3 Griz Arrested

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:26 pm

Based on what has been publicly released (at least as far as I've seen), this really seems like more of an unfortunate bit of drunken stupidity as opposed to anything malicious. I'd hate to see this really screw up any of their lives in a huge way. Do they deserve to be punished? Absolutely ... but I sure hope it's not a felony.

I also totally understand how freaked out the family had to be -- it is lucky for everyone that there wasn't somebody living there with a loaded gun and a low threshold for using it.

It really seems like they thought they were climbing up into a construction site and didn't realize it was attached to an occupied house. I can say that I saw probably 100 acts of drunken hijinks equal to or far worse than that during college, and almost all of those people turned out to be pretty successful people in their lives (when getting caught could have really messed things up for them).

They probably shouldn't be playing football for the rest of the season, just to punish the stupidity (there really is a higher standard when you are a varsity athlete, and they need to act accordingly), but unless they can show that these guys were acting out of malice as opposed to just looking for something fun to climb up and look at, I'd hate to see any of them charged with a felony.

77matcat · Post by **77matcat** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:44 am

I agree with your post. The only thing that I question is the second story, up a ladder and in a window thing. I can understand walking in an open door durning the day. But claiming a ladder in the middle of the night to climb in a window and talk about stealing stuff.

Maybe just a new level of stupidity.

Did they have to stand the ladder up, or was it up already??

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Grizaddict · Post by **Grizaddict** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:55 am

Everything is speculation right now but the word on the street is the ladder was already there propped up to that second-floor window. It was part of the construction project and probably belonged to the crew. I did see where one of the lawyers said that the kids just went up there out of curiosity, not knowing that it was attached to a residence with people inside. Still not a very smart move but I don't think it's world news either.

[cat_bracket] · Post by **[cat_bracket]** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:15 pm

Grizaddict wrote:Everything is speculation right now but the word on the street is the ladder was already there propped up to that second-floor window. It was part of the construction project and probably belonged to the crew. I did see where one of the lawyers said that the kids just went up there out of curiosity, not knowing that it was attached to a residence with people inside. Still not a very smart move but I don't think it's world news either.

They were just curious, but they were talking about taking things. As in I'm curious if there's anything in there worth stealing?

Grizaddict · Post by **Grizaddict** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:31 pm

I don't know I wasn't there which is why I used the word speculation. Was the Bignell kid and others trying to steal when they broke into the Mayor's house? How about Fish's basketball recruit who was busted shop lifting at Town and Country recently. Should we speculate on them and what they were trying to accomplish as well. I would say, no, I wasn't there and have no first hand knowledge of any of these events (neither do you by the way) so maybe best not to speculate too much on it.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:32 pm

Grizaddict wrote:Everything is speculation right now but the word on the street is the ladder was already there propped up to that second-floor window. It was part of the construction project and probably belonged to the crew. I did see where one of the lawyers said that the kids just went up there out of curiosity, not knowing that it was attached to a residence with people inside. Still not a very smart move but I don't think it's world news either.

Correct. Perhaps they really were just trying to get out of the rain (As if they weren't already waterlogged from that game lol). Perhaps they were looking for things to steal in order to support drug habits. Speculating is stupid in this case because nobody on here knows what they were really up to that night. All we know is that they were arrested on felony charges for whatever reason. Hopefully they weren't really doing something felonious.

All that being said, as a wise coach once said... "It's really not that hard to just not get arrested."

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:34 pm

Grizaddict wrote:I don't know I wasn't there which is why I used the word speculation. Was the Bignell kid and others trying to steal when they broke into the Mayor's house? How about Fish's basketball recruit who was busted shop lifting at Town and Country recently. Should we speculate on them and what they were trying to accomplish as well. I would say, no, I wasn't there and have no first hand knowledge of any of these events (neither do you by the way) so maybe best not to speculate too much on it.

Um, no... and not really a good comparison. The owner said he actually heard them talking about stealing something. For the Bignell incident they entered the house because they were running from the cops that were chasing them for throwing eggs at houses. Very stupid, but not burglary.

Grizaddict · Post by **Grizaddict** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:31 pm

Man that dude must have bat ears to have heard that being that he said they are building an addition and it's an entirely different wing than the house being resided in. Impressive. Maybe he heard that, maybe he didn't. That's my point, all of this is speculation unless you were there first hand. I have no idea what they were thinking or trying to accomplish. I wasn't there. None of us were at the Mayor's house or Town and Country or this owner's addition so none of us can think we know what was happening at either incident.

91catAlum · Post by **91catAlum** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:44 pm

Grizaddict wrote:Man that dude must have bat ears to have heard that being that he said they are building an addition and it's an entirely different wing than the house being resided in. Impressive. Maybe he heard that, maybe he didn't. That's my point, all of this is speculation unless you were there first hand. I have no idea what they were thinking or trying to accomplish. I wasn't there. None of us were at the Mayor's house or Town and Country or this owner's addition so none of us can think we know what was happening at either incident.

You think the guy is lying about what he heard? What would be his motivation?

TomCat88 · Post by **TomCat88** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:53 pm

Grizaddict wrote:Man that dude must have bat ears to have heard that being that he said they are building an addition and it's an entirely different wing than the house being resided in. Impressive. Maybe he heard that, maybe he didn't. That's my point, all of this is speculation unless you were there first hand. I have no idea what they were thinking or trying to accomplish. I wasn't there. None of us were at the Mayor's house or Town and Country or this owner's addition so none of us can think we know what was happening at either incident.

I believe the UM school newspaper reported (quoted?) the homeowner saying something to the effect that the intruders were saying something about stealing. I guess you could still call it speculation depending on how much you trust the UM school newspaper report. If the paper is mistaken, then it wouldn't be speculation to say that's very bad reporting.

I, however, don't know if making a comment like this matters.

Grizaddict · Post by **Grizaddict** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:00 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Grizaddict wrote:Man that dude must have bat ears to have heard that being that he said they are building an addition and it's an entirely different wing than the house being resided in. Impressive. Maybe he heard that, maybe he didn't. That's my point, all of this is speculation unless you were there first hand. I have no idea what they were thinking or trying to accomplish. I wasn't there. None of us were at the Mayor's house or Town and Country or this owner's addition so none of us can think we know what was happening at either incident.
You think the guy is lying about what he heard? What would be his motivation?

Didn't say that at all. Said I wasn't there so wouldn't know. Folks are quick to convict these kids as burglars. Maybe they are which would be very disappointing. Maybe they aren't. I can speculate as much as anyone here....see watch, "Then Counts said I wish I could take that hammer and take out my frustration on those PSU kids who just thumped us.... All homeowner hears is "take the hammer". That speculation is as ridiculous as everyone else thinking they know all the details. Whatever the county prosecutor figures out is when we will all know. May turn out bad (felony burglary). May end up being not that bad (misdemeanor trespass, case dismissed). None of us know. Seems the prosecution doesn't even know as they keep backing it up trying to figure out what charges, if any.

GRIZ1STCATS2ND · Post by **GRIZ1STCATS2ND** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:46 am

Obviously, from what we (think we) know this story would be a non story if members of the team weren't involved. How laughable would it be to read on the front page that some kids were in a structure being renovated on Halloween night? It's Mayberry stuff.

With that said, being a U of M athlete you have to think two times and three times before you do anything questionable. They signed up for the whole package. Gotta admit though, pretty minor infractions in recent times.

[cat_bracket] · Post by **[cat_bracket]** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:01 am

GRIZ1STCATS2ND wrote:Obviously, from what we (think we) know this story would be a non story if members of the team weren't involved. How laughable would it be to read on the front page that some kids were in a structure being renovated on Halloween night? It's Mayberry stuff.

With that said, being a U of M athlete you have to think two times and three times before you do anything questionable. They signed up for the whole package. Gotta admit though, pretty minor infractions in recent times.

As football players they also attract the best defense lawyers, instead of being assigned the public defender. Cuts both ways.

Sportin' Life · Post by **Sportin' Life** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:35 am

Grizaddict wrote:Man that dude must have bat ears to have heard that being that he said they are building an addition and it's an entirely different wing than the house being resided in. Impressive. Maybe he heard that, maybe he didn't. That's my point, all of this is speculation unless you were there first hand. I have no idea what they were thinking or trying to accomplish. I wasn't there. None of us were at the Mayor's house or Town and Country or this owner's addition so none of us can think we know what was happening at either incident.

Nothing is louder than a drunk man trying to be quiet. That said, I don't think we know the exact layout and how far the homeowner was from those guys. And from what I have read on egriz his house has been cased enough by UM75 and playerrep, in their efforts to exonerate the boys/ creep out the guy.

At any rate I think BAC was basically spot on with his opinion. Again, I am biased because I have had interactions with one of the students and found him to be a smart and likable kid, but I am glad that it may well turn out to be some sort of really stupid hijinks. The question is, does Stitt impose discipline or not. It seems to me that lots of people on egriz are saying we need to not be too tough on the kids, but I am not sure tough discipline and consequences have really ever been tried for the football team on this campus (except for the coach). Maybe trying actual tough discipline would end up being something that would only have to happen once, who knows?

Grizaddict · Post by **Grizaddict** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:00 pm

Sportin' Life wrote:
Grizaddict wrote:Man that dude must have bat ears to have heard that being that he said they are building an addition and it's an entirely different wing than the house being resided in. Impressive. Maybe he heard that, maybe he didn't. That's my point, all of this is speculation unless you were there first hand. I have no idea what they were thinking or trying to accomplish. I wasn't there. None of us were at the Mayor's house or Town and Country or this owner's addition so none of us can think we know what was happening at either incident.
Nothing is louder than a drunk man trying to be quiet. That said, I don't think we know the exact layout and how far the homeowner was from those guys. And from what I have read on egriz his house has been cased enough by UM75 and playerrep, in their efforts to exonerate the boys/ creep out the guy.

At any rate I think BAC was basically spot on with his opinion. Again, I am biased because I have had interactions with one of the students and found him to be a smart and likable kid, but I am glad that it may well turn out to be some sort of really stupid hijinks. The question is, does Stitt impose discipline or not. It seems to me that lots of people on egriz are saying we need to not be too tough on the kids, but I am not sure tough discipline and consequences have really ever been tried for the football team on this campus (except for the coach). Maybe trying actual tough discipline would end up being something that would only have to happen once, who knows?

As for punishment, the U of M has a student code of conduct now that dictates all of that. They implemented that after all the drama in the last number of years. There are certain level offenses....level 1, level 2, level 3, etc with appropriate punishments associated with each. Coach Stitt doesn't have a lot of say on the punishment unless it falls on the lower end of those thresholds. That's when he can decide certain punishments. For example, our starting LB was suspended against NDSU to kick off the year becUse he was trying to start fights while drinking out on the town. Stitt suspended him in what was probably the biggest stage of that kid's life (ESPN kickoff, lots of hype, national champs, etc). That move already showed me what Stitt is all about and that kids will be held accountable. Most programs would not suspend a kid over starting a fight (ie look at Illinois St and Copprich....kid sold drugs to cops and no punishment....wow). Whatever punishment these 3 Griz players receive will fit the crime. And I am good with whatever that becomes.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:28 pm

Grizaddict wrote:
Sportin' Life wrote:
Grizaddict wrote:Man that dude must have bat ears to have heard that being that he said they are building an addition and it's an entirely different wing than the house being resided in. Impressive. Maybe he heard that, maybe he didn't. That's my point, all of this is speculation unless you were there first hand. I have no idea what they were thinking or trying to accomplish. I wasn't there. None of us were at the Mayor's house or Town and Country or this owner's addition so none of us can think we know what was happening at either incident.
Nothing is louder than a drunk man trying to be quiet. That said, I don't think we know the exact layout and how far the homeowner was from those guys. And from what I have read on egriz his house has been cased enough by UM75 and playerrep, in their efforts to exonerate the boys/ creep out the guy.

At any rate I think BAC was basically spot on with his opinion. Again, I am biased because I have had interactions with one of the students and found him to be a smart and likable kid, but I am glad that it may well turn out to be some sort of really stupid hijinks. The question is, does Stitt impose discipline or not. It seems to me that lots of people on egriz are saying we need to not be too tough on the kids, but I am not sure tough discipline and consequences have really ever been tried for the football team on this campus (except for the coach). Maybe trying actual tough discipline would end up being something that would only have to happen once, who knows?

As for punishment, the U of M has a student code of conduct now that dictates all of that. They implemented that after all the drama in the last number of years. There are certain level offenses....level 1, level 2, level 3, etc with appropriate punishments associated with each. Coach Stitt doesn't have a lot of say on the punishment unless it falls on the lower end of those thresholds. That's when he can decide certain punishments. For example, our starting LB was suspended against NDSU to kick off the year becUse he was trying to start fights while drinking out on the town. Stitt suspended him in what was probably the biggest stage of that kid's life (ESPN kickoff, lots of hype, national champs, etc). That move already showed me what Stitt is all about and that kids will be held accountable. Most programs would not suspend a kid over starting a fight (ie look at Illinois St and Copprich....kid sold drugs to cops and no punishment....wow). Whatever punishment these 3 Griz players receive will fit the crime. And I am good with whatever that becomes.

Yep, Stitt seems to be a far cry from the Hauck years in terms of discipline.

[cat_bracket] · Post by **[cat_bracket]** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:36 pm

Missoulian reporting they all got charged with misdemeanors. Now we see what um does.

luckyirishguy25 · Post by **luckyirishguy25** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:19 pm

[cat_bracket] wrote:Missoulian reporting they all got charged with misdemeanors. Now we see what um does.

These kids should know by now anything they do is under and really big microscope, for just that reason I would be surprised to see them all kicked off the football team. I hope that doesn't happen, but I don't think UM will be able to hand out to many second chances with the spotlight on them.

LongTimeCatFan · Post by **LongTimeCatFan** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:22 pm

Are they playing 11-21 or not?

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:29 pm

LongTimeCatFan wrote:Are they playing 11-21 or not?

I think we all know the answer to that

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