TSN Article about EWU

[grizzh8r]

So, applying that theory, it would also be a horrible idea to sign a guy who gets kicked out of BYU for having sex. If he puts his love of having sex above the rules of the team, he's an irresponsible person and should be scorned for his decisions.

I think the point is not that somone broke a rule, it is the three times. And I can't go three times in one night anymore, in case you were wondering.

So change my devils' advocate example to "he got two warnings from the coach for having sex with his girlfriend on two different nights, and then on a third different night, he had sex with his girlfriend one additional time ... after which he immediately rolled over and fell asleep, leaving her unsatisfied, which made her mad, so she turned him in and he got kicked off the team."

They sure seem to have a lot of voyeurs at BYU. If you have sex there, do you have to include the coach? Do they have a coach for this? If so, then the unsatisfied thing is on the coach's shoulders.

Sorry, couldn't resist:

[SonomaCat]

So, applying that theory, it would also be a horrible idea to sign a guy who gets kicked out of BYU for having sex. If he puts his love of having sex above the rules of the team, he's an irresponsible person and should be scorned for his decisions.

I think the point is not that somone broke a rule, it is the three times. And I can't go three times in one night anymore, in case you were wondering.

So change my devils' advocate example to "he got two warnings from the coach for having sex with his girlfriend on two different nights, and then on a third different night, he had sex with his girlfriend one additional time ... after which he immediately rolled over and fell asleep, leaving her unsatisfied, which made her mad, so she turned him in and he got kicked off the team."

They sure seem to have a lot of voyeurs at BYU. If you have sex there, do you have to include the coach? Do they have a coach for this? If so, then the unsatisfied thing is on the coach's shoulders.

Yes. Not a specific one ... I believe the coach included is required to give advice. And I agree.

[SonomaCat]

So, applying that theory, it would also be a horrible idea to sign a guy who gets kicked out of BYU for having sex. If he puts his love of having sex above the rules of the team, he's an irresponsible person and should be scorned for his decisions.

He's the one who signed the contract (LOI) and I assume accepted the scholarship. His willingness to play for BYU comes with a very strict code of conduct that he agreed to follow. Therefore, if he broke the rules that he knew were in place, it shows a lack of understanding and/or poor judgement on his part. Part of the reason this country is so F-ed up is because people allow rules to be broken with little or no consequences far too often. I'm very leery of any student athlete MSU brings in that has has been kicked off of some other team. Some of them have worked out, but a good many of them have not.

Yeah, because if there's one thing that made this country great, it was the founding fathers being willing to follow rules without exception.

[marceag]

speaking only for myself...and based on what i know about the circumstances that got him the boot (which is nothing) i would have loved him to come to the cats. i know that both msu and now um feel like they must walk on eggshells with every single player now and i'm not sure that is the case. if this guys transgression was smoking pot i just don't put that in the same category of other crap players do to get kicked off their team.

i guess what i'm saying is do we know what this kid did? was whatever it was really so bad to not get another shot? and would we have been mad had he become a cat? guess without knowing the answers to the first two questions i really don't know the answer to the third.

football-wise this is obviously an excellent get for ewu.

This kind of thinking pisses me off. The point isn't whether or not smoking pot is a big deal. The point is that he failed three drug tests, which means he put his love of pot before his team on more than one occasion. At some point, you have to grow up and be a responsible person. If the rules say you can't smoke pot, then you don't smoke pot. Coddling people and letting them have 3rd, 4th, even 5th chances IS NOT helping them. It's pretty much exactly like an enabling parent. I would absolutely be mad if Ash brought him in.

So do you think the Bobcats trying to give Tyler Thomas a 2nd chance was a mistake? How about letting Minter play after he was charged with letting someone else use his ID to enter a bar? Most schools try to give kids a 2nd chance, especially kids coming from the FBS to the FCS, but I guess we shouldn't let 18-20 year old kids try to make up for their mistakes.

Someone said it earlier, if its your school taking on the risk, then its "all about giving someone a 2nd chance" if its an opponents school, you grill them. EWU doesn't have a lot to lose here. The kid will be on a one strike and your out policy and EWU won't take a lot of heat if there is a problem because of the kids history. He is a great talent and the upside is he could really help our secondary out.

[allcat]

speaking only for myself...and based on what i know about the circumstances that got him the boot (which is nothing) i would have loved him to come to the cats. i know that both msu and now um feel like they must walk on eggshells with every single player now and i'm not sure that is the case. if this guys transgression was smoking pot i just don't put that in the same category of other crap players do to get kicked off their team.

i guess what i'm saying is do we know what this kid did? was whatever it was really so bad to not get another shot? and would we have been mad had he become a cat? guess without knowing the answers to the first two questions i really don't know the answer to the third.

football-wise this is obviously an excellent get for ewu.

This kind of thinking pisses me off. The point isn't whether or not smoking pot is a big deal. The point is that he failed three drug tests, which means he put his love of pot before his team on more than one occasion. At some point, you have to grow up and be a responsible person. If the rules say you can't smoke pot, then you don't smoke pot. Coddling people and letting them have 3rd, 4th, even 5th chances IS NOT helping them. It's pretty much exactly like an enabling parent. I would absolutely be mad if Ash brought him in.

So do you think the Bobcats trying to give Tyler Thomas a 2nd chance was a mistake? How about letting Minter play after he was charged with letting someone else use his ID to enter a bar? Most schools try to give kids a 2nd chance, especially kids coming from the FBS to the FCS, but I guess we shouldn't let 18-20 year old kids try to make up for their mistakes.

Someone said it earlier, if its your school taking on the risk, then its "all about giving someone a 2nd chance" if its an opponents school, you grill them. EWU doesn't have a lot to lose here. The kid will be on a one strike and your out policy and EWU won't take a lot of heat if there is a problem because of the kids history. He is a great talent and the upside is he could really help our secondary out.

I agree with the 2nd chance stuff, but EWU sems to take these prop kids. Taiwan was a stellar athlete, but a stellar student? This kid has already had 32 2nd chances. I'm sure if you make sure you don't look, he will never get in trouble again.

[marceag]

speaking only for myself...and based on what i know about the circumstances that got him the boot (which is nothing) i would have loved him to come to the cats. i know that both msu and now um feel like they must walk on eggshells with every single player now and i'm not sure that is the case. if this guys transgression was smoking pot i just don't put that in the same category of other crap players do to get kicked off their team.

i guess what i'm saying is do we know what this kid did? was whatever it was really so bad to not get another shot? and would we have been mad had he become a cat? guess without knowing the answers to the first two questions i really don't know the answer to the third.

football-wise this is obviously an excellent get for ewu.

This kind of thinking pisses me off. The point isn't whether or not smoking pot is a big deal. The point is that he failed three drug tests, which means he put his love of pot before his team on more than one occasion. At some point, you have to grow up and be a responsible person. If the rules say you can't smoke pot, then you don't smoke pot. Coddling people and letting them have 3rd, 4th, even 5th chances IS NOT helping them. It's pretty much exactly like an enabling parent. I would absolutely be mad if Ash brought him in.

So do you think the Bobcats trying to give Tyler Thomas a 2nd chance was a mistake? How about letting Minter play after he was charged with letting someone else use his ID to enter a bar? Most schools try to give kids a 2nd chance, especially kids coming from the FBS to the FCS, but I guess we shouldn't let 18-20 year old kids try to make up for their mistakes.

Someone said it earlier, if its your school taking on the risk, then its "all about giving someone a 2nd chance" if its an opponents school, you grill them. EWU doesn't have a lot to lose here. The kid will be on a one strike and your out policy and EWU won't take a lot of heat if there is a problem because of the kids history. He is a great talent and the upside is he could really help our secondary out.

I agree with the 2nd chance stuff, but EWU sems to take these prop kids. Taiwan was a stellar athlete, but a stellar student? This kid has already had 32 2nd chances. I'm sure if you make sure you don't look, he will never get in trouble again.

I understand the Prop 48 discussion, EWU typically takes on 1 kid, sometimes 2, a year under prop 48. They can't play or practice their first year, they are required to take care of their grades and become eligible. More schools than you think take on these kids, not just EWU...

I have a feeling academic admissions (higher standards) may be a factor as to why MSU doesn't take these kids on...

[PapaG]

That's some nice spin by EWU on why they're playing to road games against FBS teams.

It couldn't be for the money, could it?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

speaking only for myself...and based on what i know about the circumstances that got him the boot (which is nothing) i would have loved him to come to the cats. i know that both msu and now um feel like they must walk on eggshells with every single player now and i'm not sure that is the case. if this guys transgression was smoking pot i just don't put that in the same category of other crap players do to get kicked off their team.

i guess what i'm saying is do we know what this kid did? was whatever it was really so bad to not get another shot? and would we have been mad had he become a cat? guess without knowing the answers to the first two questions i really don't know the answer to the third.

football-wise this is obviously an excellent get for ewu.

This kind of thinking pisses me off. The point isn't whether or not smoking pot is a big deal. The point is that he failed three drug tests, which means he put his love of pot before his team on more than one occasion. At some point, you have to grow up and be a responsible person. If the rules say you can't smoke pot, then you don't smoke pot. Coddling people and letting them have 3rd, 4th, even 5th chances IS NOT helping them. It's pretty much exactly like an enabling parent. I would absolutely be mad if Ash brought him in.

So do you think the Bobcats trying to give Tyler Thomas a 2nd chance was a mistake? How about letting Minter play after he was charged with letting someone else use his ID to enter a bar? Most schools try to give kids a 2nd chance, especially kids coming from the FBS to the FCS, but I guess we shouldn't let 18-20 year old kids try to make up for their mistakes.

Someone said it earlier, if its your school taking on the risk, then its "all about giving someone a 2nd chance" if its an opponents school, you grill them. EWU doesn't have a lot to lose here. The kid will be on a one strike and your out policy and EWU won't take a lot of heat if there is a problem because of the kids history. He is a great talent and the upside is he could really help our secondary out.

I agree with the 2nd chance stuff, but EWU sems to take these prop kids. Taiwan was a stellar athlete, but a stellar student? This kid has already had 32 2nd chances. I'm sure if you make sure you don't look, he will never get in trouble again.

Taiwan didn't struggle academically because he was unmotivated or dumb though; he had dyslexia that went undiagnosed in HS. I don't recall him being academically ineligible once diagnosed and receiving the help he needed.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

speaking only for myself...and based on what i know about the circumstances that got him the boot (which is nothing) i would have loved him to come to the cats. i know that both msu and now um feel like they must walk on eggshells with every single player now and i'm not sure that is the case. if this guys transgression was smoking pot i just don't put that in the same category of other crap players do to get kicked off their team.

i guess what i'm saying is do we know what this kid did? was whatever it was really so bad to not get another shot? and would we have been mad had he become a cat? guess without knowing the answers to the first two questions i really don't know the answer to the third.

football-wise this is obviously an excellent get for ewu.

This kind of thinking pisses me off. The point isn't whether or not smoking pot is a big deal. The point is that he failed three drug tests, which means he put his love of pot before his team on more than one occasion. At some point, you have to grow up and be a responsible person. If the rules say you can't smoke pot, then you don't smoke pot. Coddling people and letting them have 3rd, 4th, even 5th chances IS NOT helping them. It's pretty much exactly like an enabling parent. I would absolutely be mad if Ash brought him in.

So do you think the Bobcats trying to give Tyler Thomas a 2nd chance was a mistake? How about letting Minter play after he was charged with letting someone else use his ID to enter a bar? Most schools try to give kids a 2nd chance, especially kids coming from the FBS to the FCS, but I guess we shouldn't let 18-20 year old kids try to make up for their mistakes.

Someone said it earlier, if its your school taking on the risk, then its "all about giving someone a 2nd chance" if its an opponents school, you grill them. EWU doesn't have a lot to lose here. The kid will be on a one strike and your out policy and EWU won't take a lot of heat if there is a problem because of the kids history. He is a great talent and the upside is he could really help our secondary out.

Good post.

[ilovethecats]

speaking only for myself...and based on what i know about the circumstances that got him the boot (which is nothing) i would have loved him to come to the cats. i know that both msu and now um feel like they must walk on eggshells with every single player now and i'm not sure that is the case. if this guys transgression was smoking pot i just don't put that in the same category of other crap players do to get kicked off their team.

i guess what i'm saying is do we know what this kid did? was whatever it was really so bad to not get another shot? and would we have been mad had he become a cat? guess without knowing the answers to the first two questions i really don't know the answer to the third.

football-wise this is obviously an excellent get for ewu.

This kind of thinking pisses me off. The point isn't whether or not smoking pot is a big deal. The point is that he failed three drug tests, which means he put his love of pot before his team on more than one occasion. At some point, you have to grow up and be a responsible person. If the rules say you can't smoke pot, then you don't smoke pot. Coddling people and letting them have 3rd, 4th, even 5th chances IS NOT helping them. It's pretty much exactly like an enabling parent. I would absolutely be mad if Ash brought him in.

that's fine. i don't need everyone to agree with me. my biggest point was unless i know all of the details i won't judge. it has been reported he failed three drug tests. is he just an idiot? possibly. or he might have an actual problem that needs addressed. sometimes something as simple as a change of scenery can do that.

next, i don't look at all things the same. wh determines that two chances is ok but three is to many? who decides if a person gets two chances and not just one? why don't we boot every player off every team for any single thing they do wrong? who gets to decide all these things? a true badass coach would decide that giving a kid even one chance would be coddling him and boot every kid off the team. you're at a party that gets busted you're gone. you give a kid an id to get into the bars you're gone. you argue with a coach you're gone. you get in a fight you're gone. you get a speeding ticket you're gone. if you so much do any single thing that is either against the law or against team rules you're gone. no coddling. no second chances...

and the news that some will find real shocking is that ash and his staff also had real interest in this kid. and if a few circumstances were different we would have brought the kid in too. and because i trust ash and believe he knows more details than what fans read on the internet i would have supported him.

another thing i always think about is the many douche bags i have met over the years that were cat players. to the casual fan they are amazing because they play for the cats. but we have had some real tools here over the years that did far worse things than smoke weed. in fact, now that i think about it ash should hire college students to catch these players in the act when they are being morons so he can be sure he doesn't have a single player on his team that isn't doing the right thing 100% of the time. because that is about the only way a coach can ever be sure his team isn't being coddled.

and to the ewu fan asking about tyler thomas...he's a bad example because we shouldn't have taken a chance on him. he came here as advertised. he wasn't very good on the field and was a complete clown off it. i would have been fine if we never brought him in. but i also understand why we did it and if he wasn't a moron he could have made great use of his many 2nd chances...

[KittieKop]

I'm all for 2nd chances, but this kid appears to now be on his 4th chance.

And no one "deserves" another chance to continue their football career. They can earn another chance. This kid "deserves" another chance because he's talented (but apparently a slow learner).

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I'm all for 2nd chances, but this kid appears to now be on his 4th chance.

And no one "deserves" another chance to continue their football career. They can earn another chance. This kid "deserves" another chance because he's talented (but apparently a slow learner).

Maybe so, but one this is for sure, and that this is his LAST chance. He knows that if he ****** up again, he's gone, no skin off EWU's back. Eastern gets a very talented player on a very short leash. And it's not like we're known for having a culture of players that think they're above the rules and constantly getting into trouble. Sure, we have an occasional bad seed, but for the most part we have a bunch of hard-working, blue-collar type athletes who are like a family and take on the character of coach Baldwin.

[bobcat99]

Just for arguments sake, we have several players on our team that have failed drug tests, it just never gets brought to light. I would also wager that almost every single team in the country has the same problem though.

[91catAlum]

Just for arguments sake, we have several players on our team that have failed drug tests, it just never gets brought to light. I would also wager that almost every single team in the country has the same problem though.

Yes, and the guys who fail drug tests get quietly removed from the team. There were a few last spring, I heard...

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[bobcat99]

Just for arguments sake, we have several players on our team that have failed drug tests, it just never gets brought to light. I would also wager that almost every single team in the country has the same problem though.

Yes, and the guys who fail drug tests get quietly removed from the team. There were a few last spring, I heard...

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No, they don't always get removed. Usually it's an in-house punishment.

If you get removed, it's either happened multiple times, or you're not that good of a player.