Delaware to CUSA

The place for news, information and discussion of athletics at "other" schools.

Moderators: rtb, kmax, SonomaCat

User avatar
cats2506
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 9340
Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:35 pm
Location: Lewistown

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by cats2506 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:22 pm

BleedingBLue wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:53 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:46 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:36 am
This has been my position on this. If App State, JMU, Sam Houston were still around I would be happy where we are but they aren't and I don't think the xDSU's are around much longer as well. MSU needs to be in a position that if the opportunity arises, we're ready.

This season Cats played in Bozeman:
A team that doesn't offer athletic scholarships
A team that plays their home games at a high school (even Northern has a stadium now)
A team the seriously considered dropping football
Agreed. This year's playoff bracket just seemed so watered down outside of the Dakota & Montana schools.
Wait until the Mountain West schools form a new Pac 12(+-) with OSU and WSU. The Montana schools and the Dakota schools form a new Prairie-Mountain West conference and play each other for the chance of......uh..... playing other low end FBS programs, with the same 3-star or below talent we've always had, for the chance at the Jimmy Kimmel bowl.
Playoffs are slowly turning into Big Sky vs MVFC... You have to go back to 2013 to find a University that is still in the FCS that played in the championship game that is not from either of those conferences (Townson).
The FBS isn't any different. SEC, Big Ten and a rotation of the ACC or Big12. Won't change next year either when the top G5 team gets a playoff spot, and the other 11 are from the SEC, Big Ten, Big12 (maybe) and ACC.
That's what I see too. If you think the FCS is loaded with crappy teams, just look at what the top of the FBS sees when they look at the rest of the FBS, and then they see teams like Delawhere moving up to add to it.


PlayerRep wrote:The point is not the record of the teams UM beat, it's the quality and record of the teams UM almost beat.

User avatar
84CatGrad
2nd Team All-BobcatNation
Posts: 1330
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:05 pm
Location: Columbus, MT

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by 84CatGrad » Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:12 pm

I'm very excited for the 2028 Duke's Mayo Bowl.



User avatar
AFCAT
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 11027
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:25 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by AFCAT » Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:28 pm

84CatGrad wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:12 pm
I'm very excited for the 2028 Duke's Mayo Bowl.
Me too!

Image


QB Club https://www.msubqc.org
Bobcat Collective https://linktr.ee/thebobcatcollective
“In the military, they teach you the best time to attack your enemy is nighttime and bad weather. We’ve got f—ing both!” — Devin Slaughter

User avatar
ND0479
2nd Team All-BobcatNation
Posts: 1234
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:45 am

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by ND0479 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:30 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:36 am
This has been my position on this. If App State, JMU, Sam Houston were still around I would be happy where we are but they aren't and I don't think the xDSU's are around much longer as well. MSU needs to be in a position that if the opportunity arises, we're ready.

This season Cats played in Bozeman:
A team that doesn't offer athletic scholarships
A team that plays their home games at a high school (even Northern has a stadium now)
A team the seriously considered dropping football
Agreed. This year's playoff bracket just seemed so watered down outside of the Dakota & Montana schools.
Wait until the Mountain West schools form a new Pac 12(+-) with OSU and WSU. The Montana schools and the Dakota schools form a new Prairie-Mountain West conference and play each other for the chance of......uh..... playing other low end FBS programs, with the same 3-star or below talent we've always had, for the chance at the Jimmy Kimmel bowl.
I'd care about the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl if the Cats were playing in it! I'd certainly care more about the FCS Championship, but the only people that care about the FCS Championship are people with ties to the FCS, much like the only people that care about the crappy bowl games are the people affiliated with the schools involved.



User avatar
AFCAT
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 11027
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:25 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by AFCAT » Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:39 pm

ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:30 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:36 am
This has been my position on this. If App State, JMU, Sam Houston were still around I would be happy where we are but they aren't and I don't think the xDSU's are around much longer as well. MSU needs to be in a position that if the opportunity arises, we're ready.

This season Cats played in Bozeman:
A team that doesn't offer athletic scholarships
A team that plays their home games at a high school (even Northern has a stadium now)
A team the seriously considered dropping football
Agreed. This year's playoff bracket just seemed so watered down outside of the Dakota & Montana schools.
Wait until the Mountain West schools form a new Pac 12(+-) with OSU and WSU. The Montana schools and the Dakota schools form a new Prairie-Mountain West conference and play each other for the chance of......uh..... playing other low end FBS programs, with the same 3-star or below talent we've always had, for the chance at the Jimmy Kimmel bowl.
I'd care about the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl if the Cats were playing in it! I'd certainly care more about the FCS Championship, but the only people that care about the FCS Championship are people with ties to the FCS, much like the only people that care about the crappy bowl games are the people affiliated with the schools involved.
I can't wait to hang the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl championship banner in the Brick someday. We can put it right next to the Camellia Bowl championship banner and reminisce about the game that Cat fans so fondly remember....oh wait...nevermind.


QB Club https://www.msubqc.org
Bobcat Collective https://linktr.ee/thebobcatcollective
“In the military, they teach you the best time to attack your enemy is nighttime and bad weather. We’ve got f—ing both!” — Devin Slaughter

User avatar
BleedingBLue
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 6706
Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:00 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by BleedingBLue » Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:08 pm

Conference USA is going to be 1/3 recent FCS teams in 2 years. SHSU, Jacksonville State, Kennesaw State (who has no business in FBS) and Delaware. Good stuff. Not to mention they have powerhouses Florida International, Middle Tennessee State and UTEP in the conference as well.



User avatar
coloradocat
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 5498
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:24 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by coloradocat » Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:28 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:39 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:30 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:36 am
This has been my position on this. If App State, JMU, Sam Houston were still around I would be happy where we are but they aren't and I don't think the xDSU's are around much longer as well. MSU needs to be in a position that if the opportunity arises, we're ready.

This season Cats played in Bozeman:
A team that doesn't offer athletic scholarships
A team that plays their home games at a high school (even Northern has a stadium now)
A team the seriously considered dropping football
Agreed. This year's playoff bracket just seemed so watered down outside of the Dakota & Montana schools.
Wait until the Mountain West schools form a new Pac 12(+-) with OSU and WSU. The Montana schools and the Dakota schools form a new Prairie-Mountain West conference and play each other for the chance of......uh..... playing other low end FBS programs, with the same 3-star or below talent we've always had, for the chance at the Jimmy Kimmel bowl.
I'd care about the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl if the Cats were playing in it! I'd certainly care more about the FCS Championship, but the only people that care about the FCS Championship are people with ties to the FCS, much like the only people that care about the crappy bowl games are the people affiliated with the schools involved.
I can't wait to hang the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl championship banner in the Brick someday. We can put it right next to the Camellia Bowl championship banner and reminisce about the game that Cat fans so fondly remember....oh wait...nevermind.
Imagine winning a post-season game and getting a banner. I'd much rather just get blown out by a DSU every year. ](*,)


Eastwood, did not make it. Ball out! Recovered, by Montana State!! The Bobcats hold!!! The Bobcats hold!!!

Cataholic
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 6989
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:09 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by Cataholic » Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:30 pm

BleedingBLue wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:08 pm
Conference USA is going to be 1/3 recent FCS teams in 2 years. SHSU, Jacksonville State, Kennesaw State (who has no business in FBS) and Delaware. Good stuff. Not to mention they have powerhouses Florida International, Middle Tennessee State and UTEP in the conference as well.
Liberty was also FCS but they are currently 12-0 and ranked 20th in the country. With the new playoff format coming to FBS, they would probably be the one G5 team to qualify.



MTnative
BobcatNation Team Captain
Posts: 590
Joined: Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:08 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by MTnative » Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:32 pm

Delaware is just doing what other schools have already done. They are following precedent because they think they have to.

And that’s just stupid.



User avatar
84CatGrad
2nd Team All-BobcatNation
Posts: 1330
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:05 pm
Location: Columbus, MT

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by 84CatGrad » Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:33 pm

I can't wait to hang the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl championship banner in the Brick someday. We can put it right next to the Camellia Bowl championship banner and reminisce about the game that Cat fans so fondly remember....oh wait...nevermind.

Idaho has three gigantic banners hanging in the Kibbie Dome representing wins in the Humanitarian/Famous Potatoes Bowl, 1998, 2009, 2016. They look ridiculous.



User avatar
AFCAT
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 11027
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:25 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by AFCAT » Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:53 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:28 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:39 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:30 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:36 am
This has been my position on this. If App State, JMU, Sam Houston were still around I would be happy where we are but they aren't and I don't think the xDSU's are around much longer as well. MSU needs to be in a position that if the opportunity arises, we're ready.

This season Cats played in Bozeman:
A team that doesn't offer athletic scholarships
A team that plays their home games at a high school (even Northern has a stadium now)
A team the seriously considered dropping football
Agreed. This year's playoff bracket just seemed so watered down outside of the Dakota & Montana schools.
Wait until the Mountain West schools form a new Pac 12(+-) with OSU and WSU. The Montana schools and the Dakota schools form a new Prairie-Mountain West conference and play each other for the chance of......uh..... playing other low end FBS programs, with the same 3-star or below talent we've always had, for the chance at the Jimmy Kimmel bowl.
I'd care about the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl if the Cats were playing in it! I'd certainly care more about the FCS Championship, but the only people that care about the FCS Championship are people with ties to the FCS, much like the only people that care about the crappy bowl games are the people affiliated with the schools involved.
I can't wait to hang the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl championship banner in the Brick someday. We can put it right next to the Camellia Bowl championship banner and reminisce about the game that Cat fans so fondly remember....oh wait...nevermind.
Imagine winning a post-season game and getting a banner. I'd much rather just get blown out by a DSU every year. ](*,)
It's beautiful. :sick:

On another note, I know the 1984 team didn't receive anything from the Big Sky conference when they won the title that year. They got rings for winning the Natty but nothing for the conference. Does anyone know when that changed?

Image


QB Club https://www.msubqc.org
Bobcat Collective https://linktr.ee/thebobcatcollective
“In the military, they teach you the best time to attack your enemy is nighttime and bad weather. We’ve got f—ing both!” — Devin Slaughter

aucat
2nd Team All-BobcatNation
Posts: 1472
Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:13 am

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by aucat » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 pm

Might want to ask Idaho how well it worked out.



rfischer94
BobcatNation Team Captain
Posts: 488
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:16 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by rfischer94 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:30 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:36 am
This has been my position on this. If App State, JMU, Sam Houston were still around I would be happy where we are but they aren't and I don't think the xDSU's are around much longer as well. MSU needs to be in a position that if the opportunity arises, we're ready.

This season Cats played in Bozeman:
A team that doesn't offer athletic scholarships
A team that plays their home games at a high school (even Northern has a stadium now)
A team the seriously considered dropping football
Agreed. This year's playoff bracket just seemed so watered down outside of the Dakota & Montana schools.
Wait until the Mountain West schools form a new Pac 12(+-) with OSU and WSU. The Montana schools and the Dakota schools form a new Prairie-Mountain West conference and play each other for the chance of......uh..... playing other low end FBS programs, with the same 3-star or below talent we've always had, for the chance at the Jimmy Kimmel bowl.
But we could play in the Pop-Tart Bowl! Winner gets to take a bite out of the mascot! :lol:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 96281.html



onceacat
BobcatNation Hall of Famer
Posts: 3718
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:35 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by onceacat » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:32 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:56 am
There isn’t a G5 conference out there that’s going to want MSU. They’ll either have to make a new one that has the Dakotas and some other western schools in it, or stay in the FCS.

I’m not sure MSU and UM can afford to be a competitive FBS school. The coach at UConn was just saying they need $1.5 million in NIL money a year to be competitive recruiting. We can’t do that, our fan base isn’t that big. I have no desire to be a mid to low level FBS school either.

I think in 10-15 years we see a lot of schools drop football. It’s just getting to be too expensive.
The Pac Whatever and/or the Mountain West are in desperate need of new schools.

I have a really hard time seeing how OSU. WSY, Wyoming, Utah State, Boise State etc make it work but the DSUs & Montanas cant?

I think more likely the Big 4 conferences go their own way & the G5 plus become a new version of 1-AA.



onceacat
BobcatNation Hall of Famer
Posts: 3718
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:35 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by onceacat » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:35 pm

aucat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 pm
Might want to ask Idaho how well it worked out.
Or JMU. Or Boise State. Or Liberty.



User avatar
AFCAT
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 11027
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:25 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by AFCAT » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:39 pm

rfischer94 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:30 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:36 am
This has been my position on this. If App State, JMU, Sam Houston were still around I would be happy where we are but they aren't and I don't think the xDSU's are around much longer as well. MSU needs to be in a position that if the opportunity arises, we're ready.

This season Cats played in Bozeman:
A team that doesn't offer athletic scholarships
A team that plays their home games at a high school (even Northern has a stadium now)
A team the seriously considered dropping football
Agreed. This year's playoff bracket just seemed so watered down outside of the Dakota & Montana schools.
Wait until the Mountain West schools form a new Pac 12(+-) with OSU and WSU. The Montana schools and the Dakota schools form a new Prairie-Mountain West conference and play each other for the chance of......uh..... playing other low end FBS programs, with the same 3-star or below talent we've always had, for the chance at the Jimmy Kimmel bowl.
But we could play in the Pop-Tart Bowl! Winner gets to take a bite out of the mascot! :lol:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 96281.html
We need a Depends Undergarments Bowl or the Viagra Bowl. I wonder what the Viagra Bowl banner would look like hanging in the Brick? Or would it be hanging? :-k


QB Club https://www.msubqc.org
Bobcat Collective https://linktr.ee/thebobcatcollective
“In the military, they teach you the best time to attack your enemy is nighttime and bad weather. We’ve got f—ing both!” — Devin Slaughter

rfischer94
BobcatNation Team Captain
Posts: 488
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:16 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by rfischer94 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:41 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:39 pm
rfischer94 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:30 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:36 am
This has been my position on this. If App State, JMU, Sam Houston were still around I would be happy where we are but they aren't and I don't think the xDSU's are around much longer as well. MSU needs to be in a position that if the opportunity arises, we're ready.

This season Cats played in Bozeman:
A team that doesn't offer athletic scholarships
A team that plays their home games at a high school (even Northern has a stadium now)
A team the seriously considered dropping football
Agreed. This year's playoff bracket just seemed so watered down outside of the Dakota & Montana schools.
Wait until the Mountain West schools form a new Pac 12(+-) with OSU and WSU. The Montana schools and the Dakota schools form a new Prairie-Mountain West conference and play each other for the chance of......uh..... playing other low end FBS programs, with the same 3-star or below talent we've always had, for the chance at the Jimmy Kimmel bowl.
But we could play in the Pop-Tart Bowl! Winner gets to take a bite out of the mascot! :lol:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 96281.html
We need a Depends Undergarments Bowl or the Viagra Bowl. I wonder what the Viagra Bowl banner would look like hanging in the Brick? Or would it be hanging? :-k
:lol: :lol: :lol:



User avatar
BleedingBLue
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 6706
Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:00 pm

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by BleedingBLue » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:57 pm

onceacat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:35 pm
aucat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:17 pm
Might want to ask Idaho how well it worked out.
Or JMU. Or Boise State. Or Liberty.
We can play this game all day. Or Nevada. Or Marshall. Or Georgia Southern. Now you go.



John K
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 8635
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:04 am
Location: Great Falls MT

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by John K » Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:51 pm

MSU01 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:40 am
Mtcatfan wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:34 am
Total attendance for all 8 FCs games last weekend was less than 50,000 and that includes both North Dakota schools which were less than half full. Excitement for this league of football is almost limited to UM and MSU it seems. Is it sustainable?
I think it's a very telling statistic that all 16 teams left in the FCS playoffs this year come from four conferences. The pool of FCS teams good enough to contend for a National Title is rapidly shrinking and nobody wants to be the last one left in the bottom of the pool when it dries up completely. Hopefully once WSU and OSU figure out what they're going to do there can be movement towards some kind of Western realignment involving the Montana and Dakota schools moving up to FBS.
It's nothing new, that the FCS playoffs are being dominated by just 4 conferences this season. The BSC, MVFC, CAA, and SoCon have been the 4 dominant conferences by far, for as long as I can remember. In the past you probably could have added the Southland to that list, but they weren't usually too competitive nationally, except for SHSU. Over the years, very few teams from outside of those 4 (or 5) conferences have ever made it beyond the QF.



John K
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 8635
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:04 am
Location: Great Falls MT

Re: Delaware to CUSA

Post by John K » Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:59 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:36 pm
ND0479 wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:36 am
This has been my position on this. If App State, JMU, Sam Houston were still around I would be happy where we are but they aren't and I don't think the xDSU's are around much longer as well. MSU needs to be in a position that if the opportunity arises, we're ready.

This season Cats played in Bozeman:
A team that doesn't offer athletic scholarships
A team that plays their home games at a high school (even Northern has a stadium now)
A team the seriously considered dropping football
Agreed. This year's playoff bracket just seemed so watered down outside of the Dakota & Montana schools.
It would be hard to imagine a 6 seed with 3 FCS losses with JMU or Sam Houston still around.
It's not at all hard to imagine that, regardless of whether JMU, SHSU, or any other program is still in the FCS, when that #6 seed's losses were to the #1 seed (by 4 points), the #2 seed, and the #4 seed (by 3 points), and all 3 on the road. MSU is not a typical 3 loss team this season



Post Reply