Jordy Johnson Reinstated to Football Team

[SonomaCat]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

He's a Griz fan as well ... I think you are missing the sarcasm (used to attempt to mock MSU fans) in his posts.

[TomCat88]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

He's a Griz fan as well ... I think you are missing the sarcasm (used to attempt to mock MSU fans) in his posts.

Subtle smack. I like it.

[webdav]

Having him back makes the Griz much better than last season. He's a huge step up from their QBs last season.

I'm sure no opposing fans will chirp him, of course.

[tampa_griz]

Anyone remember the new player conduct rules the Griz just instated a year ago? Embarrasing the University and stuff like that?

You have it flipped. The University embarrassed Jordan Johnson.

[cats2506]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

I guess 43% is better that 41% but not a lot

That is what they did the last time he was under center

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... ats/um.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[LongTimeCatFan]

I'm glad he's back. Due process has been served. He should be.

[TomCat88]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

I guess 43% is better that 41% but not a lot

That is what they did the last time he was under center

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... ats/um.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UM was 38 of 82 (46%) in his last 5 vs. FCS, which Kyle may have meant.

[PapaG]

Looks like the title is back in Missoula.

May as well give up now, Big Sky!

So when does the NCAA's Notice of Allegations hit the program?

[cats2506]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

I guess 43% is better that 41% but not a lot

That is what they did the last time he was under center

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... ats/um.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UM was 38 of 82 (46%) in his last 5 vs. FCS, which Kyle may have meant.

So you are going to cherry pick the games that JJ played 2 years ago and count the whole season for last year.

In 2011 it was a deep and strong defense that carried the fizz into the playoffs, JJ is a good QB, but lets not rewrite history here.

[TomCat88]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

I guess 43% is better that 41% but not a lot

That is what they did the last time he was under center

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... ats/um.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UM was 38 of 82 (46%) in his last 5 vs. FCS, which Kyle may have meant.

So you are going to cherry pick the games that JJ played 2 years ago and count the whole season for last year.

In 2011 it was a deep and strong defense that carried the fizz into the playoffs, JJ is a good QB, but lets not rewrite history here.

No. Kyle mentioned how Johnson looked in his last five FCS games, I gave him that. I actually counted the game against a D2 team, so that's not right. But I'm not really sure if he meant to say last five for the third down pct or not.

[TomCat88]

Looks like the title is back in Missoula.

May as well give up now, Big Sky!

So when does the NCAA's Notice of Allegations hit the program?

To be honest I can't remember what they're being investigated for. Did the NCAA say?

[autocat]

I see ONE GIANT BLACK CLOUD over missoula, or has there already been one in place?

[PapaG]

Looks like the title is back in Missoula.

May as well give up now, Big Sky!

So when does the NCAA's Notice of Allegations hit the program?

To be honest I can't remember what they're being investigated for. Did the NCAA say?

The NCAA never says once an investigation begins, but improper benefits were one of the things being looked at initially. It had nothing to do with Jordan Johnson's rape trial. That's the weird part of this trial. The verdict means nothing in terms of the DoJ, DoE, and NCAA investigations, yet even my own mother thinks this is some sort of vindication for UM and that all is clear. Which is a bit of a contradiction, considering others are blaming UM for it, at least the office of the President of UM.

[codecat]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

I guess 43% is better that 41% but not a lot

That is what they did the last time he was under center

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... ats/um.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UM was 38 of 82 (46%) in his last 5 vs. FCS, which Kyle may have meant.

So you are going to cherry pick the games that JJ played 2 years ago and count the whole season for last year.

In 2011 it was a deep and strong defense that carried the fizz into the playoffs, JJ is a good QB, but lets not rewrite history here.[/quote]
Absolutely the way I saw them in 2011 too - and they sure stifled the *@#! out of us that year.

[09griz]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

I guess 43% is better that 41% but not a lot

That is what they did the last time he was under center

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... ats/um.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ohboy, here comes the stat spin doctor 2506 in attept to somehow discredit JJ.
I'm Shocked...

I remember something like a 36-10 stat when he was at the helm as well.
...Or did the D score all those points?
2012 cat-Griz was the same senario minus a QB...

2009 Griz- 46% 3rd down pct.
2012 SHSU- 46% 3rd down pct. while MSU was 47%. who had the better team?

To many other factors. 3rd down pct. alone doesn't mean ******.

Throw out all the stats you want. Discredit the fact JJ was limping the first half of the year.
Like it or not JJ is the best QB Montana has had since DD.

[cats2506]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

I guess 43% is better that 41% but not a lot

That is what they did the last time he was under center

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... ats/um.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ohboy, here comes the stat spin doctor 2506 in attept to somehow discredit JJ.
I'm Shocked...

I remember something like a 36-10 stat when he was at the helm as well.
...Or did the D score all those points?
2012 cat-Griz was the same senario minus a QB...

2009 Griz- 46% 3rd down pct.
2012 SHSU- 46% 3rd down pct. while MSU was 47%. who had the better team?

To many other factors. 3rd down pct. alone doesn't mean ******.

Throw out all the stats you want. Discredit the fact JJ was limping the first half of the year.
Like it or not JJ is the best QB Montana has had since DD.

Are you stupid? Or do you try to make stuff up just for fun,

um's 2012 3 down conversion was 40.7% or about 41% like kyle above stated, where in the hell do you come up with 46%
http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... nfldrs.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

in 2010 it was 37% and in 2011 it was 43%. All 3 years MSU had a better 3rd down conversion than your little fizzlies

I just don't see what you get by misrepresenting stats that we can all look up.

[[cat_bracket]]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

As Rob Ash has said to me just before fall camp two years running, if you have 21 standout players and the 22nd, the quarterback, is mediocre, you have a mediocre team, something the Bobcats experienced post-Lulay.

But if you have 21 solid players and a star player and leader under center, you're a championship team. Football is the consummate sport, but quarterback is the most important and difficult position in sports.

Without JJ, the Griz proved to be a middle-of-the-pack Big Sky team. With him, they were semifinalists. They will again be among the nationally elite with Johnson back under center.

Don't overlook that he did say "IF you have 21 solid players." Also there are quite a few mediocre QBs, in NFL terms, that have led their teams to the Super Bowl and even won it. Same for college football.

MSU went from 7-4 to 9-2 (in the regular season; 9-3 w/playoffs) when McGhee took over, that's two games. JJ took UM from 7-4 to 9-2 (11-3 w/playoffs). The Griz are coming off a 5-6 season, not a 7-4 season. UM has a cast of no-names at WR in 2013, in 2011 they had Sambrano and Moutra. They had Ngyen, Moore and Kemp at other skill positions. UM had two NFL draft picks on defense off the 2011 team, not to mention GrizWaldhauser and Featherston and Shaw on a senior-laden unit. The defense coming back in 2013 is no where near as good as that defense. The kicker/punter was much better. Bottom line: The Griz don't have as good a 21-man support cast as they had in 2011.

[[cat_bracket]]

Ohboy, here comes the stat spin doctor 2506 in attept to somehow discredit JJ.
I'm Shocked...

I remember something like a 36-10 stat when he was at the helm as well.
...Or did the D score all those points?
2012 cat-Griz was the same senario minus a QB...

2009 Griz- 46% 3rd down pct.
2012 SHSU- 46% 3rd down pct. while MSU was 47%. who had the better team?

To many other factors. 3rd down pct. alone doesn't mean ******.

Throw out all the stats you want. Discredit the fact JJ was limping the first half of the year.
Like it or not JJ is the best QB Montana has had since DD.

Well, your homeboy Kyle is the one that brought up 3rd down pct., not 2506. But whatever, the main flaw in your post is the 36-10 stat. That was a team effort, not a JJ one-man show. In fact JJ was mediocre in that game, but you got a great game from your defense and special teams, offensive line and RBs.

[09griz]

I've been reading about the demise of the Griz program for months on this site. It's only one guy!! How do they fall so far and get back to the top 5 with only one change?

Do you remember seeing the guy play? If not just reference his last five games against FCS opponents in 2011. Also, what makes the NCAA ban "inevitable"?

one thing not really being discussed is his (projected) impact on the defense and keeping them fresh. I have a hard time believing the Griz will only convert 41% of third downs with him behind center

I guess 43% is better that 41% but not a lot

That is what they did the last time he was under center

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... ats/um.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ohboy, here comes the stat spin doctor 2506 in attept to somehow discredit JJ.
I'm Shocked...

I remember something like a 36-10 stat when he was at the helm as well.
...Or did the D score all those points?
2012 cat-Griz was the same senario minus a QB...

2009 Griz- 46% 3rd down pct.
2012 SHSU- 46% 3rd down pct. while MSU was 47%. who had the better team?

To many other factors. 3rd down pct. alone doesn't mean ******.

Throw out all the stats you want. Discredit the fact JJ was limping the first half of the year.
Like it or not JJ is the best QB Montana has had since DD.

Are you stupid? Or do you try to make stuff up just for fun,

um's 2012 3 down conversion was 40.7% or about 41% like kyle above stated, where in the hell do you come up with 46%
http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... nfldrs.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

in 2010 it was 37% and in 2011 it was 43%. All 3 years MSU had a better 3rd down conversion than your little fizzlies

I just don't see what you get by misrepresenting stats that we can all look up.

Where did I state anything regarding the 2012 Griz 3rd down conversion pct.?
You missed the point pretty bad but you get a participation ribbon.

Better mods??

[catgrad05]

I do not think anyone on here is does not agree that Johnson is a step up from last years quarterbacks.

However, two years ago the Griz had a very experieced team especially on defense. Two years ago it seemed that the team road the defense into the playoffs and the offense was able to do just enough. I am not sure how much UM grew up last year but I did get the feeingl that they lacked the drive of teams in the past.

The big question in my mind is with Johnson reinstated does the entire program feel more confident (my guess is yes). Will we see a huge difference in one year? Only time will tell but I do not think that one player is the difference from a lossing record to being in the National Semifinals.