Sac St President calls FCS football JV

[Cataholic]

Not bad for a JV team!

[Bobcat4Ever]

I hope at least 10 of them were undercover Bobcat scouts.

[Montanabob]

I hope at least 10 of them were undercover Bobcat scouts.

nah, we don't need to be there but i am sure a few DII schools were.

[MSU01]

We can poke fun at Sac State but I think by the fall we're going to be happy that they're the California team MSU doesn't play this year. Their head coach is the real deal and a phenomenal hire for an FCS (for now) team.

[4KornerKat]

[SonomaCat]

It's getting harder and harder to argue with the "JV" statements about FCS. Most of the historically strong programs have left FCS, leaving just the Dakotas and Montana schools as legit powers. With NIL and transfer portal playing the roles they play, we may well see the normalization of a bulk of our talent playing here for a year or two before moving on to a "higher" program ... much like the transition from playing JV and being promoted up to Varsity as an upperclassman.

I don't like it, but that is probably our reality until/unless we move up and make ourselves one of the cherry pickers instead of being the cherry pickees.

[allcat]

It's getting harder and harder to argue with the "JV" statements about FCS. Most of the historically strong programs have left FCS, leaving just the Dakotas and Montana schools as legit powers. With NIL and transfer portal playing the roles they play, we may well see the normalization of a bulk of our talent playing here for a year or two before moving on to a "higher" program ... much like the transition from playing JV and being promoted up to Varsity as an upperclassman.

I don't like it, but that is probably our reality until/unless we move up and make ourselves one of the cherry pickers instead of being the cherry pickees.

I think even if we move up, the big guys are still going to cherry pick us. We are a fairly rich fcs program, but will be small potatoes in Fbs. We are never going to get the big TV deals.

[SonomaCat]

It's getting harder and harder to argue with the "JV" statements about FCS. Most of the historically strong programs have left FCS, leaving just the Dakotas and Montana schools as legit powers. With NIL and transfer portal playing the roles they play, we may well see the normalization of a bulk of our talent playing here for a year or two before moving on to a "higher" program ... much like the transition from playing JV and being promoted up to Varsity as an upperclassman.

I don't like it, but that is probably our reality until/unless we move up and make ourselves one of the cherry pickers instead of being the cherry pickees.

I think even if we move up, the big guys are still going to cherry pick us. We are a fairly rich fcs program, but will be small potatoes in Fbs. We are never going to get the big TV deals.

We might have Alabama cherry picking us, but we won't have New Mexico or Idaho doing it.

[allcat]

It's getting harder and harder to argue with the "JV" statements about FCS. Most of the historically strong programs have left FCS, leaving just the Dakotas and Montana schools as legit powers. With NIL and transfer portal playing the roles they play, we may well see the normalization of a bulk of our talent playing here for a year or two before moving on to a "higher" program ... much like the transition from playing JV and being promoted up to Varsity as an upperclassman.

I don't like it, but that is probably our reality until/unless we move up and make ourselves one of the cherry pickers instead of being the cherry pickees.

I think even if we move up, the big guys are still going to cherry pick us. We are a fairly rich fcs program, but will be small potatoes in Fbs. We are never going to get the big TV deals.

We might have Alabama cherry picking us, but we won't have New Mexico or Idaho doing it.

I might believe that if it weren't schools like Cal or Michigan State.

[tetoncat]

It's getting harder and harder to argue with the "JV" statements about FCS. Most of the historically strong programs have left FCS, leaving just the Dakotas and Montana schools as legit powers. With NIL and transfer portal playing the roles they play, we may well see the normalization of a bulk of our talent playing here for a year or two before moving on to a "higher" program ... much like the transition from playing JV and being promoted up to Varsity as an upperclassman.

I don't like it, but that is probably our reality until/unless we move up and make ourselves one of the cherry pickers instead of being the cherry pickees.

What do you consider the lower tier FBS conferences. I would say they are the JV as they play in same league, have no chance for the playoffs and have kids move up a lot. FCS to me is the Class A and B. Still varsity, still compete for Championship, just a lower level of talent and competition.

[MSU01]

It's getting harder and harder to argue with the "JV" statements about FCS. Most of the historically strong programs have left FCS, leaving just the Dakotas and Montana schools as legit powers. With NIL and transfer portal playing the roles they play, we may well see the normalization of a bulk of our talent playing here for a year or two before moving on to a "higher" program ... much like the transition from playing JV and being promoted up to Varsity as an upperclassman.

I don't like it, but that is probably our reality until/unless we move up and make ourselves one of the cherry pickers instead of being the cherry pickees.

What do you consider the lower tier FBS conferences. I would say they are the JV as they play in same league, have no chance for the playoffs and have kids move up a lot. FCS to me is the Class A and B. Still varsity, still compete for Championship, just a lower level of talent and competition.

At least in football I think at this point the lower tier FBS conferences are anyone except the Big 10 and SEC.

[tetoncat]

It's getting harder and harder to argue with the "JV" statements about FCS. Most of the historically strong programs have left FCS, leaving just the Dakotas and Montana schools as legit powers. With NIL and transfer portal playing the roles they play, we may well see the normalization of a bulk of our talent playing here for a year or two before moving on to a "higher" program ... much like the transition from playing JV and being promoted up to Varsity as an upperclassman.

I don't like it, but that is probably our reality until/unless we move up and make ourselves one of the cherry pickers instead of being the cherry pickees.

What do you consider the lower tier FBS conferences. I would say they are the JV as they play in same league, have no chance for the playoffs and have kids move up a lot. FCS to me is the Class A and B. Still varsity, still compete for Championship, just a lower level of talent and competition.

At least in football I think at this point the lower tier FBS conferences are anyone except the Big 10 and SEC.

And in my comparison they are all JV. They will never win a championship

[Montanabob]

and sac brings in 50+ transfers......
wonder what the NIL cost em to go 4-4 this year in BSC?

[SonomaCat]

It's getting harder and harder to argue with the "JV" statements about FCS. Most of the historically strong programs have left FCS, leaving just the Dakotas and Montana schools as legit powers. With NIL and transfer portal playing the roles they play, we may well see the normalization of a bulk of our talent playing here for a year or two before moving on to a "higher" program ... much like the transition from playing JV and being promoted up to Varsity as an upperclassman.

I don't like it, but that is probably our reality until/unless we move up and make ourselves one of the cherry pickers instead of being the cherry pickees.

What do you consider the lower tier FBS conferences. I would say they are the JV as they play in same league, have no chance for the playoffs and have kids move up a lot. FCS to me is the Class A and B. Still varsity, still compete for Championship, just a lower level of talent and competition.

At least in football I think at this point the lower tier FBS conferences are anyone except the Big 10 and SEC.

And in my comparison they are all JV. They will never win a championship

I know this is the same exchange that has happened in one form or another for the last 20 years but ... if "winning a championship" is the test one uses, then D-III and D-II and FCS and NAIA are all kinda the same. But I don't think that's really the test. The Varsity/JV test is who are the haves and have nots across all levels of college football. Obviously, Boise State (made the playoffs this year in FBS) is far more a representation of "Varsity" than we are at this point.

If we don't have the ability due to money/demographics to ever become a Boise State, then that's fine. But if we ever could get to that level, I think it would be a great thing.

Sac State wants to be more like Boise State than Idaho State. That's definitely the right goal, especially for a school in an urban area like them that needs to be "bigger time" to get attention in the media market. Now we'll see if they can pull it off.

At very least, it's good to see that they have a new college president who understands how important sports is to the marketing of a school. If they start hosting games in Sac against Boise State and Fresno State and Oregon State, they may well start drawing more than the visiting Montana teams.

[Cataholic]

It's getting harder and harder to argue with the "JV" statements about FCS. Most of the historically strong programs have left FCS, leaving just the Dakotas and Montana schools as legit powers. With NIL and transfer portal playing the roles they play, we may well see the normalization of a bulk of our talent playing here for a year or two before moving on to a "higher" program ... much like the transition from playing JV and being promoted up to Varsity as an upperclassman.

I don't like it, but that is probably our reality until/unless we move up and make ourselves one of the cherry pickers instead of being the cherry pickees.

What do you consider the lower tier FBS conferences. I would say they are the JV as they play in same league, have no chance for the playoffs and have kids move up a lot. FCS to me is the Class A and B. Still varsity, still compete for Championship, just a lower level of talent and competition.

At least in football I think at this point the lower tier FBS conferences are anyone except the Big 10 and SEC.

And in my comparison they are all JV. They will never win a championship

I know this is the same exchange that has happened in one form or another for the last 20 years but ... if "winning a championship" is the test one uses, then D-III and D-II and FCS and NAIA are all kinda the same. But I don't think that's really the test. The Varsity/JV test is who are the haves and have nots across all levels of college football. Obviously, Boise State (made the playoffs this year in FBS) is far more a representation of "Varsity" than we are at this point.

If we don't have the ability due to money/demographics to ever become a Boise State, then that's fine. But if we ever could get to that level, I think it would be a great thing.

Sac State wants to be more like Boise State than Idaho State. That's definitely the right goal, especially for a school in an urban area like them that needs to be "bigger time" to get attention in the media market. Now we'll see if they can pull it off.

At very least, it's good to see that they have a new college president who understands how important sports is to the marketing of a school. If they start hosting games in Sac against Boise State and Fresno State and Oregon State, they may well start drawing more than the visiting Montana teams.

I think your take is off base, and quite honestly, disrespectful to a lot of colleges and universities and athletes. High school sports have different classifications because of school size. I have never heard AA schools call Dillon or Huntley Project a JV league. FCS is the same. It is a different size of institutions and programs. We would not be competitive playing a Big 10 schedule, but I would not consider any of our athletes as JV players.

To hear such a description come from a school president though is really ignorant. Especially when the school he represents has been floundering about in that division for decades.

[SonomaCat]

It's not literally "JV," but those are the words he used and we were discussing the substance (not the sensitivity) of a comment made by a University. And yes, obviously the president should have worded it differently and been more sensitive to the feelings of others. If we want to shift the focus away from the substance of what he is talking about and toward the idea of canceling him because of his lack of sensitivity, I'll probably sit that discussion out as all that seems to come from that kind of stuff is lost elections.

It's also fair to point out that he intentionally used those terms as slight hyperbole to make a point about something he's frustrated about and which all the rest of of us are also frustrated about. So I'm not really sure being triggered by the words he used is as important as the actual problem he was discussing.

[SonomaCat]

High school sports have different classifications because of school size. I have never heard AA schools call Dillon or Huntley Project a JV league. FCS is the same.

This is actually a completely different structure. If we had AA schools actively recruiting players away from A, B and C schools by the hundreds as soon as they showed potential at the smaller school, then we'd be comparing apples to apples.

As it is, there are commonly athletes at the smaller schools that are better than the AA athletes. They just happened to live in a smaller school district ... and they generally stay in that smaller school through graduation. The smaller schools aren't merely acting as a temporary developmental stop for hundreds of the top underclassmen.

The distinction between FBS and FCS isn't based on the size of the school.

[Kadeezy]

and sac brings in 50+ transfers......
wonder what the NIL cost em to go 4-4 this year in BSC?

This is the concern! It would sadly be "the most Sac State thing ever."

[grizzh8r]

and sac brings in 50+ transfers......
wonder what the NIL cost em to go 4-4 this year in BSC?

This is the concern! It would sadly be "the most Sac State thing ever."

Haha, talk about "curbing your enthusiasm"

[allcat]

High school sports have different classifications because of school size. I have never heard AA schools call Dillon or Huntley Project a JV league. FCS is the same.

This is actually a completely different structure. If we had AA schools actively recruiting players away from A, B and C schools by the hundreds as soon as they showed potential at the smaller school, then we'd be comparing apples to apples.

As it is, there are commonly athletes at the smaller schools that are better than the AA athletes. They just happened to live in a smaller school district ... and they generally stay in that smaller school through graduation. The smaller schools aren't merely acting as a temporary developmental stop for hundreds of the top underclassmen.

The distinction between FBS and FCS isn't based on the size of the school.

We do have that, Missoula has been doing it for years.