Crazy ending to griz game.

[Jobu]

A few years ago Eastern fans stormed their football field with time remaining against the Griz. Would you argue they should have been penalized giving the Griz a shot at a winning FG, or should the officials have done what they did, which was clear the field and let the players decide the game?

Your answer will be telling, me thinks.



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Eastern was given a 15 yard penalty for that...and the Griz were given one more play

I don't recall the penalty, but frankly I don't give enough of a $hit to go look it up. The primary difference in the situations is that the entire town of cheney was on the field during the play. Not during a dead ball.

And Bracket, you seem to be hoeing this row all by yourself, so I'll just leave you to it at this point. Your statements continuing to blame Decuire and not the NAU coach for this situation is all I need to know that it absolutely is a "griz thing" with you. Not that I'm surprised. Toodaloo.

[Hawks86]

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A few years ago Eastern fans stormed their football field with time remaining against the Griz. Would you argue they should have been penalized giving the Griz a shot at a winning FG, or should the officials have done what they did, which was clear the field and let the players decide the game?

Your answer will be telling, me thinks.



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Eastern was given a 15 yard penalty for that...and the Griz were given one more play

I don't recall the penalty, but frankly I don't give enough of a $hit to go look it up. The primary difference in the situations is that the entire town of cheney was on the field during the play. Not during a dead ball.

And Bracket, you seem to be hoeing this row all by yourself, so I'll just leave you to it at this point. Your statements continuing to blame Decuire and not the NAU coach for this situation is all I need to know that it absolutely is a "griz thing" with you. Not that I'm surprised. Toodaloo.

You brought it up, but didn't know what you were talking about. EWU WAS penalized! Now that someone dug up the facts you're not going to man up and own your error? That just screams "Chump!"

I didn't blame DeCuire, I said he should've just walked away when confronted. I blame the BSC and its officials. They created the situation with their incompetence. The fact you think I did tells everyone all they need to know about your ability to rationalize.

You're one of the people that made this a grizz thing.

I'm not surprised either. You're always a little slow picking things up.

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You made a big deal out of this EWU fans storming the field, but now that it's been proven that EWU was penalized (um was given 15 yards and another play) it's not a big deal. So either face the facts or concede. Otherwise you just look like you're sucking grizz d--k so they'll call you a "good Cat fan."

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The other point of interest is the clock. It shows 0.4, but the coach is all the way to the key. So you have to assume the clock had more time on it when he first hit the court. Please tell me the refs put more than 0.4 when they restarted the game. I hope they aren't that bad.

Bracket, the clock automatically stops after a made basket within the last 1:00 of play. It was automatically a dead ball as soon as it went through the hoop. Perhaps this is the problem. You seem confused on the rules.

Yep that's right. My mistake.

(See how EZ it is?)

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I see everyone has stfu since marceag posted. Thanks marceag.

Meh... Football rules =/= Basketball rules.

Also, did you check out the Arizona State and Cal games I linked above where entire student sections (and likely bench players looking at the vids and pics) flooded the court early, selfies were taken with players, etc etc? No T called there and those were MUCH worse than a couple fans and an unsuited player rushing the court early. As was stated by the Big Sky Conference since the ball wasn't in play, it's not a technical. Probably basically a warning if anything. Yeah if it happened multiple times in a game then it'd probably result in a T, but not a single time with people rushing early.

Like I said before, I watch as many college basketball games as I can, both online and on TV. I've seen people rush the court many many many times early in big games....never saw a T called.

If you don't like the rule and how it's ALWAYS interpreted in basketball, well...that's just too bad. Might as well be bitching about the Griz winning on a last second 3 pointer because you don't think the 3 point shot should have been added to college basketball

As for this notion that my responses were due to my grizz "hatred", please go to egriz.com and check out the comments in the thread titled "Roll Call. Who roots for the cats outside (Cat-grizz)?" In there you'll see what hatred looks like. I'm sure I've never made any comments on here like most of those.

To tell you the truth, I'm betting if the same thing had happened to the Cats (fans rush court early, etc), i'd be having the same discussion over on eGriz, using the same examples and facepalming frequently as I read the replies of people who are blinded by their hatred for the cats. I damn near gave myself a concussion facepalming that one year when a handful of Griz fans were calling Cat players thugs because of backwards hats...

I get a rivalry can be pretty heated, and there's a lot of hatred between the two teams...but holy ******...you can't be so blinded by it that you throw logic, reason, common sense and evidence out the window for the sake of hating the other program.

Meh? You were all bowed up in the neck about that, but now that it was shown that EWU was penalized you say, meh? In other words you're all about backing um no matter what, not fair play. So it's a grizz thing for you, not me.
No. I didn't look at the links but I knew about those incidents also. If fans of the home team rush the court the home team should be penalized. Same for players and coaches. I'm not going to be inconsistent on this. In ums case it was a player in slacks. That IMO should be penalized. Advance ball to halfcourt seems reasonable in that particular situation.

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I will say that had DeCuire walked away and the NAU coach continues to get in his face that DeCuire would've been a-ok getting after him.

[GetEm_Griz]

[PapaG]

A few years ago Eastern fans stormed their football field with time remaining against the Griz. Would you argue they should have been penalized giving the Griz a shot at a winning FG, or should the officials have done what they did, which was clear the field and let the players decide the game?

Your answer will be telling, me thinks.



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Eastern was given a 15 yard penalty for that...and the Griz were given one more play

I don't recall the penalty, but frankly I don't give enough of a $hit to go look it up. The primary difference in the situations is that the entire town of cheney was on the field during the play. Not during a dead ball.

And Bracket, you seem to be hoeing this row all by yourself, so I'll just leave you to it at this point. Your statements continuing to blame Decuire and not the NAU coach for this situation is all I need to know that it absolutely is a "griz thing" with you. Not that I'm surprised. Toodaloo.

You brought it up, but didn't know what you were talking about. EWU WAS penalized! Now that someone dug up the facts you're not going to man up and own your error? That just screams "Chump!"

I didn't blame DeCuire, I said he should've just walked away when confronted. I blame the BSC and its officials. They created the situation with their incompetence. The fact you think I did tells everyone all they need to know about your ability to rationalize.

You're one of the people that made this a grizz thing.

I'm not surprised either. You're always a little slow picking things up.

Jobu will go to any length to defend the Griz, to the point of mocking Bobcat posters. He's a Bobcat fan, though...

[Potomac Griz]

You were all bowed up in the neck about that, but now that it was shown that EWU was penalized you say, meh? In other words you're all about backing um no matter what, not fair play. So it's a grizz thing for you, not me.

It turns out it was two completely different situations anyway . Ball in play vs Ball not in play. People rushed the field before the Griz were tackled during the middle of a play. There's a big difference, hence part of the reason for the "meh". Had NAU inbounded the ball while people were on the court celebrating then who knows how that would have gone. Possibly would have resulted in a T. They didn't inbound the ball however and the refs blew the whistle not only to check the clock but to clear the court, like they've done NUMEROUS times in other basketball games. Only reason this is a controversy over here is because you can't let your hatred of the Griz go...

No. I didn't look at the links but I knew about those incidents also. If fans of the home team rush the court the home team should be penalized. Same for players and coaches. I'm not going to be inconsistent on this. In ums case it was a player in slacks. That IMO should be penalized. Advance ball to halfcourt seems reasonable in that particular situation.

If you don't like the rules or how they are interpreted by all of the college basketball refs well...that's too bad. There's a reason it wasn't called in the Cal game, the Arizona State game or any of the other numerous examples of the same thing happening (but most of the time on a much bigger scale). Ball wasn't in play, so the refs just clear the court and then let the actual players decide the game on the court, like it should be.

You want the rules changed? Here you go:

The National Collegiate Athletic Association
700 W. Washington Street
P.O. Box 6222
Indianapolis, Indiana 46206-6222
Phone: 317/917-6222
Fax: 317/917-6888

Good luck on your crusade!

i think this coach definitely needs to check his emotion going forward but in general i love stuff like this. dude obviously has passion. you think his guys don't like playing for him? I'm sure he got an ass-chewing after the game but when all was said and done i bet there wasn't a person in the building aside from nau fans and players that didn't think it was pretty cool.

in addition, it would have sucked for a ref to call a tech right there and basically decide the game. get him off the floor, tell him he's an idiot, and let the kids play. it's be like calling a T on a head coach there because he was outside his coaching box.

Couldn't agree more on both parts. Love that DeCuire is showing some fire out there and getting the students fired up as well. Also agree of course on letting the kids play. Would be having the same conversation on eGriz I'm sure if the situation had happened to the Cats. I'm sure a couple Griz fans would not be able to see past their Cat hatred and demand technical fouls be called too

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You were all bowed up in the neck about that, but now that it was shown that EWU was penalized you say, meh? In other words you're all about backing um no matter what, not fair play. So it's a grizz thing for you, not me.

It turns out it was two completely different situations anyway . Ball in play vs Ball not in play. People rushed the field before the Griz were tackled during the middle of a play. There's a big difference, hence part of the reason for the "meh". Had NAU inbounded the ball while people were on the court celebrating then who knows how that would have gone. Possibly would have resulted in a T. They didn't inbound the ball however and the refs blew the whistle not only to check the clock but to clear the court, like they've done NUMEROUS times in other basketball games. Only reason this is a controversy over here is because you can't let your hatred of the Griz go...

No. I didn't look at the links but I knew about those incidents also. If fans of the home team rush the court the home team should be penalized. Same for players and coaches. I'm not going to be inconsistent on this. In ums case it was a player in slacks. That IMO should be penalized. Advance ball to halfcourt seems reasonable in that particular situation.

If you don't like the rules or how they are interpreted by all of the college basketball refs well...that's too bad. There's a reason it wasn't called in the Cal game, the Arizona State game or any of the other numerous examples of the same thing happening (but most of the time on a much bigger scale). Ball wasn't in play, so the refs just clear the court and then let the actual players decide the game on the court, like it should be.

You want the rules changed? Here you go:

The National Collegiate Athletic Association
700 W. Washington Street
P.O. Box 6222
Indianapolis, Indiana 46206-6222
Phone: 317/917-6222
Fax: 317/917-6888

Good luck on your crusade!

i think this coach definitely needs to check his emotion going forward but in general i love stuff like this. dude obviously has passion. you think his guys don't like playing for him? I'm sure he got an ass-chewing after the game but when all was said and done i bet there wasn't a person in the building aside from nau fans and players that didn't think it was pretty cool.

in addition, it would have sucked for a ref to call a tech right there and basically decide the game. get him off the floor, tell him he's an idiot, and let the kids play. it's be like calling a T on a head coach there because he was outside his coaching box.

Couldn't agree more on both parts. Love that DeCuire is showing some fire out there and getting the students fired up as well. Also agree of course on letting the kids play. Would be having the same conversation on eGriz I'm sure if the situation had happened to the Cats. I'm sure a couple Griz fans would not be able to see past their Cat hatred and demand technical fouls be called too

As I expected your theory gets blown up and you change your story...typical diehard, overzealous fan mentality. As soon as the ball is in a players hands on the sideline a play has begun. Hence the name "inbounds play". Just because the clock isn't running doesn't mean a play hasn't begun. The NAU player looked up and saw what appeared to be a coach running onto the court from the grizz bench. No matter how big of a grizz fan you are, you have to admit that disrupted the NAU inbounds play and should be penalized.

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http://www.cougcenter.com/2015/3/14/821 ... ment-video
The unbiased reporter says:
"But the Northern Arizona coach has a valid complaint since, unlike Oregon in the game against WSU, the Lumberjacks actually were prevented from inbounding the ball -- you can see the pass coming in as the player is diving back to the sideline."

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i think this coach definitely needs to check his emotion going forward but in general i love stuff like this. dude obviously has passion. you think his guys don't like playing for him? I'm sure he got an ass-chewing after the game but when all was said and done i bet there wasn't a person in the building aside from nau fans and players that didn't think it was pretty cool.

in addition, it would have sucked for a ref to call a tech right there and basically decide the game. get him off the floor, tell him he's an idiot, and let the kids play. it's be like calling a T on a head coach there because he was outside his coaching box.

all that said, it's sad that we're once again discussing what the griz did in the semifinals of the basketball tourney. we can add it to the stories we have to tell about the griz in the tournament to start with, the griz in the big sky championship, the griz in the dance, and the griz one win away from the sweet 16. i know this is a football obsessed board but the griz have had more success in basketball than in football, and their hoops program has been light years ahead of ours. here's hoping fish and crew can get this thing turned around!

I think the main thrust of the discussion is whether or not the clothed player entering the court of play from his team's bench should be assessed a penalty for disrupting the opposing teams inbounds play.

[GetEm_Griz]

You were all bowed up in the neck about that, but now that it was shown that EWU was penalized you say, meh? In other words you're all about backing um no matter what, not fair play. So it's a grizz thing for you, not me.

It turns out it was two completely different situations anyway . Ball in play vs Ball not in play. People rushed the field before the Griz were tackled during the middle of a play. There's a big difference, hence part of the reason for the "meh". Had NAU inbounded the ball while people were on the court celebrating then who knows how that would have gone. Possibly would have resulted in a T. They didn't inbound the ball however and the refs blew the whistle not only to check the clock but to clear the court, like they've done NUMEROUS times in other basketball games. Only reason this is a controversy over here is because you can't let your hatred of the Griz go...

No. I didn't look at the links but I knew about those incidents also. If fans of the home team rush the court the home team should be penalized. Same for players and coaches. I'm not going to be inconsistent on this. In ums case it was a player in slacks. That IMO should be penalized. Advance ball to halfcourt seems reasonable in that particular situation.

If you don't like the rules or how they are interpreted by all of the college basketball refs well...that's too bad. There's a reason it wasn't called in the Cal game, the Arizona State game or any of the other numerous examples of the same thing happening (but most of the time on a much bigger scale). Ball wasn't in play, so the refs just clear the court and then let the actual players decide the game on the court, like it should be.

You want the rules changed? Here you go:

The National Collegiate Athletic Association
700 W. Washington Street
P.O. Box 6222
Indianapolis, Indiana 46206-6222
Phone: 317/917-6222
Fax: 317/917-6888

Good luck on your crusade!

i think this coach definitely needs to check his emotion going forward but in general i love stuff like this. dude obviously has passion. you think his guys don't like playing for him? I'm sure he got an ass-chewing after the game but when all was said and done i bet there wasn't a person in the building aside from nau fans and players that didn't think it was pretty cool.

in addition, it would have sucked for a ref to call a tech right there and basically decide the game. get him off the floor, tell him he's an idiot, and let the kids play. it's be like calling a T on a head coach there because he was outside his coaching box.

Couldn't agree more on both parts. Love that DeCuire is showing some fire out there and getting the students fired up as well. Also agree of course on letting the kids play. Would be having the same conversation on eGriz I'm sure if the situation had happened to the Cats. I'm sure a couple Griz fans would not be able to see past their Cat hatred and demand technical fouls be called too

As I expected your theory gets blown up and you change your story...typical diehard, overzealous fan mentality. As soon as the ball is in a players hands on the sideline a play has begun. Hence the name "inbounds play". Just because the clock isn't running doesn't mean a play hasn't begun. The NAU player looked up and saw what appeared to be a coach running onto the court from the grizz bench. No matter how big of a grizz fan you are, you have to admit that disrupted the NAU inbounds play and should be penalized.

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As for coaches not getting Teed for being on the court Jason Kidd had a quick fix for that a few years ago. Just dribble into the coach.

[Jobu]

http://www.cougcenter.com/2015/3/14/821 ... ment-video
The unbiased reporter says:
"But the Northern Arizona coach has a valid complaint since, unlike Oregon in the game against WSU, the Lumberjacks actually were prevented from inbounding the ball -- you can see the pass coming in as the player is diving back to the sideline."

He also says:

Almost immediately after the incident in Pullman, the referees changed their interpretation of the rule in an effort to avoid calling technical fouls in that kind of a situation.

Any particularly reason you that you left that part out, bracket?

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http://www.cougcenter.com/2015/3/14/821 ... ment-video
The unbiased reporter says:
"But the Northern Arizona coach has a valid complaint since, unlike Oregon in the game against WSU, the Lumberjacks actually were prevented from inbounding the ball -- you can see the pass coming in as the player is diving back to the sideline."

He also says:

Almost immediately after the incident in Pullman, the referees changed their interpretation of the rule in an effort to avoid calling technical fouls in that kind of a situation.

Any particularly reason you that you left that part out, bracket?

Because he was referring to the kind of situation in Pullman, not missoula. Any particular reason you're not pointing that out? See where it says "unlike"?

I'm just saying move the ball to mid court.

[tampa_griz]

http://www.cougcenter.com/2015/3/14/821 ... ment-video
The unbiased reporter says:
"But the Northern Arizona coach has a valid complaint since, unlike Oregon in the game against WSU, the Lumberjacks actually were prevented from inbounding the ball -- you can see the pass coming in as the player is diving back to the sideline."

He also says:

Almost immediately after the incident in Pullman, the referees changed their interpretation of the rule in an effort to avoid calling technical fouls in that kind of a situation.

Any particularly reason you that you left that part out, bracket?

Because he was referring to the kind of situation in Pullman, not missoula. Any particular reason you're not pointing that out? See where it says "unlike"?

I'm just saying move the ball to mid court.

Well yeah you're saying that now....but you were singing a very very different tune before.

Just admit it. It should've been a T. If they miss you win. If they make both it gets decided in OT. Is it too much to ask to play by the rules.

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/vi ... 3&start=49

That's the second time someone has corrected you in this thread with regard to rules after a very confident post on your part about what people don't know. Methinks you've got the rope wrapped around the axle pretty good this time.

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http://www.cougcenter.com/2015/3/14/821 ... ment-video
The unbiased reporter says:
"But the Northern Arizona coach has a valid complaint since, unlike Oregon in the game against WSU, the Lumberjacks actually were prevented from inbounding the ball -- you can see the pass coming in as the player is diving back to the sideline."

He also says:

Almost immediately after the incident in Pullman, the referees changed their interpretation of the rule in an effort to avoid calling technical fouls in that kind of a situation.

Any particularly reason you that you left that part out, bracket?

Because he was referring to the kind of situation in Pullman, not missoula. Any particular reason you're not pointing that out? See where it says "unlike"?

I'm just saying move the ball to mid court.

Well yeah you're saying that now....but you were singing a very very different tune before.

Just admit it. It should've been a T. If they miss you win. If they make both it gets decided in OT. Is it too much to ask to play by the rules.

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/vi ... 3&start=49

That's the second time someone has corrected you in this thread with regard to rules after a very confident post on your part about what people don't know. Methinks you've got the rope wrapped around the axle pretty good this time.

Yep and how many times have I corrected people on the facts so far since you're keeping score? Bottom line you shouldn't be allowed to run onto the court from the bench when the ball is being put in play. It's bad for the game. Do you care about the game or just the grizz?

[tampa_griz]

http://www.cougcenter.com/2015/3/14/821 ... ment-video
The unbiased reporter says:
"But the Northern Arizona coach has a valid complaint since, unlike Oregon in the game against WSU, the Lumberjacks actually were prevented from inbounding the ball -- you can see the pass coming in as the player is diving back to the sideline."

He also says:

Almost immediately after the incident in Pullman, the referees changed their interpretation of the rule in an effort to avoid calling technical fouls in that kind of a situation.

Any particularly reason you that you left that part out, bracket?

Because he was referring to the kind of situation in Pullman, not missoula. Any particular reason you're not pointing that out? See where it says "unlike"?

I'm just saying move the ball to mid court.

Well yeah you're saying that now....but you were singing a very very different tune before.

Just admit it. It should've been a T. If they miss you win. If they make both it gets decided in OT. Is it too much to ask to play by the rules.

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/vi ... 3&start=49

That's the second time someone has corrected you in this thread with regard to rules after a very confident post on your part about what people don't know. Methinks you've got the rope wrapped around the axle pretty good this time.

Yep and how many times have I corrected people on the facts so far since you're keeping score? Bottom line you shouldn't be allowed to run onto the court from the bench when the ball is being put in play. It's bad for the game. Do you care about the game or just the grizz?

You can't rush the court in a flagrant fashion such that it interferes with the game. A technical foul can be called if the ref judges that to have occurred. That's the rule and that's the third time you've been corrected. Are you going to lobby the BSC to change the rule to have the ball inbounded at half court?