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Please define: helmet to helmet/targeting

Post by 94VegasCat » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:30 pm

At least three times today, sac defenders lowered their heads and lead with the crown of the helmet while making tackles.

1) On L Jones long run play, he got lit up at the line of scrimmage. Kept his balance and made a long gain, all while trying to adjust his helmet. Replay clearly shows the CB coming down the LOS and leads with the crown and clearly hits Jones in the head. It was audibly, clearly a helmet to helmet whack!

2) Very next play, our receiver is in the left flat being spun around by the initial defender when he gets walloped with the crown of the helmet hit.

3) J Allyenes punt return on the sac sideline that knocked him out of the game. Crown of the helmet hit.

What am I missing, other than we know BSC referees suck whale sh!t?


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Re: Please define: helmet to helmet/targeting

Post by 94VegasCat » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:03 pm

I guess no one knows?


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Re: Please define: helmet to helmet/targeting

Post by catsrback76 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:10 am

We'll get that answered once we also get answered why a play that produced a TD was called off because the refs called the play dead for too many men on the field of play. #-o



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Re: Please define: helmet to helmet/targeting

Post by 77matcat » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:45 am

Sad but true.



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Re: Please define: helmet to helmet/targeting

Post by RationalGriz » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:57 pm

catsrback76 wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:10 am
We'll get that answered once we also get answered why a play that produced a TD was called off because the refs called the play dead for too many men on the field of play. #-o
Pretty sure that was not the penalty, it was for illegal substitution, which would be a dead ball penalty. I believe this is the rule for that situation:

When Team A sends in its substitutes, the officials will not allow the ball
to be snapped until Team B has been given an opportunity to substitute.
While in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, Team A
is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage with the
obvious attempt of creating a defensive disadvantage. If the ball is ready
for play, the game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until
Team B has placed substitutes in position and replaced players have left
the field of play. Team B must react promptly with its substitutes.
PENALTY—(First Offense)—Dead-ball foul. Delay of game on Team B
for not completing its substitutions promptly, or delay of
game on Team A for causing the play clock to expire. Five
yards from the succeeding spot [S21]. The referee will then
notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will
result in an unsportsmanlike conduct foul.



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Re: Please define: helmet to helmet/targeting

Post by technoCat » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:37 pm

RationalGriz wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:57 pm
catsrback76 wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:10 am
We'll get that answered once we also get answered why a play that produced a TD was called off because the refs called the play dead for too many men on the field of play. #-o
Pretty sure that was not the penalty, it was for illegal substitution, which would be a dead ball penalty. I believe this is the rule for that situation:

When Team A sends in its substitutes, the officials will not allow the ball
to be snapped until Team B has been given an opportunity to substitute.
While in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, Team A
is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage with the
obvious attempt of creating a defensive disadvantage. If the ball is ready
for play, the game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until
Team B has placed substitutes in position and replaced players have left
the field of play. Team B must react promptly with its substitutes.
PENALTY—(First Offense)—Dead-ball foul. Delay of game on Team B
for not completing its substitutions promptly, or delay of
game on Team A for causing the play clock to expire. Five
yards from the succeeding spot [S21]. The referee will then
notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will
result in an unsportsmanlike conduct foul.
I'm just confused on when they decided to call that the foul instead of offsides or 12 men on the field because I don't recall the play being blown dead until its conclusion. I did not get to see a replay though and couldn't hear what the call was because the mike was out or something. Is it clear that they tried to stop the play on replay?


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Re: Please define: helmet to helmet/targeting

Post by FTG247365 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:20 pm

94VegasCat wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:30 pm
At least three times today, sac defenders lowered their heads and lead with the crown of the helmet while making tackles.

1) On L Jones long run play, he got lit up at the line of scrimmage. Kept his balance and made a long gain, all while trying to adjust his helmet. Replay clearly shows the CB coming down the LOS and leads with the crown and clearly hits Jones in the head. It was audibly, clearly a helmet to helmet whack!

2) Very next play, our receiver is in the left flat being spun around by the initial defender when he gets walloped with the crown of the helmet hit.

3) J Allyenes punt return on the sac sideline that knocked him out of the game. Crown of the helmet hit.

What am I missing, other than we know BSC referees suck whale sh!t?
#3 The hit against Alleyne too was also out of bounds, but I didn't have the best angle. Not nearly as close as the Ref on that side. What I did see is the Sac St player fly in, right as/after the whistle with his head lowered. This play didn't cost us the game but, it warranted a penalty.



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