J Olsen bolts because he hates whitey?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:49 pm

Au Blue: If someone says "It's warm in here," do you take that as a statement of fact that can be argued ad naseum, or do you take it as a person expressing an opinion on the temperature from their own perspective?

I assumed that most everyone would realize that when I said that I was saying it as an opinion based on the function of my own experience ... especially since a term like "racism" is quite subjective. Generally, unless you are asserting that someone IS a racist, defining the term in great detail is not considered necessary.

So yes, to clarify, that was my opinion. And further, when I say it's "cold outside," that is also my opinion based on my own experience and perspective, and not a matter of fact that could be argued and refuted by introducing a creature from Pluto who would assert that it is actually very warm.

Au Blue · Post by **Au Blue** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:57 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:Au Blue: If someone says "It's warm in here," do you take that as a statement of fact that can be argued ad naseum, or do you take it as a person expressing an opinion on the temperature from their own perspective?

I assumed that most everyone would realize that when I said that I was saying it as an opinion based on the function of my own experience ... especially since a term like "racism" is quite subjective. Generally, unless you are asserting that someone IS a racist, defining the term in great detail is not considered necessary.

So yes, to clarify, that was my opinion. And further, when I say it's "cold outside," that is also my opinion based on my own experience and perspective, and not a matter of fact that could be refuted by introducing a creature from Pluto who would assert that it is actually very warm.

That's fine, now that you've clarified it's your opinion. It was not stated as such in your original post. You clearly pointed out that Alpha (the person) was not racist while clarifying it by saying he only says racist things on this board to get a reaction out of people. Hence the confusion.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:06 pm

Au Blue wrote: That's fine

Can you prove that it's fine? Is there a chance that it's not fine? Have you asked everyone whether it's fine or not? How can you make a statement of fact like that!!!!!!

SACCAT · Post by **SACCAT** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:21 pm

"Can you define the word IS please"

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:36 pm

SACCAT wrote:"Can you define the word IS please"

Depends on what the meaning of the word "is," is.

SACCAT · Post by **SACCAT** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:41 pm

longhorn_22 wrote:
SACCAT wrote:"Can you define the word IS please"
Depends on what the meaning of the word "is," is.

Is that your opinion or are you stating facts.

tampa_griz · Post by **tampa_griz** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:45 pm

Man this is one odd-assed thread.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:47 pm

tampa_griz wrote:Man this is one odd-assed thread.

BAC gives tampa a steely unwavering stare as he slowly ... reaches ... for ... his ... cape.

tampa_griz · Post by **tampa_griz** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:50 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
tampa_griz wrote:Man this is one odd-assed thread.
BAC gives tampa a steely unwavering stare as he slowly ... reaches ... for ... his ... cape.

Yeah I used to think you were a superhero until I realized you were just another drunk in a cape.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:56 pm

tampa_griz wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
tampa_griz wrote:Man this is one odd-assed thread.
BAC gives tampa a steely unwavering stare as he slowly ... reaches ... for ... his ... cape.
Yeah I used to think you were a superhero until I realized you were just another drunk in a cape.

It's purely a coincidence that I happen to perform acts of superhero abilities only when drinking. That doesn't mean that I can't do it sober ... the situations just never arise when I'm sober. It's kinda strange that way.

grizatwork · Post by **grizatwork** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:41 pm

Judging by the tenor of this thread, the upcoming presidential election should get very interesting.

TIrwin24 · Post by **TIrwin24** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:49 am

Before I graduated high school, I toured both MSU and The University of Hawaii at Manoa campus. As an 18 year old, it was very tough being the only 'haole' ('white boy' in Hawaiian) in a tour group full of Asians, Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders. Although I grew up in a culturally diverse area, (Seattle) does that make me a racist?

I eventually came to MSU because of both the similar feel to home, and because I wasn't such a minority. Come to present day and being 24 years old, I would have no problem with attending any campus anywhere in the world.

IMO it is just a maturity issue more than anything else. Not racism.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:48 am

TIrwin24 wrote:Before I graduated high school, I toured both MSU and The University of Hawaii at Manoa campus. As an 18 year old, it was very tough being the only 'haole' ('white boy' in Hawaiian) in a tour group full of Asians, Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders. Although I grew up in a culturally diverse area, (Seattle) does that make me a racist?

I eventually came to MSU because of both the similar feel to home, and because I wasn't such a minority. Come to present day and being 24 years old, I would have no problem with attending any campus anywhere in the world.

IMO it is just a maturity issue more than anything else. Not racism.

Good post.

My point TI was that if a white football player was quitting and had the quote "I am leaving Jackson, Mississippi because it is not diverse and I don't feel like I fit in." he would have his character assassinated by the local media and be labeled a racist, there is a double standard and Olsen got off unscathed.

RationalGriz · Post by **RationalGriz** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:50 am

Just to put a different twist on this thread. But what if the people of Missoula are racist or treat blacks differently because of the lack of growing up with the type of race diversity found elsewhere. Could it be that people made it difficult on J. Olsen, and hence he decided to go somewhere that he was more welcome and felt more like he was wanted and belong. We all know that Missoula is not very diverse, but maybe it is not the actions of J. Olsen that made him feel unwanted and uncomfortable.

RationalGriz · Post by **RationalGriz** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:56 am

AlphaGriz1 wrote: Good post.

My point TI was that if a white football player was quitting and had the quote "I am leaving Jackson, Mississippi because it is not diverse and I don't feel like I fit in." he would have his character assassinated by the local media and be labeled a racist, there is a double standard and Olsen got off unscathed.

Alpha, I am not buying this statement. My feeling is if you want to compare apples to apples, you would almost have to make UM like an HBCU institution. The diversity at these type schools are similar but opposite, and I would find it very difficult to think anyone would have a problem if a white kid left a HBCU school becasue it lacked diversity.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:01 am

RationalGriz wrote:Just to put a different twist on this thread. But what if the people of Missoula are racist or treat blacks differently because of the lack of growing up with the type of race diversity found elsewhere. Could it be that people made it difficult on J. Olsen, and hence he decided to go somewhere that he was more welcome and felt more like he was wanted and belong. We all know that Missoula is not very diverse, but maybe it is not the actions of J. Olsen that made him feel unwanted and uncomfortable.

(Another good post BTW)

I would say that is possible in any other town in Montana but not Missoula.

The hippy lib morons in Missoula DEFINITELY treat blacks differently, because they go out of their way to over accept them. It is weird being at "high end" party's and having the host snag onto the minority and ram them down everyones throat to show you they are not racist and they over do it. It is like they accessorize whatever minority is present and wear them like jewelry.

Why can't people let people be people and treat everyone the same way they treat you? I guess this is too much to ask from a bunch of redneck farm hicks.

RationalGriz · Post by **RationalGriz** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:09 am

Alpha, I for one would consider Missoula accepting, and for lack of a better term, mentally diverse, but I of course am a white person thinking this, and can in no way see it from the other side. But even if the majority of people are this way, there is no way 100% are, which could make it hard on some people.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:39 am

RationalGriz wrote:Alpha, I for one would consider Missoula accepting, and for lack of a better term, mentally diverse, but I of course am a white person thinking this, and can in no way see it from the other side. But even if the majority of people are this way, there is no way 100% are, which could make it hard on some people.

I never meant to imply that 100% are, but of all the towns in MT they are definitely more willing to go out of their way to show you how much smarter they are, how much more accepting they are and how guilty they are.

SACCAT · Post by **SACCAT** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:40 am

So do we even know for sure olson said this?

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:41 am

RationalGriz wrote:
AlphaGriz1 wrote: Good post.

My point TI was that if a white football player was quitting and had the quote "I am leaving Jackson, Mississippi because it is not diverse and I don't feel like I fit in." he would have his character assassinated by the local media and be labeled a racist, there is a double standard and Olsen got off unscathed.
Alpha, I am not buying this statement. My feeling is if you want to compare apples to apples, you would almost have to make UM like an HBCU institution. The diversity at these type schools are similar but opposite, and I would find it very difficult to think anyone would have a problem if a white kid left a HBCU school becasue it lacked diversity.

So if the tables are turned the white guy doesn't have the same gripes a black guy does? Does the white guy have to drink from a different water fountain and sit at the back of the bus as well?

(I prefer the back of the bus, never understood why this was a big deal)