Dougherty on the Griz

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:29 am

Just a couple things of note:

Shut down the running game, and force Swogger and the receivers to make plays. They obviously showed that is possible in the first round, but Swogger has also played erratically at times and works behind an offensive line that has contributed greatly to ranking dead last in the nation with 43 sacks allowed.

Still, they haven’t faced a top-notch running game this season, and a team with a big offensive line could get a push against the defensive line.

Seems I've heard that theme before... (JMU '04, MSU '05)

DriftCat · Post by **DriftCat** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:45 am

Kind of funny an O-line that is dead last in the nation in sacks allowed had two first team all-conference selections.

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:33 am

MM7CAT wrote:Kind of funny an O-line that is dead last in the nation in sacks allowed had two first team all-conference selections.

Man, those other 3 must suck.

Air_Griz · Post by **Air_Griz** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:20 pm

El_Gato wrote:Just a couple things of note:

Shut down the running game, and force Swogger and the receivers to make plays. They obviously showed that is possible in the first round, but Swogger has also played erratically at times and works behind an offensive line that has contributed greatly to ranking dead last in the nation with 43 sacks allowed.

Still, they haven’t faced a top-notch running game this season, and a team with a big offensive line could get a push against the defensive line.
Seems I've heard that theme before... (JMU '04, MSU '05)

Obivously, I was giving the Cats more credit with their running game than Dougherty or the Cats own fans. Cats better show up with a running game on Saturday or it could get ugly.

A former Cat coach stated that Furman was the worst team he had ever seen in the Playoffs in 30 years of watching I-AA football.

Why would he say that? I didn't see the game, but was Furman that bad?

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:59 am

I think they were slightly better than McNeese St...

Topher · Post by **Topher** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:14 pm

El_Gato wrote:I think they were slightly better than McNeese St...

Ah, sortofa UM/MSU relationship

I KNOW I KNOW...But I thought of it quick...Like right after I read it...With that said I dream of an all Montana Championship game...It has replaced visions of sugar plumbs for me this holiday season

GO GRIZ
GO CATS

Air_Griz · Post by **Air_Griz** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:04 pm

El_Gato wrote:I think they were slightly better than McNeese St...

Hence, the 2 touchdowns and 13 points?

twentythreeOh4 · Post by **twentythreeOh4** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:34 pm

El_Gato wrote:Just a couple things of note:

Shut down the running game, and force Swogger and the receivers to make plays. They obviously showed that is possible in the first round, but Swogger has also played erratically at times and works behind an offensive line that has contributed greatly to ranking dead last in the nation with 43 sacks allowed.

Still, they haven’t faced a top-notch running game this season, and a team with a big offensive line could get a push against the defensive line.
Seems I've heard that theme before... (JMU '04, MSU '05)

Sounds like a good plan.

Of course, if it was really that easy to run on the Griz D, you would think MSU '06 would have managed to get at least 1 rushing first down -- in the ENTIRE game. After all, MSU was supposed to have the best O-line in the conference and several all-conference backs. You would think they would get more than 53 yards (1.9 yards/carry) against such a weak run defense. Go figure?

tampa_griz · Post by **tampa_griz** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:00 am

I think our D's shutting down Arkee Whitlock yesterday should put this argument to rest.

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:24 pm

tampa_griz wrote:I think our D's shutting down Arkee Whitlock yesterday should put this argument to rest.

Well, you'd think. Giving up 1 first down in an entire half to the best back in the game should do that. However, I have no doubt we'll hear it again.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:38 pm

tampa_griz wrote:I think our D's shutting down Arkee Whitlock yesterday should put this argument to rest.

wasnt it just runs up the middle? if so i would hope that idaho state would shut them down....

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:44 pm

UM has a great defense, no question about it. Shutting down Whitlock is pretty good. i think WKU held him to 66, but you guys did a better job of it. The thing you have to keep in mind if you're a UM fan is that figure came in Wash-Griz, which as we all know is one tough place to play, esp. the first visit. I give your fans almost as much credit as UM's defense. I think you'll shut down UMass, too, but wonder if you can score enough points to beat them. It will be like the MSU-UM game where a freak play here or there will win it for whoever. UMass has a great defense, too, and I don't think McNeese or SIU was anywhere near that. So despite your good D, I think the outcome will decided by how well your offense does against there D. YOu scored 20 against a team that gave more than that to seven other teams. Good luck to ya.

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:46 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
tampa_griz wrote:I think our D's shutting down Arkee Whitlock yesterday should put this argument to rest.
wasnt it just runs up the middle? if so i would hope that idaho state would shut them down....

Don't be a hater.

That's what SIU does, run Arkie behind that HUGE line that got their asses handed to 'em.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:11 pm

crazycat wrote:UM has a great defense, no question about it. Shutting down Whitlock is pretty good. i think WKU held him to 66, but you guys did a better job of it. The thing you have to keep in mind if you're a UM fan is that figure came in Wash-Griz, which as we all know is one tough place to play, esp. the first visit. I give your fans almost as much credit as UM's defense. I think you'll shut down UMass, too, but wonder if you can score enough points to beat them. It will be like the MSU-UM game where a freak play here or there will win it for whoever. UMass has a great defense, too, and I don't think McNeese or SIU was anywhere near that. So despite your good D, I think the outcome will decided by how well your offense does against there D. YOu scored 20 against a team that gave more than that to seven other teams. Good luck to ya.

The Griz scored on 3 of 4 first half possessions. While the game was low scoring, it would be unfair to say the offense was unproductive. Rather, the Griz offense simply did not have that many possessions. Keep in mind, the game only lasted 2:50.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:15 pm

theblackgecko wrote:
crazycat wrote:UM has a great defense, no question about it. Shutting down Whitlock is pretty good. i think WKU held him to 66, but you guys did a better job of it. The thing you have to keep in mind if you're a UM fan is that figure came in Wash-Griz, which as we all know is one tough place to play, esp. the first visit. I give your fans almost as much credit as UM's defense. I think you'll shut down UMass, too, but wonder if you can score enough points to beat them. It will be like the MSU-UM game where a freak play here or there will win it for whoever. UMass has a great defense, too, and I don't think McNeese or SIU was anywhere near that. So despite your good D, I think the outcome will decided by how well your offense does against there D. YOu scored 20 against a team that gave more than that to seven other teams. Good luck to ya.
The Griz scored on 3 of 4 first half possessions. While the game was low scoring, it would be unfair to say the offense was unproductive. Rather, the Griz offense simply did not have that many possessions. Keep in mind, the game only lasted 2:50.

didnt the saluki running game take up a lot of the time?

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:21 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
theblackgecko wrote:
crazycat wrote:UM has a great defense, no question about it. Shutting down Whitlock is pretty good. i think WKU held him to 66, but you guys did a better job of it. The thing you have to keep in mind if you're a UM fan is that figure came in Wash-Griz, which as we all know is one tough place to play, esp. the first visit. I give your fans almost as much credit as UM's defense. I think you'll shut down UMass, too, but wonder if you can score enough points to beat them. It will be like the MSU-UM game where a freak play here or there will win it for whoever. UMass has a great defense, too, and I don't think McNeese or SIU was anywhere near that. So despite your good D, I think the outcome will decided by how well your offense does against there D. YOu scored 20 against a team that gave more than that to seven other teams. Good luck to ya.
The Griz scored on 3 of 4 first half possessions. While the game was low scoring, it would be unfair to say the offense was unproductive. Rather, the Griz offense simply did not have that many possessions. Keep in mind, the game only lasted 2:50.
didnt the saluki running game take up a lot of the time?

Yes. SIU's TOP was 24:32. A lot of that was resetting the chains from Saluki running plays.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:24 pm

theblackgecko wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:
theblackgecko wrote:
crazycat wrote:UM has a great defense, no question about it. Shutting down Whitlock is pretty good. i think WKU held him to 66, but you guys did a better job of it. The thing you have to keep in mind if you're a UM fan is that figure came in Wash-Griz, which as we all know is one tough place to play, esp. the first visit. I give your fans almost as much credit as UM's defense. I think you'll shut down UMass, too, but wonder if you can score enough points to beat them. It will be like the MSU-UM game where a freak play here or there will win it for whoever. UMass has a great defense, too, and I don't think McNeese or SIU was anywhere near that. So despite your good D, I think the outcome will decided by how well your offense does against there D. YOu scored 20 against a team that gave more than that to seven other teams. Good luck to ya.
The Griz scored on 3 of 4 first half possessions. While the game was low scoring, it would be unfair to say the offense was unproductive. Rather, the Griz offense simply did not have that many possessions. Keep in mind, the game only lasted 2:50.
didnt the saluki running game take up a lot of the time?
Yes. SIU's TOP was 24:32. A lot of that was resetting the chains from Saluki running plays.

which was, as i understood it, self defeating

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