Heisman

futurebobcat · Post by **futurebobcat** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:54 am

kstack wrote:
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AlphaGriz1 wrote:
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Weltercat wrote:You might be surprised this year alpha. The Huskies might be better than you think. Their recruiting class was awesome and I would take Locker over Tebow any day.
I think Locker was the best QB in the country last year. Maybe you misunderstood my post.

Locker is the best player in the country, period.

If the recruiting class is as solid as you say then the numbers are bound to show up as well.

Sorry but Tebow isn't impressive to me, but then again I don't jump on bandwagons like most of you either.
Maybe you should be qualified as a heisman voter based on your intellect on the topic?
I wouldn't vote in that if I was a voter.

The whole thing is lost to the popularity of the marketing campaigns each of the big programs have going.

Sorry, I know you don't think much for your self and tend to run with the popular opinion, I don't roll that way.
If that's the case, then why do you feel so strongly about Lockler winning over Tebow? Florida is a powerhouse football school, moreso than Washington, and nobody can beat their resources, though some schools can match them (Michigan, Ohio St., USC, Notre Dame).

People are already familiar with Tebow. They like him because he is religious and does things like going to the Philipines this past Spring Break to work with sick and injured children (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/edu ... 3908.story).

And he scores lots and lots of touchdown for a high-profile SEC team that could be a national championship contender again. Washington feels good about itself if it goes .500 in the Pac 10. And Lockler is stuck up in the Northwest. Face it, most of the sports media doesn't recognize Seattle.
i agree, but isnt it ideal that the powerhouse-schools get the top recruits? (best of the best)
Yeah, but I'm not sure what you're getting at.

im saying that isnt it expected by being heavily recruited by a big school and his highschool performance that he shouldnt be anything less than one of the best college football players? im thinking alpha doesnt give him credit and doesnt think he deserves anything he's gotten...

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:55 am

My prediction:

Ryan Perriloux - LSU

kstack · Post by **kstack** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:59 am

futurebobcat wrote:
kstack wrote:
futurebobcat wrote:
kstack wrote:
AlphaGriz1 wrote:
futurebobcat wrote:
AlphaGriz1 wrote:
Weltercat wrote:You might be surprised this year alpha. The Huskies might be better than you think. Their recruiting class was awesome and I would take Locker over Tebow any day.
I think Locker was the best QB in the country last year. Maybe you misunderstood my post.

Locker is the best player in the country, period.

If the recruiting class is as solid as you say then the numbers are bound to show up as well.

Sorry but Tebow isn't impressive to me, but then again I don't jump on bandwagons like most of you either.
Maybe you should be qualified as a heisman voter based on your intellect on the topic?
I wouldn't vote in that if I was a voter.

The whole thing is lost to the popularity of the marketing campaigns each of the big programs have going.

Sorry, I know you don't think much for your self and tend to run with the popular opinion, I don't roll that way.
If that's the case, then why do you feel so strongly about Lockler winning over Tebow? Florida is a powerhouse football school, moreso than Washington, and nobody can beat their resources, though some schools can match them (Michigan, Ohio St., USC, Notre Dame).

People are already familiar with Tebow. They like him because he is religious and does things like going to the Philipines this past Spring Break to work with sick and injured children (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/edu ... 3908.story).

And he scores lots and lots of touchdown for a high-profile SEC team that could be a national championship contender again. Washington feels good about itself if it goes .500 in the Pac 10. And Lockler is stuck up in the Northwest. Face it, most of the sports media doesn't recognize Seattle.
i agree, but isnt it ideal that the powerhouse-schools get the top recruits? (best of the best)
Yeah, but I'm not sure what you're getting at.
im saying that isnt it expected by being heavily recruited by a big school and his highschool performance that he shouldnt be anything less than one of the best college football players? im thinking alpha doesnt give him credit and doesnt think he deserves anything he's gotten...

Ahh, gotcha.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:03 pm

Future, Tebow is a good player just not the best in college football.

He puts up good numbers but not dominating like others do. Last year IMO he wasn't in the top 3. This year at the beginning of the season he isn't in the top 5 but that could change.

Not taking anything from the guy, he is solid and an even better person from the sounds of it.

futurebobcat · Post by **futurebobcat** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:49 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:Future, Tebow is a good player just not the best in college football.

He puts up good numbers but not dominating like others do. Last year IMO he wasn't in the top 3. This year at the beginning of the season he isn't in the top 5 but that could change.

Not taking anything from the guy, he is solid and an even better person from the sounds of it.

i disagree with the top 3, i think the only person that "could" have gotten it over him was dennis dickson, hes like tebow with being a dual threat. but at the end tebow did go 20-30 TD's... but whatever its in the past, he won..

seataccat · Post by **seataccat** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:59 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:
Weltercat wrote:You might be surprised this year alpha. The Huskies might be better than you think. Their recruiting class was awesome and I would take Locker over Tebow any day.
I think Locker was the best QB in the country last year. Maybe you misunderstood my post.

Locker is the best player in the country, period.

If the recruiting class is as solid as you say then the numbers are bound to show up as well.

Sorry but Tebow isn't impressive to me, but then again I don't jump on bandwagons like most of you either.

Alpha, I think he meant that the Huskies are going to be a good team, Locker is not their only player.

WORM · Post by **WORM** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:19 am

In everything I have seen on next years rankings I have never ran across the huskies. I do see a kansas team led by reesing being mentioned.(decent team with above average qb) If locker was that good, wouldnt we be hearing something about the possibilities of this team? Lets end this locker for heisman nonsense now.

whizonthegriz · Post by **whizonthegriz** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:51 am

WORM wrote:In everything I have seen on next years rankings I have never ran across the huskies. I do see a kansas team led by reesing being mentioned.(decent team with above average qb) If locker was that good, wouldnt we be hearing something about the possibilities of this team? Lets end this locker for heisman nonsense now.

After the Huskies run the table with, according to ESPN, #23 Oregon, #14 BYU, and #3 Oklahoma to start the season. Everybody will be talking Locker. It will be Locker Here, Locker there, Locker everywhere. I can only imagine the montages ESPN will put together. Locker is that good. Just think Tebow with more speed and a better arm.

BigBruceBaker · Post by **BigBruceBaker** » Thu May 22, 2008 11:12 am

whizonthegriz wrote:
WORM wrote:In everything I have seen on next years rankings I have never ran across the huskies. I do see a kansas team led by reesing being mentioned.(decent team with above average qb) If locker was that good, wouldnt we be hearing something about the possibilities of this team? Lets end this locker for heisman nonsense now.
After the Huskies run the table with, according to ESPN, #23 Oregon, #14 BYU, and #3 Oklahoma to start the season. Everybody will be talking Locker. It will be Locker Here, Locker there, Locker everywhere. I can only imagine the montages ESPN will put together. Locker is that good. Just think Tebow with more speed and a better arm.

Wow you are giving the Huskies A LOT of credit. They won 4 games last year. 2 in confrence. They were downright TERRIBLE

kstack · Post by **kstack** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:21 pm

Below are the Top 10 Heisman candidates according to a blog on, I think, SI.com
http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/188255

1. Chris "Beanie" Wells, Ohio State, RB, Jr.
2. Tim Tebow, Florida, QB, Jr.
3. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia, RB, Soph.
4. Chase Daniel, Missouri, QB, Sr.
5. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech, WR, Soph.
6. Pat White, West Virginia, QB, Sr.
7. James Laurinaitis, Ohio State, LB, Sr.
8. Joe McKnight, USC, RB, Soph.
9. Percy Harvin, Florida, WR, Jr.
10. Cullen Harper, Clemson, QB, Sr

WORM · Post by **WORM** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:27 pm

kstack wrote:Below are the Top 10 Heisman candidates according to a blog on, I think, SI.com
http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/188255

1. Chris "Beanie" Wells, Ohio State, RB, Jr.
2. Tim Tebow, Florida, QB, Jr.
3. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia, RB, Soph.
4. Chase Daniel, Missouri, QB, Sr.
5. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech, WR, Soph.
6. Pat White, West Virginia, QB, Sr.
7. James Laurinaitis, Ohio State, LB, Sr.
8. Joe McKnight, USC, RB, Soph.
9. Percy Harvin, Florida, WR, Jr.
10. Cullen Harper, Clemson, QB, Sr

Thank you for giving us LEGITIMATE candidates for this award.

whizonthegriz · Post by **whizonthegriz** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:26 pm

WORM wrote:
kstack wrote:Below are the Top 10 Heisman candidates according to a blog on, I think, SI.com
http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/188255

1. Chris "Beanie" Wells, Ohio State, RB, Jr.
2. Tim Tebow, Florida, QB, Jr.
3. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia, RB, Soph.
4. Chase Daniel, Missouri, QB, Sr.
5. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech, WR, Soph.
6. Pat White, West Virginia, QB, Sr.
7. James Laurinaitis, Ohio State, LB, Sr.
8. Joe McKnight, USC, RB, Soph.
9. Percy Harvin, Florida, WR, Jr.
10. Cullen Harper, Clemson, QB, Sr
Thank you for giving us LEGITIMATE candidates for this award.

No offense taken, but how did you define legitimate? Locker was very highly regarded coming out of highschool. With the exception of McKnight, he was more highly regarded than the other sophomores on your list. He was a one man band last year. As a freshmen QB, he led a very good offense against the most difficult schedule in the land.

The Huskies were bad last year because of the schedule and an inept defense.

WORM · Post by **WORM** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:32 pm

Locker is a good qb. it takes a program that competes, a national stage, and talent to win the award. he will turn heads this year. i watched him play last year and is talented. He just doesnt have the TEAM that will get him to the heisman. The question is not his skill, its his heisman opportunity in question.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Thu May 22, 2008 4:53 pm

WORM wrote:Locker is a good qb. it takes a program that competes, a national stage, and talent to win the award. he will turn heads this year. i watched him play last year and is talented. He just doesnt have the TEAM that will get him to the heisman. The question is not his skill, its his heisman opportunity in question.

The Heisman is an individual award "ALLEGEDLY" for the best player in college football.

The word "player" is singular.

The Tebow strokers above have said the system or the talent around him don't matter so why do you get away with saying the same thing about Locker?

Locker is the best player in college football, he has more talent than any other player in college football now that McFadden left.

He will raise the bar and may be over looked because he is a west coast player but there isn't anyone better than Locker.

kstack · Post by **kstack** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:37 pm

kstack wrote:Below are the Top 10 Heisman candidates according to a blog on, I think, SI.com
http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/188255

1. Chris "Beanie" Wells, Ohio State, RB, Jr.
2. Tim Tebow, Florida, QB, Jr.
3. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia, RB, Soph.
4. Chase Daniel, Missouri, QB, Sr.
5. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech, WR, Soph.
6. Pat White, West Virginia, QB, Sr.
7. James Laurinaitis, Ohio State, LB, Sr.
8. Joe McKnight, USC, RB, Soph.
9. Percy Harvin, Florida, WR, Jr.
10. Cullen Harper, Clemson, QB, Sr

I don't know how legitimate this list is since it's on a blog created for fans. I'm sure Locker will be in most Heisman discussions, which makes this list seem sort of odd. However, most of the guys on this list will probably be considered semi-serious to serious contenders. I wonder if that kid who chose between Michigan and Ohio State should be on this list, the quarterback who chose not to observe National Signing Day.

BigBruceBaker · Post by **BigBruceBaker** » Fri May 23, 2008 7:53 am

Just because Locker plays for your team doesnt mean hands down hes the best player. Hes a good qb with a bad team. That doesnt make him the best player in the NCAA. He was probably the 4th best qb last year mayb 5th.

Im a huge Miami fan...does this mean that i think that james (their soph or junior running back) is the best in the game? No but hes a friggin stud

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Fri May 23, 2008 9:52 am

BigBruceBaker wrote:Just because Locker plays for your team doesnt mean hands down hes the best player. Hes a good qb with a bad team. That doesnt make him the best player in the NCAA. He was probably the 4th best qb last year mayb 5th.

Im a huge Miami fan...does this mean that i think that james (their soph or junior running back) is the best in the game? No but hes a friggin stud

I am a Nebraska fan I actually dislike the Huskies and really don't like them with Willingham he's a bad coach.

Bo Pelini is going to bring the black shirts back!

kstack · Post by **kstack** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:54 am

Thought I'd revive this post considering the college football season begins this week.

I still say Tebow will repeat as the Heisman winner.

SaxCat · Post by **SaxCat** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:33 am

Tebow will be the guy to win if no one else has an outstanding season just because he's the return guy and the media is hyping the idea of a repeat win. Additionally he will get more attention than many other hopefuls because of that well known coastal media bias.

OTHER People I see as having the right mix of media attention, a potential for a great season, and a good team around them:

1. Chase Daniel, QB Missouri
The key for Chase will be can he beat Oklahoma, he needs at least one win against them two would make him a great candidate.
He will need to do some other spectacular stuff to gain media attention that will by default go to Tebow, he does have the ability and he does have a great offense around him that will put the moves on the Big 12

2. Knowshon Moreno, RB Georgia
The leader of a potential championship team. With Georgia's season last year they have already grabbed some spotlight attention but a stumble early and the attention will go somewhere else.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:23 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:
BigBruceBaker wrote:Just because Locker plays for your team doesnt mean hands down hes the best player. Hes a good qb with a bad team. That doesnt make him the best player in the NCAA. He was probably the 4th best qb last year mayb 5th.

Im a huge Miami fan...does this mean that i think that james (their soph or junior running back) is the best in the game? No but hes a friggin stud
I am a Nebraska fan I actually dislike the Huskies and really don't like them with Willingham he's a bad coach.

Bo Pelini is going to bring the black shirts back!

Let's hope Bo brings em back - Nebraska football is in the sh!tter right now...

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