Question for visiting Griz fans

info197176 · Post by **info197176** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:49 pm

SC: You are right on...Phen has a buddy that coaches on the Bowling Green staff and reccomended Jason. It was common knowledge around Missoula this summer that Bobby was still looking for another drop-down qb after observing Jason in spring ball. Thankfully for us CB maybe has calmed our fears at the qb position, but a lot of big games are in our future and he could slip once or twice along the way.

seataccat · Post by **seataccat** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:38 pm

Oh please, if Hauck would have started CB and squeaked by South Dakota State and Weber and got blown out by Oregon the alum and fans would have been all over him for not going with Washington, c’mon.

Post by **kmax** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:48 pm

seataccat wrote:Oh please, if Hauck would have started CB and squeaked by South Dakota State and Weber and got blown out by Oregon the alum and fans would have been all over him for not going with Washington, c’mon.

You mean kind of like the alums and fans were all over him for starting Washington and not giving CB a chance after they squeeked by SDSU and Weber and got blown out by Oregon????

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:53 pm

seataccat wrote: I don’t think Washington’s separated shoulder is a season ending injury but mark my word he will not start another game as long as CB is healthy. CB is a good QB and Bobby Hauck is not stupid.

Wow.

Do you really believe that? Is Bobby not man enough to tell everyone that he is going to play CB and not Washington? Is there that much pressure that would keep him from making the decision?

One game does not make a QB a stud. CB has not proven himself with one game. This weekend we will see if the ISU game was fluke or if he is the real deal. I wouldn't start going around telling everyone that CB is the man, because if he isn’t the second coming of Craig Ochs (everyone was saying that about Washington) you will really look like a horse’s ass.

seataccat · Post by **seataccat** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:54 pm

Exactly, after going out and getting a 1-a drop down that is a senior they would have been hollerin' like banchees if he would have started off on the bench.

info197176 · Post by **info197176** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:58 pm

btw Washington is a junior...

Post by **kmax** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:16 pm

seataccat wrote:Exactly, after going out and getting a 1-a drop down that is a senior they would have been hollerin' like banchees if he would have started off on the bench.

seataccat, is this in response to me or mquast? If me I think you missed the point of what I was saying. Namely that he has taken just as much grief from fans and alums for starting and sticking with Washington as he ever would have for going with Cole. Besides, Hauck is a smart guy and wants to win I find it very hard to imagine he would start Washington to appease fans/alums if he felt Cole would give him a better chance to win.

seataccat · Post by **seataccat** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:22 pm

kmax
I understood your point perfectly. I think you missed mine. I will try to explain myself better. I believe coach Hauck knew from the beginning that Cole Berquist was the better QB than Jason Washington. Since they spent a scholarship on a drop down 1-A transfer there was going to be pressure to use him. If he went with the RS freshman Cole Berquist from the beginning and there was less than a stellar start the heat would be on to put in Washington whom he knows is not the best choice. That would have been bad news going into league play with pressure to use Jason Washington. Yes, there was pressure to use Cole Berquist after it became apparent that Washington sucks and Hauck knew that. This gave Hauck the QB that he wanted before league play and got the fans off his back to boot.

My point is there is politics that go with being the grizzly coach. There was more to the story than Jason Washington beating Cole Berquist out for the starting QB position and Berquist stepping in for him when he was injured. Cole Berquist would be the griz starter now whether Jason Washington was hurt or not.

Like I said in my original post Hauck is a smart guy. It’s pure conjecture but I really do believe it.

Post by **kmax** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:36 pm

seataccat wrote:Cole Berquist would be the griz starter now whether Jason Washington was hurt or not.

I guess this is where we will just have to agree to disagree. I saw nothing out of the Griz camp to show that Berquist would be getting a start against ISU had Washington not gotten hurt. Many fans and alums wanted it, but looking at who was actually playing, I just don't see it.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:06 pm

seataccat,
The only flaw in your theory to me is this seems to be an over-analyzation of what has transpired in the Griz camp this year.

Look at it this way, if CB was the QB that Hauck wanted on the field, wouldn't he have wanted some more game time experience in non-league games to get him more comfortable with game time speed and how the first team plays? I find it hard to believe he wouldn't.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:18 am

TOTALLY disagree with seatac.

There is NO WAY Bergquist starts the ISU game if Washington isn't hurt. No head coach would be stupid enough to keep his preferred QB on the bench and give him very few LIVE snaps while playing a QB he KNEW wasn't going to end up being his "guy".

Post by **kmax** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:04 am

barechestcat wrote:seataccat,
The only flaw in your theory to me is this seems to be an over-analyzation of what has transpired in the Griz camp this year.

Look at it this way, if CB was the QB that Hauck wanted on the field, wouldn't he have wanted some more game time experience in non-league games to get him more comfortable with game time speed and how the first team plays? I find it hard to believe he wouldn't.

Exactly what I am trying to say. Thanks.

seataccat · Post by **seataccat** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:23 pm

barechestcat wrote:seataccat,
The only flaw in your theory to me is this seems to be an over-analyzation of what has transpired in the Griz camp this year.

Look at it this way, if CB was the QB that Hauck wanted on the field, wouldn't he have wanted some more game time experience in non-league games to get him more comfortable with game time speed and how the first team plays? I find it hard to believe he wouldn't.

You are probably right, however, I do think that the high donation boosters influence the program more than they should and Hauck has to appease them to keep his job as well as coach. I certainly did not say that CB was the second coming of Dave Dickinson or Craig Ochs but he is a damn site better than JW and Hauck has to know that. Politics man!

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:10 pm

seataccat wrote:
barechestcat wrote:seataccat,
The only flaw in your theory to me is this seems to be an over-analyzation of what has transpired in the Griz camp this year.

Look at it this way, if CB was the QB that Hauck wanted on the field, wouldn't he have wanted some more game time experience in non-league games to get him more comfortable with game time speed and how the first team plays? I find it hard to believe he wouldn't.
You are probably right, however, I do think that the high donation boosters influence the program more than they should and Hauck has to appease them to keep his job as well as coach. I certainly did not say that CB was the second coming of Dave Dickinson or Craig Ochs but he is a damn site better than JW and Hauck has to know that. Politics man!

So now our coach is making his decisions to appease some high donation boosters? Who are they and how much have they given?

I am pretty sure all the coach has to do to keep his job is to run a clean program and win football games.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:28 pm

No. Our coach is making the decisions he makes because he does not have the ability to make better ones.......

MaZooLaGriz · Post by **MaZooLaGriz** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:05 pm

barechestcat wrote:I've noticed an increase in tension lately between Griz and Cat fans.

Yeah, more tension than I've ever seen/felt. It's not good... it's a sickness on both sides. We are intolerant of any coaching errors, and we wear our program's success as badges of honor. You can't stand the Griz tradition nor anything that perpetuates it. Somehow we've got to get the "Montana" thing back, if even to suspend it for that one Saturday in November.

As for Hauck... who knows? Could be that he is hanging on by the skin of his teeth. Or, it could be that he's a genius who has figured out how to win with very young talent. Maybe his biggest sin is that he doesn't communicate like Glenn.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:54 pm

Seems to me the tension is back more the past few years because the Bobcats have been competing with the Grizzlies on a more equal basis. That alone will bring out more excitement thus more tension I think. I live and die the Bobcats... and I used to cheer for any team playing the Griz... but the past several years I chose to see both as teams representing the State of Montana... and though will always be a die hard bleeding blue and gold Bobcat... I like to see both teams have success and the Bobcats and Griz play for the title in all sports.... of course the Cats winning all....

MaZooLaGriz · Post by **MaZooLaGriz** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:18 pm

Agreed, CatFamily.... agreed. Well, except for that Cat winning dealio.

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:45 pm

Cat Family wrote:

Seems to me the tension is back more the past few years because the Bobcats have been competing with the Grizzlies on a more equal basis. That alone will bring out more excitement thus more tension I think.

I think there was frustration from the Bobcat side as that infamous streak grew. But then once we won, the tensions didn't go away. I think that Coach Hauck didn't help with his comments after the 2003 Cat-Griz game. And there are numbers of us on both sides that can't root for the other side. I have a hard time rooting for the Griz, thanks to the 97 Cat-Griz game. Anyway, we should really act like Montanans and get along. That's what Montanans are best known for. Except for that one week in November. Go Cats!

grizband · Post by **grizband** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:12 pm

Boz,

What happened in th 1997 Cat/Griz game to make you feel this way?

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