MSU Billings Football Program?

[BobCatFan]

Just from a financial stand point, MSUB should go with the Frontier Conference, as most if not all, of the member schools are in Montana and North Dakota. It would be a great conference. Currently, MSUB flies all over the place for their other sports. Does Great West, or whatever their conference is called, even play football?

Now if they can schedule their home games opposite MSU!!!!!

[vike_king]

Just from a financial stand point, MSUB should go with the Frontier Conference, as most if not all, of the member schools are in Montana and North Dakota. It would be a great conference. Currently, MSUB flies all over the place for their other sports. Does Great West, or whatever their conference is called, even play football?

Now if they can schedule their home games opposite MSU!!!!!

We are gonna have to start calling them Eastern again to avoid confusion.....

[PapaG]

Somewhat related, but I was interviewing someone a few months ago who had "Montana State University" on their resume, and was entering the job market. It turns out that they went to MSU-B, which I have no problem with at all. The person got the job, but I'd like to ask the board a question.

Should MSU-B graduates put "Montana State University - Billings" on their resume, or is OK in terms of ethics to just put "Montana State University". I didn't feel that the young man was trying to pull a fast one, because he talked about his jobs during college in Billings. I'm 20 years out of college, and don't really know the business etiquette of putting colleges on a resume. After the first 3-4 years in the business world, the degree and where it's from means almost nothing.

[Hi-Line Bobcat]

Somewhat related, but I was interviewing someone a few months ago who had "Montana State University" on their resume, and was entering the job market. It turns out that they went to MSU-B, which I have no problem with at all. The person got the job, but I'd like to ask the board a question.

Should MSU-B graduates put "Montana State University - Billings" on their resume, or is OK in terms of ethics to just put "Montana State University". I didn't feel that the young man was trying to pull a fast one, because he talked about his jobs during college in Billings. I'm 20 years out of college, and don't really know the business etiquette of putting colleges on a resume. After the first 3-4 years in the business world, the degree and where it's from means almost nothing.

Probably was unintentional and I bet you won't see much of that again. Seems to me, at least now days, you get the job based on who you know and the connection with the firm compared to your education and where you went to school. By the way if your twenty years out of college you are looking young. Hell I'm three years out of college and I look about the same age

[SonomaCat]

Somewhat related, but I was interviewing someone a few months ago who had "Montana State University" on their resume, and was entering the job market. It turns out that they went to MSU-B, which I have no problem with at all. The person got the job, but I'd like to ask the board a question.

Should MSU-B graduates put "Montana State University - Billings" on their resume, or is OK in terms of ethics to just put "Montana State University". I didn't feel that the young man was trying to pull a fast one, because he talked about his jobs during college in Billings. I'm 20 years out of college, and don't really know the business etiquette of putting colleges on a resume. After the first 3-4 years in the business world, the degree and where it's from means almost nothing.

I wouldn't necessarily assume he was intentionally doing anything misleading, but they definitely should specify "MSU-Billings" as opposed to just MSU. They really are totally different universities with different reputations. It would be like somebody listing "California," suggesting Berkeley, when they actually graduated from UC-Merced.

I get even more adamant about it when I think about somebody from Northern doing the same thing.

[allcat]

Somewhat related, but I was interviewing someone a few months ago who had "Montana State University" on their resume, and was entering the job market. It turns out that they went to MSU-B, which I have no problem with at all. The person got the job, but I'd like to ask the board a question.

Should MSU-B graduates put "Montana State University - Billings" on their resume, or is OK in terms of ethics to just put "Montana State University". I didn't feel that the young man was trying to pull a fast one, because he talked about his jobs during college in Billings. I'm 20 years out of college, and don't really know the business etiquette of putting colleges on a resume. After the first 3-4 years in the business world, the degree and where it's from means almost nothing.

I wouldn't necessarily assume he was intentionally doing anything misleading, but they definitely should specify "MSU-Billings" as opposed to just MSU. They really are totally different universities with different reputations. It would be like somebody listing "California," suggesting Berkeley, when they actually graduated from UC-Merced.

I get even more adamant about it when I think about somebody from Northern doing the same thing.

I lost a job once because they asked me if I had a degree in accounting. I said that my degree was a batchelor of business- accounting. I learned to say yes I have a degree in accounting. One little thing like that can cost you a job. The kid did not lie, kudos to him in getting the job.

[Catfanatic84]

Just from a financial stand point, MSUB should go with the Frontier Conference, as most if not all, of the member schools are in Montana and North Dakota. It would be a great conference. Currently, MSUB flies all over the place for their other sports. Does Great West, or whatever their conference is called, even play football?

Now if they can schedule their home games opposite MSU!!!!!

We are gonna have to start calling them Eastern again to avoid confusion.....

Instead of Eastern, how about Billings State U ala Boise State?

[Rich K]

Just from a financial stand point, MSUB should go with the Frontier Conference, as most if not all, of the member schools are in Montana and North Dakota. It would be a great conference. Currently, MSUB flies all over the place for their other sports. Does Great West, or whatever their conference is called, even play football?

Now if they can schedule their home games opposite MSU!!!!!

We are gonna have to start calling them Eastern again to avoid confusion.....

Instead of Eastern, how about Billings State U ala Boise State?

What was wrong with the original name, Eastern Montana State Normal School?

[The Butcher]

My undergraduate is from Montana State University and my graduate degree is from Montana State University- Billings. That is how I have it on my resume- two different schools.

[Siouxfan]

I think it would be good for the Billings community if they were to have a DII football program, but does Billings/state of Montana really need another college football program? Montana has one of the smallest populations and already has a ton of college football imo

Great question. Purely from a population standpoint, it makes a lot more sense for Billings to have a team, versus Havre.

Well they do have Rocky.
It might be more viable if the team was DII vs. NAIA but I'd like to read more on the subject.

MSU-Billings plays in the Great Northwest Conference, so that would be the initial avenue they would have to pursue. MSU-B is a DII program, not NAIA, and would take a school-wide change for MSU-B to be part of the Frontier (NAIA). Other options might be the Rocky Mountain Conference (mostly CO schools, but with Black Hills St and Chadron Ne St, and SD Mines is looking there) or the Northern Sun (mostly MN schools, but with U Mary in Bismarck and Minot State in Minot plus a couple of SD, NE, and Ia schools).

Always thought the best approach for MSU-B would be to start a DI hockey team and play in the Metra. As a DII school, MSU-B would automatically be DI in hockey and could play in the revised WCHA (with Alaska, Minn, Mich DII schools and UAH, and Bowling Green). A DI hockey team would play well throughout the state, is something Billings could afford (football is not), and would benefit (or not harm) the main MSU programs. MSU-B football can't compete with MSU or UM and won't get much interest.

[SonomaCat]

Always thought the best approach for MSU-B would be to start a DI hockey team and play in the Metra. As a DII school, MSU-B would automatically be DI in hockey and could play in the revised WCHA (with Alaska, Minn, Mich DII schools and UAH, and Bowling Green). A DI hockey team would play well throughout the state, is something Billings could afford (football is not), and would benefit (or not harm) the main MSU programs. MSU-B football can't compete with MSU or UM and won't get much interest.

This sounds like a great idea ... I wonder if they ever examined this approach. It's a relatively cheap sport, and would be a way for them to monopolize that sport within the entire state. Sounds like a winner.

[Rich K]

Always thought the best approach for MSU-B would be to start a DI hockey team and play in the Metra. As a DII school, MSU-B would automatically be DI in hockey and could play in the revised WCHA (with Alaska, Minn, Mich DII schools and UAH, and Bowling Green). A DI hockey team would play well throughout the state, is something Billings could afford (football is not), and would benefit (or not harm) the main MSU programs. MSU-B football can't compete with MSU or UM and won't get much interest.

This sounds like a great idea ... I wonder if they ever examined this approach. It's a relatively cheap sport, and would be a way for them to monopolize that sport within the entire state. Sounds like a winner.

When the Bulls played at the Metra they had a pretty good following. Bringing in another hockey team to help with the expense of playing at the Metra might also help bring a Junior A club back to Billngs. Having the same kind of partnership that we enjoy with baseball, like the relationship Dehler Park has with the Mustangs, MSU-B, and the American Legion clubs, would be something to look at.

[Siouxfan]

Always thought the best approach for MSU-B would be to start a DI hockey team and play in the Metra. As a DII school, MSU-B would automatically be DI in hockey and could play in the revised WCHA (with Alaska, Minn, Mich DII schools and UAH, and Bowling Green). A DI hockey team would play well throughout the state, is something Billings could afford (football is not), and would benefit (or not harm) the main MSU programs. MSU-B football can't compete with MSU or UM and won't get much interest.

This sounds like a great idea ... I wonder if they ever examined this approach. It's a relatively cheap sport, and would be a way for them to monopolize that sport within the entire state. Sounds like a winner.

When the Bulls played at the Metra they had a pretty good following. Bringing in another hockey team to help with the expense of playing at the Metra might also help bring a Junior A club back to Billngs. Having the same kind of partnership that we enjoy with baseball, like the relationship Dehler Park has with the Mustangs, MSU-B, and the American Legion clubs, would be something to look at.

My understanding is that MSU-Billings looked at adding DI college hockey at least 10 years ago, but no league would offer them a position so that pursuit of hockey was dropped. Since then, the western leagues of the WCHA and CCHA have divided into the NCHC, the new WCHA, and the Big Ten. MSU-B would have a shot at gaining WCHA status, maybe along with Minot State (or schools like Eastern Washington near Spokane or Simon Fraser in Vancouver, BC). The NCHC want's higher profile athletically and academic schools (like Iowa State, Utah, and Colorado St), while obviously the Big Ten is targeting Big Ten schools (Illinois, Indiana, and Nebraska have all been rumored).

DI Hockey, with 18 equivalencies, is much easier to meet Title IX requirements than for DII football, would kick start hockey in Billings and Montana and would get a lot of corporate support during the Billings winter with at least 7 weekends of Yellowjacket hockey. MSU-B has a high female enrollment that could meet Title IX needs with a sport like DII women's lacrosse, which is growing in the intermountain west (places like Colorado Mesa). Alaska-Anchorage and Alaska-Fairbanks would be two members of its current DII league that play DI hockey. Finally, downtown Billings could really benefit and the Canadian provinces just north of Montana are the best college hockey recruiting grounds in the world (places like California and Seattle/Portland are pretty good too). Bozeman and Missoula really don't have a DI appropriate rink, while Billings the the one location in Montana that could really pretty easily field a profitable DI college hockey team, IMHO. (generally 3-4000 people / game is needed).

[WeedKillinCat]

Always thought the best approach for MSU-B would be to start a DI hockey team and play in the Metra. As a DII school, MSU-B would automatically be DI in hockey and could play in the revised WCHA (with Alaska, Minn, Mich DII schools and UAH, and Bowling Green). A DI hockey team would play well throughout the state, is something Billings could afford (football is not), and would benefit (or not harm) the main MSU programs. MSU-B football can't compete with MSU or UM and won't get much interest.

This sounds like a great idea ... I wonder if they ever examined this approach. It's a relatively cheap sport, and would be a way for them to monopolize that sport within the entire state. Sounds like a winner.

When the Bulls played at the Metra they had a pretty good following. Bringing in another hockey team to help with the expense of playing at the Metra might also help bring a Junior A club back to Billngs. Having the same kind of partnership that we enjoy with baseball, like the relationship Dehler Park has with the Mustangs, MSU-B, and the American Legion clubs, would be something to look at.

My understanding is that MSU-Billings looked at adding DI college hockey at least 10 years ago, but no league would offer them a position so that pursuit of hockey was dropped. Since then, the western leagues of the WCHA and CCHA have divided into the NCHC, the new WCHA, and the Big Ten. MSU-B would have a shot at gaining WCHA status, maybe along with Minot State (or schools like Eastern Washington near Spokane or Simon Fraser in Vancouver, BC). The NCHC want's higher profile athletically and academic schools (like Iowa State, Utah, and Colorado St), while obviously the Big Ten is targeting Big Ten schools (Illinois, Indiana, and Nebraska have all been rumored).

DI Hockey, with 18 equivalencies, is much easier to meet Title IX requirements than for DII football, would kick start hockey in Billings and Montana and would get a lot of corporate support during the Billings winter with at least 7 weekends of Yellowjacket hockey. MSU-B has a high female enrollment that could meet Title IX needs with a sport like DII women's lacrosse, which is growing in the intermountain west (places like Colorado Mesa). Alaska-Anchorage and Alaska-Fairbanks would be two members of its current DII league that play DI hockey. Finally, downtown Billings could really benefit and the Canadian provinces just north of Montana are the best college hockey recruiting grounds in the world (places like California and Seattle/Portland are pretty good too). Bozeman and Missoula really don't have a DI appropriate rink, while Billings the the one location in Montana that could really pretty easily field a profitable DI college hockey team, IMHO. (generally 3-4000 people / game is needed).

The problem with Billings is we have no decent ice arena. The Metra pulled their ice due to the costs of replacing the refrigeration system. The only way they will have ice is if the promoter would bring in their own portable system in. Centennial Ice Arena is on it's last legs and is actually pretty embarrassing. The locker rooms are crap and the view from the few seats is not good. I've seen screws hanging out of the boards on the outside. Centennial is working on raising funds for a new facility. On a side note, I would love to see the club team in Bozeman become an official MSU Sport

[Siouxfan]

Always thought the best approach for MSU-B would be to start a DI hockey team and play in the Metra. As a DII school, MSU-B would automatically be DI in hockey and could play in the revised WCHA (with Alaska, Minn, Mich DII schools and UAH, and Bowling Green). A DI hockey team would play well throughout the state, is something Billings could afford (football is not), and would benefit (or not harm) the main MSU programs. MSU-B football can't compete with MSU or UM and won't get much interest.

This sounds like a great idea ... I wonder if they ever examined this approach. It's a relatively cheap sport, and would be a way for them to monopolize that sport within the entire state. Sounds like a winner.

When the Bulls played at the Metra they had a pretty good following. Bringing in another hockey team to help with the expense of playing at the Metra might also help bring a Junior A club back to Billngs. Having the same kind of partnership that we enjoy with baseball, like the relationship Dehler Park has with the Mustangs, MSU-B, and the American Legion clubs, would be something to look at.

My understanding is that MSU-Billings looked at adding DI college hockey at least 10 years ago, but no league would offer them a position so that pursuit of hockey was dropped. Since then, the western leagues of the WCHA and CCHA have divided into the NCHC, the new WCHA, and the Big Ten. MSU-B would have a shot at gaining WCHA status, maybe along with Minot State (or schools like Eastern Washington near Spokane or Simon Fraser in Vancouver, BC). The NCHC want's higher profile athletically and academic schools (like Iowa State, Utah, and Colorado St), while obviously the Big Ten is targeting Big Ten schools (Illinois, Indiana, and Nebraska have all been rumored).

DI Hockey, with 18 equivalencies, is much easier to meet Title IX requirements than for DII football, would kick start hockey in Billings and Montana and would get a lot of corporate support during the Billings winter with at least 7 weekends of Yellowjacket hockey. MSU-B has a high female enrollment that could meet Title IX needs with a sport like DII women's lacrosse, which is growing in the intermountain west (places like Colorado Mesa). Alaska-Anchorage and Alaska-Fairbanks would be two members of its current DII league that play DI hockey. Finally, downtown Billings could really benefit and the Canadian provinces just north of Montana are the best college hockey recruiting grounds in the world (places like California and Seattle/Portland are pretty good too). Bozeman and Missoula really don't have a DI appropriate rink, while Billings the the one location in Montana that could really pretty easily field a profitable DI college hockey team, IMHO. (generally 3-4000 people / game is needed).

The problem with Billings is we have no decent ice arena. The Metra pulled their ice due to the costs of replacing the refrigeration system. The only way they will have ice is if the promoter would bring in their own portable system in. Centennial Ice Arena is on it's last legs and is actually pretty embarrassing. The locker rooms are crap and the view from the few seats is not good. I've seen screws hanging out of the boards on the outside. Centennial is working on raising funds for a new facility. On a side note, I would love to see the club team in Bozeman become an official MSU Sport

Didn't realize that the Metra pulled their ice. That's too bad. Think an MSU-B DI hockey could have gone over well in Billings.

Unless a Bozeman rink is at least 4000 and would sell out, don't think MSU would go for it without significant subsidies. The kind of leauge MSU would want to be in won't tolerate low attendance or low standards for rinks. Look at the new rink for UM-Duluth. W Mich is supposed to be getting a new one.

[webdav]

Always thought the best approach for MSU-B would be to start a DI hockey team and play in the Metra. As a DII school, MSU-B would automatically be DI in hockey and could play in the revised WCHA (with Alaska, Minn, Mich DII schools and UAH, and Bowling Green). A DI hockey team would play well throughout the state, is something Billings could afford (football is not), and would benefit (or not harm) the main MSU programs. MSU-B football can't compete with MSU or UM and won't get much interest.

This sounds like a great idea ... I wonder if they ever examined this approach. It's a relatively cheap sport, and would be a way for them to monopolize that sport within the entire state. Sounds like a winner.

When the Bulls played at the Metra they had a pretty good following. Bringing in another hockey team to help with the expense of playing at the Metra might also help bring a Junior A club back to Billngs. Having the same kind of partnership that we enjoy with baseball, like the relationship Dehler Park has with the Mustangs, MSU-B, and the American Legion clubs, would be something to look at.

My understanding is that MSU-Billings looked at adding DI college hockey at least 10 years ago, but no league would offer them a position so that pursuit of hockey was dropped. Since then, the western leagues of the WCHA and CCHA have divided into the NCHC, the new WCHA, and the Big Ten. MSU-B would have a shot at gaining WCHA status, maybe along with Minot State (or schools like Eastern Washington near Spokane or Simon Fraser in Vancouver, BC). The NCHC want's higher profile athletically and academic schools (like Iowa State, Utah, and Colorado St), while obviously the Big Ten is targeting Big Ten schools (Illinois, Indiana, and Nebraska have all been rumored).

DI Hockey, with 18 equivalencies, is much easier to meet Title IX requirements than for DII football, would kick start hockey in Billings and Montana and would get a lot of corporate support during the Billings winter with at least 7 weekends of Yellowjacket hockey. MSU-B has a high female enrollment that could meet Title IX needs with a sport like DII women's lacrosse, which is growing in the intermountain west (places like Colorado Mesa). Alaska-Anchorage and Alaska-Fairbanks would be two members of its current DII league that play DI hockey. Finally, downtown Billings could really benefit and the Canadian provinces just north of Montana are the best college hockey recruiting grounds in the world (places like California and Seattle/Portland are pretty good too). Bozeman and Missoula really don't have a DI appropriate rink, while Billings the the one location in Montana that could really pretty easily field a profitable DI college hockey team, IMHO. (generally 3-4000 people / game is needed).

The problem with Billings is we have no decent ice arena. The Metra pulled their ice due to the costs of replacing the refrigeration system. The only way they will have ice is if the promoter would bring in their own portable system in. Centennial Ice Arena is on it's last legs and is actually pretty embarrassing. The locker rooms are crap and the view from the few seats is not good. I've seen screws hanging out of the boards on the outside. Centennial is working on raising funds for a new facility. On a side note, I would love to see the club team in Bozeman become an official MSU Sport

Didn't realize that the Metra pulled their ice. That's too bad. Think an MSU-B DI hockey could have gone over well in Billings.

Unless a Bozeman rink is at least 4000 and would sell out, don't think MSU would go for it without significant subsidies. The kind of leauge MSU would want to be in won't tolerate low attendance or low standards for rinks. Look at the new rink for UM-Duluth. W Mich is supposed to be getting a new one.

The Ice Garden was such a great facility. Shame it is no more.

Billings needs new ice bad. I wish they could convert the Outlaws practice facility. South Billings exit is the best spot for a new rink. Easy to get to from all sides of town.


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