever charged with felony burglary in a similar incident, can I expect the DA to delay my arraignment twice while she investigates the charges, and within a few days, reduce my charges to misdemeanor trespass? HELL no. If the cops charged me with a felony, I'd have to lawyer up, plead not guilty to buy time, then my lawyer would have to negotiate the charges down or work out a plea bargain over several weeks at least. But I don't play football in Missoula...
With a prosecutor like Kirsten Pabst, who needs defense lawyers (if you're a griz football player, anyway).
I nominate this for Most Spot-On Post in board history.
Thanks! It's an honor just to be nominated. ;)

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Ummmmm only it wasn't Pabst. It was the deputy county attorney:

"The four attorneys asked for a deferred imposition of sentence, but Deputy County Attorney Jason Marks asked for a significantly harsher penalty, requesting that Acting Justice of the Peace Shane Vannatta impose a six-month suspended sentence on the football players, and stipulated several conditions, including listening to the 9-1-1 call the family made to report the intrusion."

It's amazing what kind of information you can find when you actually read the article
You're really working overtime to spin this. Pabst said they needed more investivation, not Marks. She assigned one of deputies to the case, which is standard. He lowered the charges with her blessing or at her command. No one made a case that they also be charged with aiding and abetting theft.

Pabst is corrupt. Pabst is a diehard Grizoner fan. Season ticket holder. There's a bit of conflict of interest here.

You just need to come back and play your last card, which is call me/us Grizoner haters. But either way um loses on this. The lighter the penalties against the players the more people think um is bush league school that rates sports over academics. The more it does that the more quality students go somewhere else for their education. So keep not punishing anyone and MSU will keep taking those turned off by the apparent top goal of um, which is seems to be sports.
I'm sorry if you feel that I'm trying to spin any of this. That's definitely not my intent as I've just been listing all the facts. Please go back through my posts and you'll see that all of it is factual information.

Based on what you're saying, Pabst is corrupt and is favoring the Griz here. Sorry but I can't buy that. That means you feel given all of the information and facts available in this case, that she should have proceeded with the original felony burglary charge? Because her office drops the charges that makes her corrupt? I'd argue that makes her smart because she saw that there was definitely no case or grounds for such a high penalty. You also stated that these kids were not punished. Do you feel that they truly were not punished in any of this? I think they were overly-punished when you look at the initial police response, initial state headlines, and initial charges. Couple all that with suspension from all football activities and possible game/games/season suspension and it gets even worse. What would you have liked to see for punishment? More than all that? Would you still feel that way if these kids' names were Prukop, Griebel, and Flynn? I'm guessing not so much.
Yes the felony charge was incorrect, but to let the theft charge slide (they were there and there's no testimony that they didn't tell Tomlinson not to do it, they wanted some free beer too, Tomlinson wasn't going to drink it all) is not holding them responsible. I would Prukop and any Cat player charged and disciplined appropriately as I feel that's the best way to uphold MSU's standards and prevent future issues.

The um officials need to address the theft and beer consumption along with the trespassing or I'll feel it hasn't been dealt with properly. If they use the lost bail money as an excuse or replacement for lost playing time it will send a poor message.



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