Oregon vs. UC Davis

[WeedKillinCat]

Prukop listed as the #21 best QB in the country.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/ ... P#image=21

Pretty interesting. I also noticed that no FCS quarterbacks were on the list. I have to believe his chances of a pro career are improved with the increased national exposure.

If you think Prukop has any chance at a pro career as a QB, I want whatever it is you're drinking!

Why are people so anxious to take a shot at this kid? My comment was that the national exposure will help his chances at a pro career. Somebody takes that as an opportunity criticicize his abilities. Ridiculous.

Given that MSUhunter may have experience as a pro scout (sarcasm intended), who would want a 6'2" QB who is a leader, smart and superbly athletic with speed and a strong arm???... Wait a second.... Isn't Russell Wilson only 5'11"?

It's kind of strange, in the year following the NDSU QB being the #2 overall pick in the NFL draft, that people still try to make it sound like being in the FCS is in some way holding players back from getting drafted. If you are good enough to get drafted, you will get drafted. NFL scouts are good at their jobs and are very thorough -- they don't miss players simply because they aren't playing for the schools with the biggest media followings. The "national exposure" makes players more visible to the press and to fans, but not to the scouts ... the scouts are already aware of FCS players ... especially ones that are getting national FCS honors.

Not only was he FCS, but he missed a lot of games due to injury.

Prukop had a very good game last night.

Prukop looked really good. Very deliberate with his throws and hand offs. Makes me miss him here in Bozeman. It'll be interesting to see how he does against Nebraska on Saturday.

[SonomaCat]

Prukop listed as the #21 best QB in the country.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/ ... P#image=21

Pretty interesting. I also noticed that no FCS quarterbacks were on the list. I have to believe his chances of a pro career are improved with the increased national exposure.

If you think Prukop has any chance at a pro career as a QB, I want whatever it is you're drinking!

Why are people so anxious to take a shot at this kid? My comment was that the national exposure will help his chances at a pro career. Somebody takes that as an opportunity criticicize his abilities. Ridiculous.

Given that MSUhunter may have experience as a pro scout (sarcasm intended), who would want a 6'2" QB who is a leader, smart and superbly athletic with speed and a strong arm???... Wait a second.... Isn't Russell Wilson only 5'11"?

It's kind of strange, in the year following the NDSU QB being the #2 overall pick in the NFL draft, that people still try to make it sound like being in the FCS is in some way holding players back from getting drafted. If you are good enough to get drafted, you will get drafted. NFL scouts are good at their jobs and are very thorough -- they don't miss players simply because they aren't playing for the schools with the biggest media followings. The "national exposure" makes players more visible to the press and to fans, but not to the scouts ... the scouts are already aware of FCS players ... especially ones that are getting national FCS honors.

You are correct that NFL scouts find prospects at every level. MT Tech had a guy get a free agent deal two years ago. But there are definitely benefits to playing at a higher level. The one knock on Carson Wentz was he did not play against big time competition. Clearly, Dakota is playing at a higher level of competition at Oregon. It can only improve his marketability to scouts playing at Oregon versus in the Big Sky.

Also, Wentz was a completely different scenario than Prukop. Wentz has all the physical attributes while Dakota does not have the prototype body. To think he does not get more exposure and improve his stock at Oregon is being naive. If it didn't matter, FCS would have all kinds of NFL players versus playing at the FBS level. The exposure for Prukop could be the difference between being a free agent signee or a draft pick.

I'm not naïve at all ... it could just as easily hurt his stock being at Oregon. He may not shine against the tough defenses that are coming on their schedule (their schedule so far has been incredibly weak). Any stats he gets may be chalked up to the system and he may not get credit for them with the scouts (for all of the stats that Oregon has put up over the years by QBs, they haven't had a stellar record of putting successful QBs into the NFL, and that does play into the minds of scouts).

If he performs at a super high level at Oregon, it will help him get drafted.

Had he stayed at MSU at played at a super high level, it would have helped him get drafted.

Simply being at Oregon in no way helps him get drafted ... he'll have to earn it in either scenario and both scenarios have their own advantages and risks.

[Cataholic]

Prukop listed as the #21 best QB in the country.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/ ... P#image=21

Pretty interesting. I also noticed that no FCS quarterbacks were on the list. I have to believe his chances of a pro career are improved with the increased national exposure.

If you think Prukop has any chance at a pro career as a QB, I want whatever it is you're drinking!

Why are people so anxious to take a shot at this kid? My comment was that the national exposure will help his chances at a pro career. Somebody takes that as an opportunity criticicize his abilities. Ridiculous.

Given that MSUhunter may have experience as a pro scout (sarcasm intended), who would want a 6'2" QB who is a leader, smart and superbly athletic with speed and a strong arm???... Wait a second.... Isn't Russell Wilson only 5'11"?

It's kind of strange, in the year following the NDSU QB being the #2 overall pick in the NFL draft, that people still try to make it sound like being in the FCS is in some way holding players back from getting drafted. If you are good enough to get drafted, you will get drafted. NFL scouts are good at their jobs and are very thorough -- they don't miss players simply because they aren't playing for the schools with the biggest media followings. The "national exposure" makes players more visible to the press and to fans, but not to the scouts ... the scouts are already aware of FCS players ... especially ones that are getting national FCS honors.

You are correct that NFL scouts find prospects at every level. MT Tech had a guy get a free agent deal two years ago. But there are definitely benefits to playing at a higher level. The one knock on Carson Wentz was he did not play against big time competition. Clearly, Dakota is playing at a higher level of competition at Oregon. It can only improve his marketability to scouts playing at Oregon versus in the Big Sky.

Also, Wentz was a completely different scenario than Prukop. Wentz has all the physical attributes while Dakota does not have the prototype body. To think he does not get more exposure and improve his stock at Oregon is being naive. If it didn't matter, FCS would have all kinds of NFL players versus playing at the FBS level. The exposure for Prukop could be the difference between being a free agent signee or a draft pick.

I'm not naïve at all ... it could just as easily hurt his stock being at Oregon. He may not shine against the tough defenses that are coming on their schedule (their schedule so far has been incredibly weak). Any stats he gets may be chalked up to the system and he may not get credit for them with the scouts (for all of the stats that Oregon has put up over the years by QBs, they haven't had a stellar record of putting successful QBs into the NFL, and that does play into the minds of scouts).

If he performs at a super high level at Oregon, it will help him get drafted.

Had he stayed at MSU at played at a super high level, it would have helped him get drafted.

Simply being at Oregon in no way helps him get drafted ... he'll have to earn it in either scenario and both scenarios have their own advantages and risks.

You make some good points but it is naive to think your chances are the same to get drafted at MSU versus Oregon. If a player's chances are the same, why don't high profile prospects with true pro potential choose FCS schools over FBS schools on a regular basis?

[SonomaCat]

More fame, better facilities, more celebs hanging around, better perks, cars from boosters, better competition, less focus on taking real classes, etc., etc.

But if a guy at the FCS level has strong NFL potential, the NFL will find him.

[PapaG]

I do agree for the most part with BAC's take on it not mattering where a player is in college in regards to a future pro career, but then I think back to when BAC said he'd be actively rooting for Prukop to fail and would enjoy it because that's the type of guy BAC is, and I realize the obvious bias against Dakota that he has illustrated in such an overt manner.

Basically, I expect BAC to diminish and denigrate any success Prukop may have at Oregon this season.

[Cataholic]

Wow. Is that true Sonoma Cat? You are rooting against an MSU grad?

[BigBruceBaker]

Wow. Is that true Sonoma Cat? You are rooting against an MSU grad?

I'm not putting words in Sonoma's mouth but he said something along the lines of "it's hard right now to root for the guy" basically saying he was hurt he moved on.

PapaG has a huge personal hatred towards Somoma so take what he says with a grain of salt.


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[91catAlum]

I think a lot of people were a bit miffed at him when he initially jumped ship. Now that some time has passed, I bet most of that has faded.
It's similar to a relationship break up. At first you're sad and/or angry, but as time passes you accept it and wish the best for the other person, generally speaking. It's human nature.
So regardless of what Sonoma (and others including me) may have said early on, he doesn't deserve to be beat up about it.

[SonomaCat]

I do agree for the most part with BAC's take on it not mattering where a player is in college in regards to a future pro career, but then I think back to when BAC said he'd be actively rooting for Prukop to fail and would enjoy it because that's the type of guy BAC is, and I realize the obvious bias against Dakota that he has illustrated in such an overt manner.

Basically, I expect BAC to diminish and denigrate any success Prukop may have at Oregon this season.

Actually ... what I said long, long ago is that I would be happy either way. If he was successful that I'd celebrate his success at Oregon and claim it for MSU (as it would show MSU to be a great program that can take a player nobody recruited and turn them into a top caliber player). If he wasn't successful I'd be happy that he failed after opting to leave MSU's football team for another college team (as it would show that he should have stayed at MSU, as should other future FCS players who consider the same moves so maybe it would keep more of the talent in FCS and prevent the FCS from becoming the minor leagues of college football). I'm sticking with that approach -- I'll be happy either way. This is just sports and not something important, so we don't have to take it all that seriously.

He has been fun to watch at Oregon so far against these horrible teams. It will be interesting to see how he and Oregon do the rest of the way as they start playing some real teams. I would love to see him roll the schedule and win the Heisman if it comes to that ... but given what I've seen from Oregon so far I suspect they will have some struggles this season.

[SonomaCat]

I do agree for the most part with BAC's take on it not mattering where a player is in college in regards to a future pro career

Glad that you agree with what I actually said.

[PapaG]

Wow. Is that true Sonoma Cat? You are rooting against an MSU grad?

I'm not putting words in Sonoma's mouth but he said something along the lines of "it's hard right now to root for the guy" basically saying he was hurt he moved on.

PapaG has a huge personal hatred towards Somoma so take what he says with a grain of salt.


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That's false. I have no issues with BAC at all.

[PapaG]

I would love to see him roll the schedule and win the Heisman if it comes to that ... but given what I've seen from Oregon so far I suspect they will have some struggles this season.

Oregon is going to have a lot of 56-49 games this year. I predict 9-4 with a win in the Who Effing Cares Bowl. I'm excited to see what Justin Herbert can do, though. Hasn't been even close to the buzz about a true freshman QB at UO since that Mariato kid was destroying the first team defense running the scout team. They already burned his redshirt so he is truly the back-up. Imagine if he hadn't blown up his senior year at Sheldon. He'd probably be starting for MSU already and throwing darts to Mitch.

[SonomaCat]

I would love to see him roll the schedule and win the Heisman if it comes to that ... but given what I've seen from Oregon so far I suspect they will have some struggles this season.

Oregon is going to have a lot of 56-49 games this year. I predict 9-4 with a win in the Who Effing Cares Bowl. I'm excited to see what Justin Herbert can do, though. Hasn't been even close to the buzz about a true freshman QB at UO since #8 was destroying the first team defense running the scout team. They already burned his redshirt so he is truly the back-up. Imagine if he hadn't blown up his senior year at Sheldon. He'd probably be starting for MSU already and throwing darts to Mitch.

That brings up another concern I've had with Oregon (I generally cheer for Oregon as my #2 Pac 12 team -- I like seeing Stanford win simply because they do things right on so many levels) ... why haven't they been giving any backup QBs more snaps? They had the two cupcake games so far and Prukop has taken almost every snap. I don't see many games going forward where they will have opportunities for some nice garbage time for a backup QB.

After their inability to develop QBs in-house over the last several seasons I would think they would be far more proactive in grooming a QB for next season than they have been so far. Time will tell.

[PapaG]

I would love to see him roll the schedule and win the Heisman if it comes to that ... but given what I've seen from Oregon so far I suspect they will have some struggles this season.

Oregon is going to have a lot of 56-49 games this year. I predict 9-4 with a win in the Who Effing Cares Bowl. I'm excited to see what Justin Herbert can do, though. Hasn't been even close to the buzz about a true freshman QB at UO since #8 was destroying the first team defense running the scout team. They already burned his redshirt so he is truly the back-up. Imagine if he hadn't blown up his senior year at Sheldon. He'd probably be starting for MSU already and throwing darts to Mitch.

That brings up another concern I've had with Oregon (I generally cheer for Oregon as my #2 Pac 12 team -- I like seeing Stanford win simply because they do things right on so many levels) ... why haven't they been giving any backup QBs more snaps? They had the two cupcake games so far and Prukop has taken almost every snap. I don't see many games going forward where they will have opportunities for some nice garbage time for a backup QB.

After their inability to develop QBs in-house over the last several seasons I would think they would be far more proactive in grooming a QB for next season than they have been so far. Time will tell.

The flip side is that Mariota came in from Day One as a RS freshman and became statistically one of the greatest QBs in college football history. Talent is talent. Some players have it, others struggle, which brings me to Bruggman. I hope he "gets" it soon but after 4 years of bouncing around, I'm afraid what we see is what we get.

[Cataholic]

More fame, better facilities, more celebs hanging around, better perks, cars from boosters, better competition, less focus on taking real classes, etc., etc.

But if a guy at the FCS level has strong NFL potential, the NFL will find him.

I see your point and there is no question NFL scouts find prospects at every level. But saying a recruit at MSU has the same opportunities for a pro career as an Oregon player still does not pass my sniff test. So a recruit with pro potential chooses an FBS school to face greater competition. Under your reasoning, wouldn't he better off choosing an FCS program where he is guaranteed to excell against lower competition? If FCS schools offered the same shot at the NFL as an FBS school, MSU would not lose a recruiting battle to the likes of Toledo or Idaho or Nevada. As you are aware, FCS schools do not win the recruiting war with FBS schools on a regular basis.

[Cataholic]

I would love to see him roll the schedule and win the Heisman if it comes to that ... but given what I've seen from Oregon so far I suspect they will have some struggles this season.

Oregon is going to have a lot of 56-49 games this year. I predict 9-4 with a win in the Who Effing Cares Bowl. I'm excited to see what Justin Herbert can do, though. Hasn't been even close to the buzz about a true freshman QB at UO since #8 was destroying the first team defense running the scout team. They already burned his redshirt so he is truly the back-up. Imagine if he hadn't blown up his senior year at Sheldon. He'd probably be starting for MSU already and throwing darts to Mitch.

That brings up another concern I've had with Oregon (I generally cheer for Oregon as my #2 Pac 12 team -- I like seeing Stanford win simply because they do things right on so many levels) ... why haven't they been giving any backup QBs more snaps? They had the two cupcake games so far and Prukop has taken almost every snap. I don't see many games going forward where they will have opportunities for some nice garbage time for a backup QB.

After their inability to develop QBs in-house over the last several seasons I would think they would be far more proactive in grooming a QB for next season than they have been so far. Time will tell.

I agree. It would have made sense for Herbert to get some snaps and game experience. But then again, Dakota is still adjusting to the system so every snap he takes is a learning opportunity as well.

[SonomaCat]

More fame, better facilities, more celebs hanging around, better perks, cars from boosters, better competition, less focus on taking real classes, etc., etc.

But if a guy at the FCS level has strong NFL potential, the NFL will find him.

I see your point and there is no question NFL scouts find prospects at every level. But saying a recruit at MSU has the same opportunities for a pro career as an Oregon player still does not pass my sniff test. So a recruit with pro potential chooses an FBS school to face greater competition. Under your reasoning, wouldn't he better off choosing an FCS program where he is guaranteed to excell against lower competition? If FCS schools offered the same shot at the NFL as an FBS school, MSU would not lose a recruiting battle to the likes of Toledo or Idaho or Nevada. As you are aware, FCS schools do not win the recruiting war with FBS schools on a regular basis.

As discussed, we lose the recruiting battles to those schools for the reasons I listed in the post you quoted.

You may also want to add "perception of better coaches" to the list as well.

But as I said, speaking only in terms of the ability to make the NFL, a guy with the talent/potential to play in the NFL will get a shot at the NFL even if they are at an FCS school.

As an aside, FCS schools actually do win recruiting battles against those lower tier FBS schools on a fairly regular basis.