Griz vs App State

[Cat turned Griz]

The game was over in 8 minutes. F the Griz fans.

Wow, butthurt much? This team is going to curb stomp the scats in November.

Yeah, I think so too. How many points do you think the Griz will win by, 20 or so?

Honestly, if both teams come into the game healthy, the Griz will beat the cats worse than they did 2 years ago in Bozeman. The Griz will dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage. Not talkin smack just being honest and totally objective. I knew the cats would win last year, that's why I sold my tix to the game.

[Cat turned Griz]

I think it's a very fair statement to say the Larger margin of victory over a #12 team and the 2nd most winning team over the past 10 years in FCS, was slightly better than a victory over a team that was less than 10 worst in the sagrin rankings last year. The Appy Qb is considered as a top Qb in FCS and we held him in check. We held ASU to less yards as Monmouth got against MSU. We platooned 2nd and 3rd team D all game long.

[MSU Toddler]

I think it's a very fair statement to say the Larger margin of victory over a #12 team and the 2nd most winning team over the past 10 years in FCS, was slightly better than a victory over a team that was less than 10 worst in the sagrin rankings last year. The Appy Qb is considered as a top Qb in FCS and we held him in check. We held ASU to less yards as Monmouth got against MSU. We platooned 2nd and 3rd team D all game long.

Couple of questions on your analysis:

• When did the griz use 2nd and 3rd team players on D? For example, was the entire 2nd string on the field or just a player here and there?
  Did the griz pull 1st string offensive players as well (since margin of victory also involves the offense scoring the ball too right)? If so, same follow-up as the last?
  How does a previous winning (or in the griz case - losing) season impact the current season - particularly something that happened 10 years ago or even 2 years ago?
  The griz didn't seem to hold the 2nd string entirely in check? Do you think their 1st string QB may have had issues (i.e. fumbles not caused by griz D)?
  Did you watch the Cats game to see when wholesale substitutions were made and play calling was conservative? For example, how many pass attempts did Jake Bleskin (2nd string QB at MSU) have in 1.5 quarters of play?
  How do other analysts use margin of victory in their analysis of a team?
  Do you think pre-season rankings are indicative of the entire season? You seem to put a lot of weight into this for the current results. If so, what chance does #20 have against #2?

I could go on, but I'm guessing you really have no point other than to be a POS. griz played well yesterday, and quite frankly didn't surprise many people (since they knew they would do well). these are called "compliments". They did good on one game - congrats. ASU also played poorly (part due to the griz and part they just couldn't put things together). Lots of season left and thank goodness for the ignore button which I'm using.....now.

[cats2506]

I think it's a very fair statement to say the Larger margin of victory over a #12 team and the 2nd most winning team over the past 10 years in FCS, was slightly better than a victory over a team that was less than 10 worst in the sagrin rankings last year. The Appy Qb is considered as a top Qb in FCS and we held him in check. We held ASU to less yards as Monmouth got against MSU. We platooned 2nd and 3rd team D all game long.

Just because backups were used for relief and special teams doesn't mean that you "platooned 2nd and 3rd team D all game long" Believe me you did no more "platooning" than any other team does

[TomCat88]

It's just the way it goes in sports. It was just one game in both instances and sometimes teams just don't play as well as they can, especially in season openers. Remember UM losing at home to Hofstra in its opener in 2000, then going all the way to the championship game? MSU started a 2002 and 2003 at 2-4, 1-3, but still won the Big Sky. MSU started 2006 1-3, but still got an at-large bid and won a playoff game. Monmouth and ASU are probably better than they played. Both schools ran into a buzz saw.

Also, there's more to a game than the final score. Finals can be awfully deceptive. ASU wasn't exactly getting steamrolled or out of the game. Down 16-6 in the third quarter is still very much alive. They couldn't make a play, however, and a turnover in their own end set UM up and the Griz, as good teams do, took full advantage. UM tacked on another TD for good measure and there's your 30-6 final. That's called pulling away late, not steamrolled. Calling that steamrolled is hyperbole.

Just the opposite happened in Bozeman. MSU did, by most people's definitions, steamroll Monmouth. Three TDs in 12 plays and a 39-3 halftime lead with nearly 400 yards of total offense. Game over. That's steamrolled. But Monmouth was able to make the final score respectable, because it scored a pair of TDs late in the game against MSU's 2s. And at least four of those 2s were 3s due to Gale, Bignell, Vunipola and Walsh all being out of action.

As bad as ASU looked on offense OR as good as UM looked you'd probably be surprised to know that ASU ran the ball better (4.7 to 3.3 ypc) and had a better yards per play (5.6 to 5.1) compared to when it beat UM in Boone last year. The big differences between the two games were UM's offense turned the ball over a lot less than last year and third downs. UM was 9 for 15 to ASU being 3 for 13. UM's punt teams also played well. A blocked punt by the punt cover team and a 54.3 average by Shaw.

[TomCat88]

The game was over in 8 minutes. F the Griz fans.

Wow, butthurt much? This team is going to curb stomp the scats in November.

Yeah, I think so too. How many points do you think the Griz will win by, 20 or so?

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see a repeat of 2011 (or worse). That team was good, but this one is better. The battle in the trenches won't even be close.

OK. So you're giving 26 points at least. Are you taking bets? I'm not sure if I want MSU and the points or UM to cover, but let me know the terms and I'll get back to you.

Gambling on the internet is illegal.

Yeah, I kinda figured as much.

[TomCat88]

The game was over in 8 minutes. F the Griz fans.

Wow, butthurt much? This team is going to curb stomp the scats in November.

Yeah, I think so too. How many points do you think the Griz will win by, 20 or so?

Honestly, if both teams come into the game healthy, the Griz will beat the cats worse than they did 2 years ago in Bozeman. The Griz will dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage. Not talkin smack just being honest and totally objective. I knew the cats would win last year, that's why I sold my tix to the game.

You should give 27 points and start making yourself some cash. I'm sure you could find a couple suckers on this board that would take that bet.

[Born2BaGriz]

It is ONE game for both teams. I get that Griz fans have the "look at me" attitude after last year, the return of JJ, and coming off of trials and investigations of the past.

I get the Cat fans overstating the win because they don't want to consider the issue in the last year of a very special QB, they may not have what it takes to go deep into the playoffs.

Simple facts are both programs have things to work out ( ie new OC's, new players), both had nice wins, and both have much to look forward to in regards to the Big Sky. Also true is that it is a very long season, injuries can and do occur. The best thing is that coaches and players don't listen to us douche bags writing on the internet and both programs will take one game at a time. Neither program illustrated that they are to be feared just yet, but then I didn't expect that either would show they should be feared. However, what I saw against OSU has me a bit worried, much more then the Cats or anybody else in the Big Sky.

[LTown Cat]

It is ONE game for both teams. I get that Griz fans have the "look at me" attitude after last year, the return of JJ, and coming off of trials and investigations of the past.

I get the Cat fans overstating the win because they don't want to consider the issue in the last year of a very special QB, they may not have what it takes to go deep into the playoffs.

Simple facts are both programs have things to work out ( ie new OC's, new players), both had nice wins, and both have much to look forward to in regards to the Big Sky. Also true is that it is a very long season, injuries can and do occur. The best thing is that coaches and players don't listen to us douche bags writing on the internet and both programs will take one game at a time. Neither program illustrated that they are to be feared just yet, but then I didn't expect that either would show they should be feared. However, what I saw against OSU has me a bit worried, much more then the Cats or anybody else in the Big Sky.

[Bobcat Sig]

The game was over in 8 minutes. F the Griz fans.

Wow, butthurt much? This team is going to curb stomp the scats in November.

Yeah, I think so too. How many points do you think the Griz will win by, 20 or so?

Honestly, if both teams come into the game healthy, the Griz will beat the cats worse than they did 2 years ago in Bozeman. The Griz will dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage. Not talkin smack just being honest and totally objective. I knew the cats would win last year, that's why I sold my tix to the game.

<deep breath.


Yah ... no. Not at all.

[AlphaGriz1]

Why does everyone say Jackson had an "obvious concussion"? Has App St said he has a concussion? The reason he came out was because I believe Kanongatta hit him viciously in the left side above the hip in the rib cage. I couldn't believe he got up from that the way he whipped around. In fact I was wondering if Jackson may have had some internal bleeding the way he was acting on the sidelines.

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[cats2506]

Why does everyone say Jackson had an "obvious concussion"? Has App St said he has a concussion? The reason he came out was because I believe Kanongatta hit him viciously in the left side above the hip in the rib cage. I couldn't believe he got up from that the way he whipped around. In fact I was wondering if Jackson may have had some internal bleeding the way he was acting on the sidelines.

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I only say it on TV but thought it was a body shot too, either way I didn't think he coach should have put him back in

[TomCat88]

Most outlets are saying "apparent hand injury" others say upper body. He had a knee injury last year and didn't do spring drills.

[Htowngriz]

The game was over in 8 minutes. F the Griz fans.

Wow, butthurt much? This team is going to curb stomp the scats in November.

Yeah, I think so too. How many points do you think the Griz will win by, 20 or so?

Honestly, if both teams come into the game healthy, the Griz will beat the cats worse than they did 2 years ago in Bozeman. The Griz will dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage. Not talkin smack just being honest and totally objective. I knew the cats would win last year, that's why I sold my tix to the game.

<deep breath.


Yah ... no. Not at all.

This post would fit in perfectly in November 2011.

[bobcatmaniac]

The game was over in 8 minutes. F the Griz fans.

Wow, butthurt much? This team is going to curb stomp the scats in November.

Yeah, I think so too. How many points do you think the Griz will win by, 20 or so?

Honestly, if both teams come into the game healthy, the Griz will beat the cats worse than they did 2 years ago in Bozeman. The Griz will dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage. Not talkin smack just being honest and totally objective. I knew the cats would win last year, that's why I sold my tix to the game.

Honestly-? Seriously-? I can see by your name that you are a fair weather friend, and personally the griz can keep you. You wouldnt even stand by your "new" team when you apparently already knew they would lose. Only want to take the good days, dont you? You must be some kind of friend. I was in Bobcat Stadium when we went 0-11, and I will always be in Bobcat Stadium, on the road whenever I can. Ya, keep your "new" alliance...

[cats2506]

The game was over in 8 minutes. F the Griz fans.

Wow, butthurt much? This team is going to curb stomp the scats in November.

Yeah, I think so too. How many points do you think the Griz will win by, 20 or so?

Honestly, if both teams come into the game healthy, the Griz will beat the cats worse than they did 2 years ago in Bozeman. The Griz will dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage. Not talkin smack just being honest and totally objective. I knew the cats would win last year, that's why I sold my tix to the game.

Honestly-? Seriously-? I can see by your name that you are a fair weather friend, and personally the griz can keep you. You wouldnt even stand by your "new" team when you apparently already knew they would lose. Only want to take the good days, dont you? You must be some kind of friend. I was in Bobcat Stadium when we went 0-11, and I will always be in Bobcat Stadium, on the road whenever I can. Ya, keep your "new" alliance...

so you are actually saying he is..... cat turned griz turned cat turned griz

[TomCat88]

The game was over in 8 minutes. F the Griz fans.

Wow, butthurt much? This team is going to curb stomp the scats in November.

Yeah, I think so too. How many points do you think the Griz will win by, 20 or so?

Honestly, if both teams come into the game healthy, the Griz will beat the cats worse than they did 2 years ago in Bozeman. The Griz will dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage. Not talkin smack just being honest and totally objective. I knew the cats would win last year, that's why I sold my tix to the game.

Honestly-? Seriously-? I can see by your name that you are a fair weather friend, and personally the griz can keep you. You wouldnt even stand by your "new" team when you apparently already knew they would lose. Only want to take the good days, dont you? You must be some kind of friend. I was in Bobcat Stadium when we went 0-11, and I will always be in Bobcat Stadium, on the road whenever I can. Ya, keep your "new" alliance...

Keep in mind that the Griz didn't beat the Cats 2 years ago. The didn't win or lose that game.

[Bobcat Sig]

The game was over in 8 minutes. F the Griz fans.

Wow, butthurt much? This team is going to curb stomp the scats in November.

Yeah, I think so too. How many points do you think the Griz will win by, 20 or so?

Honestly, if both teams come into the game healthy, the Griz will beat the cats worse than they did 2 years ago in Bozeman. The Griz will dominate both sides of the line of scrimmage. Not talkin smack just being honest and totally objective. I knew the cats would win last year, that's why I sold my tix to the game.

<deep breath.


Yah ... no. Not at all.

You mean that vacated win for cheating?
Yah ... about that. Facts are hard.


This post would fit in perfectly in November 2011.

[[cat_bracket]]

App State had three freshmen starting on defense and five more came off the bench. Of 23 defensive players that saw the field 14 were freshmen and sophomores. They also have a new defensive coordinator, new head coach, were on the road, don't have the playoffs as incentive, only returned 4 starters on defense and switched to a 3-4 defense, but um only had 16 points (3 set up by a blocked punt) going into the fourth quarter. Maybe ASU has talent on defense, but if the do it needs game experience.

[tdub]

Why does everyone say Jackson had an "obvious concussion"? Has App St said he has a concussion? The reason he came out was because I believe Kanongatta hit him viciously in the left side above the hip in the rib cage. I couldn't believe he got up from that the way he whipped around. In fact I was wondering if Jackson may have had some internal bleeding the way he was acting on the sidelines.

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I only say it on TV but thought it was a body shot too, either way I didn't think he coach should have put him back in

I was at the game and had a great angle on what happened. On his run he was tripped (not sure by who) and went forehead first into the turf. Looked like it hurt pretty bad. I thought concussion at first, but with today's regulations we would not have come back into the game if this was the case. Knowing that, I assume he pinched a nerve in his neck, causing his hand to lose some feeling. He fumbled the next snap. That is why they are reporting a hand/arm issue.