2024 D

[AFCAT]

4shor? Word?

Epic and righteous off the hook slang makin me tripin by my hip Bobcat peeps. Peace out!

[Cat Grad]

4shor? Word?

Epic and righteous off the hook slang makin me tripin by my hip Bobcat peeps.

Groovy lingo man. Far out, oughta sight. They be fly too.

[luckyirishguy25]

4shor? Word?

Epic and righteous off the hook slang makin me tripin by my hip Bobcat peeps.

Groovy lingo man. Far out, oughta sight. They be fly too.

The correct linguistic observation is "Fire"

[TomCat88]

I think MSU will be either 1 or 2 in the BSC next season. The loss of Valdez is big but the improvement of other players should offset that. One thing 2023 proved is that no matter how much depth you have injuries will still drag teams down. MSU went from running 1s and 2s everywhere to running 2s and 3s, and sometimes just 3s on defense. It took its toll but MSU still held its own, which is very noteworthy in my view.

[nanacat]

I read Craig Haley's article about the 2024 season and he commented on MSU's transfer portal losses but specifically mentioned Marcus Wehr, Tommy, Brody and Danny U as players who were coming back and would contribute greatly.

[94VegasCat]

Level Price Played really well at Nickelback at times. But struggled when he was dinged up.
We need depth and consistency at that position next season

Pretty tough when your #1 nickel tears his ACL two games in and your #2 wears down by year end. We were cursed at that position last year.

What happened to ‘next man up’ at that spot? Miles Jackson I think? This is where my thought of moving Ortt to Nickel and getting a bigger Safety transfer to play alongside Polidore.

[94VegasCat]

I read Craig Haley's article about the 2024 season and he commented on MSU's transfer portal losses but specifically mentioned Marcus Wehr, Tommy, Brody and Danny U as players who were coming back and would contribute greatly.

Is it conceivable that we get better by subtraction?

[KIX]

I think MSU will be either 1 or 2 in the BSC next season. The loss of Valdez is big but the improvement of other players should offset that. One thing 2023 proved is that no matter how much depth you have injuries will still drag teams down. MSU went from running 1s and 2s everywhere to running 2s and 3s, and sometimes just 3s on defense. It took its toll but MSU still held its own, which is very noteworthy in my view.

None of the other top FCS teams (SDSU, NDSU, UM, ID) seemed to have that problem. Why?

[VimSince03]

Level Price Played really well at Nickelback at times. But struggled when he was dinged up.
We need depth and consistency at that position next season

Pretty tough when your #1 nickel tears his ACL two games in and your #2 wears down by year end. We were cursed at that position last year.

What happened to ‘next man up’ at that spot? Miles Jackson I think? This is where my thought of moving Ortt to Nickel and getting a bigger Safety transfer to play alongside Polidore.

Miles Jackson was the surprise next man up and started the Sac State and Idaho games. It really impacted us in the Idaho game. Losing Polidore meant we had to keep Rylan at strong safety. That's why I agree with you we need to try to find another bigger safety/nickel body to make us flexible when injuries happen. Also why I found it surprising Aidan Parks didn't get the call at nickel because he played so well in the spring game. Parks must have not been "good enough" but I'm shocked he never saw one down of 1st string in his time at MSU. Miles belongs on the outside as one of our bigger corners. Anyway, we've brought in a transfer safety and corner every year under Vigen so I'm assuming we'll do the same this spring.

[VimSince03]

I think MSU will be either 1 or 2 in the BSC next season. The loss of Valdez is big but the improvement of other players should offset that. One thing 2023 proved is that no matter how much depth you have injuries will still drag teams down. MSU went from running 1s and 2s everywhere to running 2s and 3s, and sometimes just 3s on defense. It took its toll but MSU still held its own, which is very noteworthy in my view.

None of the other top FCS teams (SDSU, NDSU, UM, ID) seemed to have that problem. Why?

I know you think its because of double reps but SDSU and NDSU do the same thing and UM practices very physically every year at all levels of depth. It's either bad luck or maybe our training regimen with Sean Herrin needs to be adjusted.

[nanacat]

I read Craig Haley's article about the 2024 season and he commented on MSU's transfer portal losses but specifically mentioned Marcus Wehr, Tommy, Brody and Danny U as players who were coming back and would contribute greatly.

Is it conceivable that we get better by subtraction?

Haha could be?

[BelligerentBobcat]

I read Craig Haley's article about the 2024 season and he commented on MSU's transfer portal losses but specifically mentioned Marcus Wehr, Tommy, Brody and Danny U as players who were coming back and would contribute greatly.

Is it conceivable that we get better by subtraction?

We can get better because the returning players can still improve, but get better because we lost Valdez/Reimer/Omar? I don’t think so. Despite some people’s misgivings about Valdez, he was still an impact player.

[TomCat88]

I think MSU will be either 1 or 2 in the BSC next season. The loss of Valdez is big but the improvement of other players should offset that. One thing 2023 proved is that no matter how much depth you have injuries will still drag teams down. MSU went from running 1s and 2s everywhere to running 2s and 3s, and sometimes just 3s on defense. It took its toll but MSU still held its own, which is very noteworthy in my view.

None of the other top FCS teams (SDSU, NDSU, UM, ID) seemed to have that problem. Why?

Things like this just happen. There’s always a good team that gets dinged up in every sport, every year. MSU also had to navigate a bear of schedule and deal with the distractions of the coordinators and the poor timing of the storm between the late at SAC game and at Idaho game.

[catatac]

I read Craig Haley's article about the 2024 season and he commented on MSU's transfer portal losses but specifically mentioned Marcus Wehr, Tommy, Brody and Danny U as players who were coming back and would contribute greatly.

Is it conceivable that we get better by subtraction?

We can get better because the returning players can still improve, but get better because we lost Valdez/Reimer/Omar? I don’t think so. Despite some people’s misgivings about Valdez, he was still an impact player.

Ya, I don't understand anyone saying we get better BECAUSE we lose those three, but IMO we could be better on the DL and OL overall DESPITE losing those players, the way I look at it. This isn't because the backups were better, but just because on OL we have crazy quality depth there and as you point out, all the returning players have another year developing and improving. As for the DL, ya Seabass was damn good but to only lose one impact player on the DL versus many teams that lose three or four stars in a given year, relatively speaking we make out good there.

[BLACKnBLUEnGOLD]

4shor? Word?

Epic and righteous off the hook slang makin me tripin by my hip Bobcat peeps.

Groovy lingo man. Far out, oughta sight. They be fly too.

The correct linguistic observation is "Fire"

No cap.

[94VegasCat]

I read Craig Haley's article about the 2024 season and he commented on MSU's transfer portal losses but specifically mentioned Marcus Wehr, Tommy, Brody and Danny U as players who were coming back and would contribute greatly.

Is it conceivable that we get better by subtraction?

We can get better because the returning players can still improve, but get better because we lost Valdez/Reimer/Omar? I don’t think so. Despite some people’s misgivings about Valdez, he was still an impact player.

I loved Valdez and all the other guys gone to the portal. My thought was that with those guys gone, the remaining guys work THAT much harder to (in their minds) fill the gap. PLUS the Wa St DL transfer looks to be a beast. I also trust Howe and Al Johnson to mold the remaining pieces into what we all want, dominant lineman.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I read Craig Haley's article about the 2024 season and he commented on MSU's transfer portal losses but specifically mentioned Marcus Wehr, Tommy, Brody and Danny U as players who were coming back and would contribute greatly.

Is it conceivable that we get better by subtraction?

We can get better because the returning players can still improve, but get better because we lost Valdez/Reimer/Omar? I don’t think so. Despite some people’s misgivings about Valdez, he was still an impact player.

I loved Valdez and all the other guys gone to the portal. My thought was that with those guys gone, the remaining guys work THAT much harder to (in their minds) fill the gap. PLUS the Wa St DL transfer looks to be a beast. I also trust Howe and Al Johnson to mold the remaining pieces into what we all want, dominant lineman.

Do you think they weren’t already giving their all on a team they knew was a championship contender? That would reflect poorly upon them if true.

[TomCat88]

I read Craig Haley's article about the 2024 season and he commented on MSU's transfer portal losses but specifically mentioned Marcus Wehr, Tommy, Brody and Danny U as players who were coming back and would contribute greatly.

Is it conceivable that we get better by subtraction?

We can get better because the returning players can still improve, but get better because we lost Valdez/Reimer/Omar? I don’t think so. Despite some people’s misgivings about Valdez, he was still an impact player.

Ya, I don't understand anyone saying we get better BECAUSE we lose those three, but IMO we could be better on the DL and OL overall DESPITE losing those players, the way I look at it. This isn't because the backups were better, but just because on OL we have crazy quality depth there and as you point out, all the returning players have another year developing and improving. As for the DL, ya Seabass was damn good but to only lose one impact player on the DL versus many teams that lose three or four stars in a given year, relatively speaking we make out good there.

I’m not sure about this but imo MSU is probably replacing the players it’s losing with better players than the other teams are with the players they’ve lost. If that makes sense.