Next National Title?

[BigBruceBaker]

Sorry to highjack the thread but......

What is Griz/Cat? Is that some sort of pun missoula came up with? I honestly dont get it.

GRIZ/cat is that annual football game the two teams play. Funny you haven’t heard of it before. Maybe you have blocked out this game as the GRIZ have totally dominated it for the past 20 years.

No ive just always been into tradition. and tradition is CAT/griz. Also ive just always assumed youd put the team with the most class and less annoying fans first which would be CAT/gizz

[Eastcoastgriz]

Sorry to highjack the thread but......

What is Griz/Cat? Is that some sort of pun missoula came up with? I honestly dont get it.

GRIZ/cat is that annual football game the two teams play. Funny you haven’t heard of it before. Maybe you have blocked out this game as the GRIZ have totally dominated it for the past 20 years.

No ive just always been into tradition. and tradition is CAT/griz. Also ive just always assumed youd put the team with the most class and less annoying fans first which would be CAT/gizz

Maybe your tradition. Been GRIZ/cat for as long as I can remember. Dad called it GRIZ/cat back in the late 60's. All my GRIZ friends call it GRIZ/cat and have forever. Get used to it.

[BigBruceBaker]

Sorry to highjack the thread but......

What is Griz/Cat? Is that some sort of pun missoula came up with? I honestly dont get it.

GRIZ/cat is that annual football game the two teams play. Funny you haven’t heard of it before. Maybe you have blocked out this game as the GRIZ have totally dominated it for the past 20 years.

No ive just always been into tradition. and tradition is CAT/griz. Also ive just always assumed youd put the team with the most class and less annoying fans first which would be CAT/gizz

Maybe your tradition. Been GRIZ/cat for as long as I can remember. Dad called it GRIZ/cat back in the late 60's. All my GRIZ friends call it GRIZ/cat and have forever. Get used to it.

All my griz fans call it CAT/griz. Even they say...it just has a better ring to it. I dont have to get used to anything.

[PDXGriz]

This name argument is really the heart of the rivalry

[catatac]

some random thoughts

1: Does anyone think the cats are going to win more than 5 or 6 games this year with a new QB?

2: A bad record isn't going to help attendance. Plus Adams State, SDU, Northern Colorado are 1/2 of your home games. I plan on seeing a lot of open seats on tv for those games.

What happens if the cats lose to either SDU or Adams State. This board will burn down Ash within hours.

Have you guys ever beaten Eastern Washington? They must have the new streak.

What happens if Weber hangs 60 on the cats on Homecoming?

Do Ash teams play better in California then Kramer teams?

Does Northern Colorado get there 2nd career Big Sky win in Bozo

If Hauck lays number 3 on you guys at what point do you start pushing the panic button that another streak is starting?

If the cats go 7-5 this year will that only reafirm your belief that the cats are catching up to the Griz?

Yes
Yes, there will be open seats during these games, just like the griz have
They won't
Luckily we get them at home... you don't
They won't
Yes
No
There may be a new streak starting...
Yes

[cats2506]

Sorry to highjack the thread but......

What is Griz/Cat? Is that some sort of pun missoula came up with? I honestly dont get it.

GRIZ/cat is that annual football game the two teams play. Funny you haven’t heard of it before. Maybe you have blocked out this game as the GRIZ have totally dominated it for the past 20 years.

No ive just always been into tradition. and tradition is CAT/griz. Also ive just always assumed youd put the team with the most class and less annoying fans first which would be CAT/gizz

Maybe your tradition. Been GRIZ/cat for as long as I can remember. Dad called it GRIZ/cat back in the late 60's. All my GRIZ friends call it GRIZ/cat and have forever. Get used to it.

Did anybody really go to a griz game back then, I mean the griz really sucked in the 60's.

They were 40-56 in the decade and only posted 2 seasons above .500

Is that the tradition that you are remembering?

[tampa_griz]

Did anybody really go to a griz game back then, I mean the griz really sucked in the 60's.

They were 40-56 in the decade and only posted 2 seasons above .500

Is that the tradition that you are remembering?

Nah this one.

It's muck more reflective of the current situation.

[GrizinWashington]

It would be interesting to see if this poll question were asked to completely neutral FCS fans around the country. I suspect the results would be vastly different than what's found on this board. A lot of heart voting and not much logical thinking, I would say.

The greatest predictor of future performance are past results: No one can argue that the Griz past results are not far superior to the Cat's past results.

[cats2506]

It would be interesting to see if this poll question were asked to completely neutral FCS fans around the country. I suspect the results would be vastly different than what's found on this board. A lot of heart voting and not much logical thinking, I would say.

The greatest predictor of future performance are past results: No one can argue that the Griz past results are not far superior to the Cat's past results.

I’m sure you are right about neutral FCS fans and how they would vote. I also cant argue recent past results with you either.

I don’t think the voting here is all just wishful thinking, a good argument can be made that the Cat program is on the upswing and will continue to improve over the next several years. Likewise I still think that just as good an argument can be made that the gizz program has reached a high point and may even be on a down trend.

Before you spew your maroon venom about that statement. I am not saying that I expect the gizz program to tank, just that you are in for rougher times than you have had in recent years. You are in a cycle down, not saying that you wont cycle back up but I think that changes will happen in Missoula before you ever see a NC game again..

[catatac]

It would be interesting to see if this poll question were asked to completely neutral FCS fans around the country. I suspect the results would be vastly different than what's found on this board. A lot of heart voting and not much logical thinking, I would say.

The greatest predictor of future performance are past results: No one can argue that the Griz past results are not far superior to the Cat's past results.

I totally agree that the results would be vastly different... because when people aren't very close to a program, they base their opinions on past performance, exactly as you stated. But everyone also knows that programs never stay on top for too long. Sometimes dominant teams fall into the $hitter. Montana was THE team to beat for a few years... same with Marshall... now it's App State. I'm not saying you're in the $hitter, but you're not a top 5 team either. In 2007 I believe you ended up ranked 12th? And that was with an abnormal amount of talent... the dominant year Bobby has been pointing to. Just saying that many sports fans in MT believe the future of Bobcat football is bright, and many believe the future of griz fb may be not so bright. Once again, I know several griz fans that fall into the latter category.

The following quote comes to mind regarding the stock market: "Past performance is no guarantee of future results."

[GrizinWashington]

The argument can be made that Tiger Woods has also peaked, and perhaps is even on somewhat of a downward trend. He's not winning Majors by 13 strokes any longer.

But no one is going to suggest that he isn't still the greatest player in the world. Are the Griz on an upward climb? Likely not, since there isn't much room to go. Are they on a decline? All evidence would suggest not, given two perfect seasons in a row. Compare the Griz now with the Griz 7 or 8 years ago, when 3 losses in a season wasn't uncommon. I just don't see the "downward trend" argument.

(Also, the argument could certainly be made that the Cats have peaked and are now starting a downward trend. In fact, I think that argument could be justified much more easily than the Griz trend you suggest).

[catatac]

The argument can be made that Tiger Woods has also peaked, and perhaps is even on somewhat of a downward trend. He's not winning Majors by 13 strokes any longer.

But no one is going to suggest that he isn't still the greatest player in the world. Are the Griz on an upward climb? Likely not, since there isn't much room to go. Are they on a decline? All evidence would suggest not, given two perfect seasons in a row. Compare the Griz now with the Griz 7 or 8 years ago, when 3 losses in a season wasn't uncommon. I just don't see the "downward trend" argument.

(Also, the argument could certainly be made that the Cats have peaked and are now starting a downward trend. In fact, I think that argument could be justified much more easily than the Griz trend you suggest).

I wouldn't go that far...

[cats2506]

The argument can be made that Tiger Woods has also peaked, and perhaps is even on somewhat of a downward trend. He's not winning Majors by 13 strokes any longer.

But no one is going to suggest that he isn't still the greatest player in the world. Are the Griz on an upward climb? Likely not, since there isn't much room to go. Are they on a decline? All evidence would suggest not, given two perfect seasons in a row. Compare the Griz now with the Griz 7 or 8 years ago, when 3 losses in a season wasn't uncommon. I just don't see the "downward trend" argument.

(Also, the argument could certainly be made that the Cats have peaked and are now starting a downward trend. In fact, I think that argument could be justified much more easily than the Griz trend you suggest).

Hmmmm 7-8 years ago, National Champions, last year one and done with lots of talent. Are you saying that the program had better results in 2007 than 2001 because thats what it sounds like.

[GrizinWashington]

The argument can be made that Tiger Woods has also peaked, and perhaps is even on somewhat of a downward trend. He's not winning Majors by 13 strokes any longer.

But no one is going to suggest that he isn't still the greatest player in the world. Are the Griz on an upward climb? Likely not, since there isn't much room to go. Are they on a decline? All evidence would suggest not, given two perfect seasons in a row. Compare the Griz now with the Griz 7 or 8 years ago, when 3 losses in a season wasn't uncommon. I just don't see the "downward trend" argument.

(Also, the argument could certainly be made that the Cats have peaked and are now starting a downward trend. In fact, I think that argument could be justified much more easily than the Griz trend you suggest).

Hmmmm 7-8 years ago, National Champions, last year one and done with lots of talent. Are you saying that the program had better results in 2007 than 2001 because thats what it sounds like.

Well, now. I didn't take nun a dat der MSU math, but I'm thinking 2007 - 2001 is neither 7 nor 8.

Go back and look between 1998 and 1999. Records were 8-4 and a first round playoff loss, and 9-3 with a first round playoff loss. Granted, 2000 was a terrific season, but it still didn't culminate in a NC.

I am just always amazed at the number of people who fail to realize just how extremely difficult it is to advance deep in the playoffs every year. I dislike first round losses as much as anyone. But if someone tries to tell me that a first round loss after a no-loss season on the heels of a semi-final appearance constitutes a program on the downturn, I'd simply tell them that they're likely in a very, very small minority.

[cats2506]

The argument can be made that Tiger Woods has also peaked, and perhaps is even on somewhat of a downward trend. He's not winning Majors by 13 strokes any longer.

But no one is going to suggest that he isn't still the greatest player in the world. Are the Griz on an upward climb? Likely not, since there isn't much room to go. Are they on a decline? All evidence would suggest not, given two perfect seasons in a row. Compare the Griz now with the Griz 7 or 8 years ago, when 3 losses in a season wasn't uncommon. I just don't see the "downward trend" argument.

(Also, the argument could certainly be made that the Cats have peaked and are now starting a downward trend. In fact, I think that argument could be justified much more easily than the Griz trend you suggest).

Hmmmm 7-8 years ago, National Champions, last year one and done with lots of talent. Are you saying that the program had better results in 2007 than 2001 because thats what it sounds like.

Well, now. I didn't take nun a dat der MSU math, but I'm thinking 2007 - 2001 is neither 7 nor 8.

Go back and look between 1998 and 1999. Records were 8-4 and a first round playoff loss, and 9-3 with a first round playoff loss. Granted, 2000 was a terrific season, but it still didn't culminate in a NC.

I am just always amazed at the number of people who fail to realize just how extremely difficult it is to advance deep in the playoffs every year. I dislike first round losses as much as anyone. But if someone tries to tell me that a first round loss after a no-loss season on the heels of a semi-final appearance constitutes a program on the downturn, I'd simply tell them that they're likely in a very, very small minority.

You do show your um math skills so well. 2001 is 7 years ago, and 98-99 is 9 and 10 years ago.

Hint - the current year is 2008

[tampa_griz]

The argument can be made that Tiger Woods has also peaked, and perhaps is even on somewhat of a downward trend. He's not winning Majors by 13 strokes any longer.

But no one is going to suggest that he isn't still the greatest player in the world. Are the Griz on an upward climb? Likely not, since there isn't much room to go. Are they on a decline? All evidence would suggest not, given two perfect seasons in a row. Compare the Griz now with the Griz 7 or 8 years ago, when 3 losses in a season wasn't uncommon. I just don't see the "downward trend" argument.

(Also, the argument could certainly be made that the Cats have peaked and are now starting a downward trend. In fact, I think that argument could be justified much more easily than the Griz trend you suggest).

Hmmmm 7-8 years ago, National Champions, last year one and done with lots of talent. Are you saying that the program had better results in 2007 than 2001 because thats what it sounds like.

Well, now. I didn't take nun a dat der MSU math, but I'm thinking 2007 - 2001 is neither 7 nor 8.

Go back and look between 1998 and 1999. Records were 8-4 and a first round playoff loss, and 9-3 with a first round playoff loss. Granted, 2000 was a terrific season, but it still didn't culminate in a NC.

I am just always amazed at the number of people who fail to realize just how extremely difficult it is to advance deep in the playoffs every year. I dislike first round losses as much as anyone. But if someone tries to tell me that a first round loss after a no-loss season on the heels of a semi-final appearance constitutes a program on the downturn, I'd simply tell them that they're likely in a very, very small minority.

You do show your um math skills so well. 2001 is 7 years ago, and 98-99 is 9 and 10 years ago.

Hint - the current year is 2008

How many years has it been since the 2001 NC?

[GrizinWashington]

The argument can be made that Tiger Woods has also peaked, and perhaps is even on somewhat of a downward trend. He's not winning Majors by 13 strokes any longer.

But no one is going to suggest that he isn't still the greatest player in the world. Are the Griz on an upward climb? Likely not, since there isn't much room to go. Are they on a decline? All evidence would suggest not, given two perfect seasons in a row. Compare the Griz now with the Griz 7 or 8 years ago, when 3 losses in a season wasn't uncommon. I just don't see the "downward trend" argument.

(Also, the argument could certainly be made that the Cats have peaked and are now starting a downward trend. In fact, I think that argument could be justified much more easily than the Griz trend you suggest).

Hmmmm 7-8 years ago, National Champions, last year one and done with lots of talent. Are you saying that the program had better results in 2007 than 2001 because thats what it sounds like.

Well, now. I didn't take nun a dat der MSU math, but I'm thinking 2007 - 2001 is neither 7 nor 8.

Go back and look between 1998 and 1999. Records were 8-4 and a first round playoff loss, and 9-3 with a first round playoff loss. Granted, 2000 was a terrific season, but it still didn't culminate in a NC.

I am just always amazed at the number of people who fail to realize just how extremely difficult it is to advance deep in the playoffs every year. I dislike first round losses as much as anyone. But if someone tries to tell me that a first round loss after a no-loss season on the heels of a semi-final appearance constitutes a program on the downturn, I'd simply tell them that they're likely in a very, very small minority.

You do show your um math skills so well. 2001 is 7 years ago, and 98-99 is 9 and 10 years ago.

Hint - the current year is 2008

Huh. And here all along I thought we were talking football seasons.

[Hawks86]

One day, a person went to horse racing area, Instead of counting the number of humans and horses, he instead counted 74 heads and 196 legs. Yet he knew the number of humans and horses there. How did he do it, and how many humans and horses are there?

[cats2506]

Compare the Griz now with the Griz 7 or 8 years ago, when 3 losses in a season wasn't uncommon.

I thought you said years, not seasons

[BigBruceBaker]

The argument can be made that Tiger Woods has also peaked, and perhaps is even on somewhat of a downward trend. He's not winning Majors by 13 strokes any longer.

But no one is going to suggest that he isn't still the greatest player in the world. Are the Griz on an upward climb? Likely not, since there isn't much room to go. Are they on a decline? All evidence would suggest not, given two perfect seasons in a row. Compare the Griz now with the Griz 7 or 8 years ago, when 3 losses in a season wasn't uncommon. I just don't see the "downward trend" argument.

(Also, the argument could certainly be made that the Cats have peaked and are now starting a downward trend. In fact, I think that argument could be justified much more easily than the Griz trend you suggest).

Hmmmm 7-8 years ago, National Champions, last year one and done with lots of talent. Are you saying that the program had better results in 2007 than 2001 because thats what it sounds like.

Well, now. I didn't take nun a dat der MSU math, but I'm thinking 2007 - 2001 is neither 7 nor 8.

Go back and look between 1998 and 1999. Records were 8-4 and a first round playoff loss, and 9-3 with a first round playoff loss. Granted, 2000 was a terrific season, but it still didn't culminate in a NC.

I am just always amazed at the number of people who fail to realize just how extremely difficult it is to advance deep in the playoffs every year. I dislike first round losses as much as anyone. But if someone tries to tell me that a first round loss after a no-loss season on the heels of a semi-final appearance constitutes a program on the downturn, I'd simply tell them that they're likely in a very, very small minority.

Are you talking to your fan base? Because the amount of griz fans that think you should win the NC EVERY YEAR is amazing. They are the people that feed the griz propoganda machine. Our fans are much better informed and think for themselves. We know we are not going to win the NC but we do know we have a great shot at the playoffs. Look to your own fan base before you start talkin down to ours...

And dat der Washintony math soooorreee is guuddd.