A little inside to coach Stitt

[allcat]

All the above are reasonable assumptions and points. When talking with a few of the players and parents they seem to be all smiles Should be an interesting year to say the least.

I've heard of at least some players and parents that aren't all smiles.

Both are going to br true with every program. The players that are being told to look elsewhere are going to dislike what's going on.

[CelticCat]

I'm definitely interested to see what he brings to the table. Big Sky is a good fit for him, lots of offense. At the same time, we are conference with so many different offensive schemes, he might not be able to take many by surprise.

[John K]

Only time will tell. But the whole record at CSM is not really that impressive, it really reminds me of NAU. He spins it that "we have really smart guys, so what we do is really impressive". I think Stanford has really smart guys and they seem to do better against their competition. Harvard usually seems to beat the other Ivy's. My take on it is, he will win more than he loses, but I'd be surprised if he catches the Big Sky defenses totally flatfooted.

For whatever it's worth, Stitt's record at CSM is actually very comparable to Ash's record at Drake. They both were successful, but neither of them dominated their conference, and they each took a fairly equivalent step up, when moving to MSU/UM (the level of play in a good D-II conference is probably about the same as in a non-scholly FCS league). I think it's really hard to predict how well a coach will do at the next level. Joe Glenn won a couple of NC at UNCU when they were still D-II, and then won one at UM in his 2nd year on the job. Earle won a couple of NC at NDSU when they were still D-II, and failed miserably at MSU. Although I've always wondered how Glenn would have fared if had stayed longer at UM. He won his NC with Dennehy's players, and you really can't judge a coach very accurately, until he's gone through at least a couple of seasons with his own recruits. UM was down a little (by their standards) in 2002-2003, which could mean that his recruiting classes may not have been that great.

[allcat]

Only time will tell. But the whole record at CSM is not really that impressive, it really reminds me of NAU. He spins it that "we have really smart guys, so what we do is really impressive". I think Stanford has really smart guys and they seem to do better against their competition. Harvard usually seems to beat the other Ivy's. My take on it is, he will win more than he loses, but I'd be surprised if he catches the Big Sky defenses totally flatfooted.

For whatever it's worth, Stitt's record at CSM is actually very comparable to Ash's record at Drake. They both were successful, but neither of them dominated their conference, and they each took a fairly equivalent step up, when moving to MSU/UM (the level of play in a good D-II conference is probably about the same as in a non-scholly FCS league). I think it's really hard to predict how well a coach will do at the next level. Joe Glenn won a couple of NC at UNCU when they were still D-II, and then won one at UM in his 2nd year on the job. Earle won a couple of NC at NDSU when they were still D-II, and failed miserably at MSU. Although I've always wondered how Glenn would have fared if had stayed longer at UM. He won his NC with Dennehy's players, and you really can't judge a coach very accurately, until he's gone through at least a couple of seasons with his own recruits. UM was down a little (by their standards) in 2002-2003, which could mean that his recruiting classes may not have been that great.

It is the whole record. Ash would never ave had a sniff of the playoffs in that conference. Stott never took a team deep in the playoffs, in a strong d2 conference. I'm not saying he's bad, just not great.

[PapaG]

Tell that to West Virginia when they put up 70 on Clemson in their 2012 Bowl Game using some of Stitt's playbook.

So did wv fully implement the offense after this game or was it a one time gimmicky thing?

Also did wv have elite talent that year?

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WVU only averaged 4.3 yards per rush in that Orange Bowl, and had Tavon Austin, an NFL first round pick, who only ran 4 fly sweeps for 46 yards and zero TDs. He did have 11 catches for 123 yards and 4 TDs, though.

Geno Smith threw for 407 yards and six TDs that game as well. NFL starting QB in Smith, NFL first-round pick in Austin, yeah, talent matters.

So, it appears that the Griz fan has selective memory.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=320040228

[PapaG]

Earle won a couple of NC at NDSU when they were still D-II, and failed miserably at MSU.

Earle failed because he never had a running QB. A frat buddy of mine came to MSU to play football as a dual-threat QB, and Earle was fired after his redshirt season. He would have been a perfect QB for the triple option, which he ran in high school.

Thankfully for us Sigs, we dominated intramural frat football, and even won an overall title with him as our QB.

Side story: the QB who took over for my buddy at Marshfield HS in Coos Bay, OR, was a sophomore named Mark Helfrich.

It's kind of amazing that a tiny blue-collar coastal town like Coos Bay can claim Steve Prefontaine and Mark Helfrich as natives.

[go96griz]

Tell that to West Virginia when they put up 70 on Clemson in their 2012 Bowl Game using some of Stitt's playbook.

So did wv fully implement the offense after this game or was it a one time gimmicky thing?

Also did wv have elite talent that year?

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WVU only averaged 4.3 yards per rush in that Orange Bowl, and had Tavon Austin, an NFL first round pick, who only ran 4 fly sweeps for 46 yards and zero TDs. He did have 11 catches for 123 yards and 4 TDs, though.

Geno Smith threw for 407 yards and six TDs that game as well. NFL starting QB in Smith, NFL first-round pick in Austin, yeah, talent matters.

So, it appears that the Griz fan has selective memory.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=320040228

It was 62-20 WVU less than midway through the 3rd quarter. Could it be possible that WVU resorted to ground and pound to run out the game clock? That would likely skew the rushing statistics downward? Notice how many times WVU scored after that point? It sure appears they tried to ice the game and run out the clock to me.

[John K]

Earle won a couple of NC at NDSU when they were still D-II, and failed miserably at MSU.

Earle failed because he never had a running QB. A frat buddy of mine came to MSU to play football as a dual-threat QB, and Earle was fired after his redshirt season. He would have been a perfect QB for the triple option, which he ran in high school.

Thankfully for us Sigs, we dominated intramural frat football, and even won an overall title with him as our QB.

Side story: the QB who took over for my buddy at Marshfield HS in Coos Bay, OR, was a sophomore named Mark Helfrich.

It's kind of amazing that a tiny blue-collar coastal town like Coos Bay can claim Steve Prefontaine and Mark Helfrich as natives.

Earle had a running QB early in his tenure...John Tetrault. Not necessarily a good one, but he was a running QB. But then the last couple of years that he was at MSU, he went away from the option offense.

[SonomaCat]

Tell that to West Virginia when they put up 70 on Clemson in their 2012 Bowl Game using some of Stitt's playbook.

So did wv fully implement the offense after this game or was it a one time gimmicky thing?

Also did wv have elite talent that year?

Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

WVU only averaged 4.3 yards per rush in that Orange Bowl, and had Tavon Austin, an NFL first round pick, who only ran 4 fly sweeps for 46 yards and zero TDs. He did have 11 catches for 123 yards and 4 TDs, though.

Geno Smith threw for 407 yards and six TDs that game as well. NFL starting QB in Smith, NFL first-round pick in Austin, yeah, talent matters.

So, it appears that the Griz fan has selective memory.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=320040228

It was 62-20 WVU less than midway through the 3rd quarter. Could it be possible that WVU resorted to ground and pound to run out the game clock? That would likely skew the rushing statistics downward? Notice how many times WVU scored after that point? It sure appears they tried to ice the game and run out the clock to me.

Wow ... there is really a lot riding on this one WVU game in terms of the myth-making of this coach, isn't there? Just out of curiosity, who first provided this game as evidence of Stitt's genius? It's an extremely obscure reference that obviously doesn't hold up very well under review, but it seems to be repeated a lot as unquestioned evidence of this assertion.

[GRIZFNZ]

Tell that to West Virginia when they put up 70 on Clemson in their 2012 Bowl Game using some of Stitt's playbook.

So did wv fully implement the offense after this game or was it a one time gimmicky thing?

Also did wv have elite talent that year?

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WVU only averaged 4.3 yards per rush in that Orange Bowl, and had Tavon Austin, an NFL first round pick, who only ran 4 fly sweeps for 46 yards and zero TDs. He did have 11 catches for 123 yards and 4 TDs, though.

Geno Smith threw for 407 yards and six TDs that game as well. NFL starting QB in Smith, NFL first-round pick in Austin, yeah, talent matters.

So, it appears that the Griz fan has selective memory.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=320040228

It was 62-20 WVU less than midway through the 3rd quarter. Could it be possible that WVU resorted to ground and pound to run out the game clock? That would likely skew the rushing statistics downward? Notice how many times WVU scored after that point? It sure appears they tried to ice the game and run out the clock to me.

Wow ... there is really a lot riding on this one WVU game in terms of the myth-making of this coach, isn't there? Just out of curiosity, who first provided this game as evidence of Stitt's genius? It's an extremely obscure reference that obviously doesn't hold up very well under review, but it seems to be repeated a lot as unquestioned evidence of this assertion.

Here's some interesting reading, some may even consider it evidence.


http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entr ... 8/34204146

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc ... e/1659819/

http://thevikingage.com/2015/04/04/viki ... bob-stitt/

http://thebeatofsports.com/why-chip-kel ... ach-smile/

[SonomaCat]

The evidence you are presenting must be that WVU only used one of his plays (which they gained a total of 50 yards upon in 4 rushes, per the posts above?) ... at least that's what the stories seem to suggest.

Like I said, the path from reality to mythology can move quickly with some good self-promotion, some willing folks in the media who are easily enamored with the "Ahhh, he's from a school I've never heard of, this story will get clicks!" narrative, and a lot of people who want to believe.

Again, I think he will be successful at Montana, but I think the offensive genius thing is built more on mythology than reality.

If he truly was an offensive genius of the level some have claimed, he'd be making a lot more money at this juncture in his career (the guy is 51 and just got his first shot at a very modestly paid, by football genius standards, FCS job) than he is.

[KittieKop]

Here's a serious question. If this guy is the serious control freak he's being made out to be - passing up multiple FBS OC jobs so he can maintain control of his offense, what happens if his game changing, innovative offense lays an egg? Can he give up control to a new OC to call plays, or is he riding the horse off the cliff? People rode Ash for not ceding control of an offense that stagnated...... Could be the same story?

[SonomaCat]

Here's a serious question. If this guy is the serious control freak he's being made out to be - passing up multiple FBS OC jobs so he can maintain control of his offense, what happens if his game changing, innovative offense lays an egg? Can he give up control to a new OC to call plays, or is he riding the horse off the cliff? People rode Ash for not ceding control of an offense that stagnated...... Could be the same story?

Given how he apparently got this job due to his expertise on offense, I would think he'd have to be fired if the offense isn't really good at UM under him.

[Rich K]

Here's a serious question. If this guy is the serious control freak he's being made out to be - passing up multiple FBS OC jobs so he can maintain control of his offense, what happens if his game changing, innovative offense lays an egg? Can he give up control to a new OC to call plays, or is he riding the horse off the cliff? People rode Ash for not ceding control of an offense that stagnated...... Could be the same story?

He might be a One Stitt Pony.

[PapaG]

Tell that to West Virginia when they put up 70 on Clemson in their 2012 Bowl Game using some of Stitt's playbook.

So did wv fully implement the offense after this game or was it a one time gimmicky thing?

Also did wv have elite talent that year?

Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

WVU only averaged 4.3 yards per rush in that Orange Bowl, and had Tavon Austin, an NFL first round pick, who only ran 4 fly sweeps for 46 yards and zero TDs. He did have 11 catches for 123 yards and 4 TDs, though.

Geno Smith threw for 407 yards and six TDs that game as well. NFL starting QB in Smith, NFL first-round pick in Austin, yeah, talent matters.

So, it appears that the Griz fan has selective memory.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=320040228

It was 62-20 WVU less than midway through the 3rd quarter. Could it be possible that WVU resorted to ground and pound to run out the game clock? That would likely skew the rushing statistics downward? Notice how many times WVU scored after that point? It sure appears they tried to ice the game and run out the clock to me.

Wow ... there is really a lot riding on this one WVU game in terms of the myth-making of this coach, isn't there? Just out of curiosity, who first provided this game as evidence of Stitt's genius? It's an extremely obscure reference that obviously doesn't hold up very well under review, but it seems to be repeated a lot as unquestioned evidence of this assertion.

Here's some interesting reading, some may even consider it evidence.


http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entr ... 8/34204146

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc ... e/1659819/

http://thevikingage.com/2015/04/04/viki ... bob-stitt/

http://thebeatofsports.com/why-chip-kel ... ach-smile/

Was Mike Riley's phone blowing up, too, because I saw Oregon State run both fly sweep variations starting from the day James Rodgers got on campus.

I'm interested to see what happens if the Griz struggle this year. A new coach who has never coached a program as large as UM, or a booster base as near demanding as the GSA, could lead for some unique reactions from said coach.

[Weltercat]

Tell that to West Virginia when they put up 70 on Clemson in their 2012 Bowl Game using some of Stitt's playbook.

So did wv fully implement the offense after this game or was it a one time gimmicky thing?

Also did wv have elite talent that year?

Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

WVU only averaged 4.3 yards per rush in that Orange Bowl, and had Tavon Austin, an NFL first round pick, who only ran 4 fly sweeps for 46 yards and zero TDs. He did have 11 catches for 123 yards and 4 TDs, though.

Geno Smith threw for 407 yards and six TDs that game as well. NFL starting QB in Smith, NFL first-round pick in Austin, yeah, talent matters.

So, it appears that the Griz fan has selective memory.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=320040228

It was 62-20 WVU less than midway through the 3rd quarter. Could it be possible that WVU resorted to ground and pound to run out the game clock? That would likely skew the rushing statistics downward? Notice how many times WVU scored after that point? It sure appears they tried to ice the game and run out the clock to me.

Wow ... there is really a lot riding on this one WVU game in terms of the myth-making of this coach, isn't there? Just out of curiosity, who first provided this game as evidence of Stitt's genius? It's an extremely obscure reference that obviously doesn't hold up very well under review, but it seems to be repeated a lot as unquestioned evidence of this assertion.

Here's some interesting reading, some may even consider it evidence.


http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entr ... 8/34204146

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc ... e/1659819/

http://thevikingage.com/2015/04/04/viki ... bob-stitt/

http://thebeatofsports.com/why-chip-kel ... ach-smile/

I think this settles it, he's a genius.