Will they stay or will they go...PART 2
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Will they stay or will they go...PART 2
I was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
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Coach has proven he is honest and straight forward. Everyone on the team knows exactly where they stand.
I'm guessing he is telling the QB's on the team that they have a chance, if they keep improving, to be the starter. Every position is open to competition, and the best player will start.
I'm curious how many QB's he wants to start spring ball with.
I'm guessing he is telling the QB's on the team that they have a chance, if they keep improving, to be the starter. Every position is open to competition, and the best player will start.
I'm curious how many QB's he wants to start spring ball with.
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Rovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
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Actually I'm not a Rovig guy per se. I am a balanced QB guy, and Rovig was that option with both Murray and Andersen playing QB. I have always felt that our offence would have been a better offense with him, or any other QB ready to distribute the ball were put in.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Casey put into the NDSU game in the final 10 minutes just to give him some experience.
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First, Choate didn't recruit Murray. Second, he didn't recruit Troy as a QB.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
If Bauman/Beltran/Rovig are going to bolt after this comment, then I think they already had a foot out the door.
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Maybe, and I get his philosophy of, "my job is to replace you..."!onceacat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:43 pmFirst, Choate didn't recruit Murray. Second, he didn't recruit Troy as a QB.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
If Bauman/Beltran/Rovig are going to bolt after this comment, then I think they already had a foot out the door.
But being willing to develop also entails some level of "if I produce then I'll play" from a player/coach side. The only guy who has to date been on the field is Rovig and his 2 starts would indicate he has the skills and the aptitude to be our "next guy". But, if the idea is planted that "I'm on to the next guy, who isn't even here yet..." then I think it can be problematic. Just my thoughts.
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Reminds me of the McQueary situation. Would he have stuck around if Ash had given him a chance in that Cat/Griz debacle? Wouldn't have hurt. I probably would have left in that situation too.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:06 pmMaybe, and I get his philosophy of, "my job is to replace you..."!onceacat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:43 pmFirst, Choate didn't recruit Murray. Second, he didn't recruit Troy as a QB.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
If Bauman/Beltran/Rovig are going to bolt after this comment, then I think they already had a foot out the door.
But being willing to develop also entails some level of "if I produce then I'll play" from a player/coach side. The only guy who has to date been on the field is Rovig and his 2 starts would indicate he has the skills and the aptitude to be our "next guy". But, if the idea is planted that "I'm on to the next guy, who isn't even here yet..." then I think it can be problematic. Just my thoughts.
Now you've got 3 QBs who look to be studs as either Freshmen or Sophomores. Say Gresh or Modster comes here & wins the job. Does Rovig stick around knowing he'll only get 1 year to start (barring injury, of course) AND knowing that he's got Bauman competing too? Same deal with Bauman & Beltran...although each of them would potentially have 2 years if they got beat out.
The calculus on that is totally different for every kid. McQueary got to light it up at Tech as an all time Frontier great...Jordan Hoy bounced around and started something like 5 D1 games. Depends a lot on how much you want to be the man, what value you place on your education, how much you like being on this particular team, how much you like Bozeman, how much you miss your mom...
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That's not a game you put that kid in. Wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team, or him.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:41 pmActually I'm not a Rovig guy per se. I am a balanced QB guy, and Rovig was that option with both Murray and Andersen playing QB. I have always felt that our offence would have been a better offense with him, or any other QB ready to distribute the ball were put in.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Casey put into the NDSU game in the final 10 minutes just to give him some experience.
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In spite of my comment questioning your sanity in the game thread with about those 10 minutes left in the game I too would have welcomed seeing Casey play. I threw in the towel on the idea sometime ago.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:41 pmActually I'm not a Rovig guy per se. I am a balanced QB guy, and Rovig was that option with both Murray and Andersen playing QB. I have always felt that our offence would have been a better offense with him, or any other QB ready to distribute the ball were put in.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Casey put into the NDSU game in the final 10 minutes just to give him some experience.
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Maybe not NDSU, but I see no reason that he couldn't have played the last few minutes of the Inc. Word game. I think 2-3 minutes in a playoff game goes a long way to cementing loyalty. What are we telling the kid by not playing him ? - you're not good enough to hand the ball of to a running back when we are ahead by 21 points.Joe Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 pmIn spite of my comment questioning your sanity in the game thread with about those 10 minutes left in the game I too would have welcomed seeing Casey play. I threw in the towel on the idea sometime ago.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:41 pmActually I'm not a Rovig guy per se. I am a balanced QB guy, and Rovig was that option with both Murray and Andersen playing QB. I have always felt that our offence would have been a better offense with him, or any other QB ready to distribute the ball were put in.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Casey put into the NDSU game in the final 10 minutes just to give him some experience.
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Or your saying that you are a true freshmen who would actually be 3rd string if it hadn’t been for injuries. If anyone wants to start at QB they’ll have to earn it. Letting them taste something that they haven’t earned is a bad message to send the rest of the team.catscat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:49 pmMaybe not NDSU, but I see no reason that he couldn't have played the last few minutes of the Inc. Word game. I think 2-3 minutes in a playoff game goes a long way to cementing loyalty. What are we telling the kid by not playing him ? - you're not good enough to hand the ball of to a running back when we are ahead by 21 points.Joe Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 pmIn spite of my comment questioning your sanity in the game thread with about those 10 minutes left in the game I too would have welcomed seeing Casey play. I threw in the towel on the idea sometime ago.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:41 pmActually I'm not a Rovig guy per se. I am a balanced QB guy, and Rovig was that option with both Murray and Andersen playing QB. I have always felt that our offence would have been a better offense with him, or any other QB ready to distribute the ball were put in.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Casey put into the NDSU game in the final 10 minutes just to give him some experience.
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Choate didn’t have to honor Murray’s commitment. So, yes, he is a Choate recruit. Also, Murray may very well have decided to re-open his recruitment after Ash was fired. No one knows. Neither Bauman, Beltran nor Rovig has played enough to determine if Choate can recruit quarterbacks or not based on them. So IF they’re butt hurt about that comment (and they’re almost certainly not) it would reflect poorly on their psyches.onceacat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:43 pmFirst, Choate didn't recruit Murray. Second, he didn't recruit Troy as a QB.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
If Bauman/Beltran/Rovig are going to bolt after this comment, then I think they already had a foot out the door.
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We shall see, I find this whole thing somewhat fascinating and nothing would surprise me with this issue. We certainly have a lot of bodies potentially in that room in a couple of months. I doubt all stay.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:51 amChoate didn’t have to honor Murray’s commitment. So, yes, he is a Choate recruit. Also, Murray may very well have decided to re-open his recruitment after Ash was fired. No one knows. Neither Bauman, Beltran nor Rovig has played enough to determine if Choate can recruit quarterbacks or not based on them. So IF they’re butt hurt about that comment (and they’re almost certainly not) it would reflect poorly on their psyches.onceacat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:43 pmFirst, Choate didn't recruit Murray. Second, he didn't recruit Troy as a QB.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
If Bauman/Beltran/Rovig are going to bolt after this comment, then I think they already had a foot out the door.
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Re: Will they stay or will they go...PART 2
Nope that's not what I'm saying. No where did I come even close to saying Bauman should start anything - not even a snowblower. I guess you think that if you haven't "earned" the right to start, then you don't deserve 2 to 3 minutes of mop up time in a game that's put away. By your logic, half the team that played this year shouldn't have been able to play any time at all because they hadn't "earned" the right to be the starter at their position. I think by being on the sideline all season and potentially a main backup for at least half of it, he "earned" two to three minutes of playing time.utucats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:35 amOr your saying that you are a true freshmen who would actually be 3rd string if it hadn’t been for injuries. If anyone wants to start at QB they’ll have to earn it. Letting them taste something that they haven’t earned is a bad message to send the rest of the team.catscat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:49 pmMaybe not NDSU, but I see no reason that he couldn't have played the last few minutes of the Inc. Word game. I think 2-3 minutes in a playoff game goes a long way to cementing loyalty. What are we telling the kid by not playing him ? - you're not good enough to hand the ball of to a running back when we are ahead by 21 points.Joe Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 pmIn spite of my comment questioning your sanity in the game thread with about those 10 minutes left in the game I too would have welcomed seeing Casey play. I threw in the towel on the idea sometime ago.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:41 pmActually I'm not a Rovig guy per se. I am a balanced QB guy, and Rovig was that option with both Murray and Andersen playing QB. I have always felt that our offence would have been a better offense with him, or any other QB ready to distribute the ball were put in.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Casey put into the NDSU game in the final 10 minutes just to give him some experience.
Can't make up my mind as to which is better - 55-21 or 48-14.
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Re: Will they stay or will they go...PART 2
I think everyone is missing an important detail. If you put Bauman in the game and he is even average than I believe you have a higher likelihood of losing Rovig in the offseason. As it stands Rovig has the leg up because of an extra year and game experience while the true freshman has to “earn it”. I think Choate did exactly what needed to be done to create competition and have the best chance of keeping everyone around for another yearcatscat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:43 amNope that's not what I'm saying. No where did I come even close to saying Bauman should start anything - not even a snowblower. I guess you think that if you haven't "earned" the right to start, then you don't deserve 2 to 3 minutes of mop up time in a game that's put away. By your logic, half the team that played this year shouldn't have been able to play any time at all because they hadn't "earned" the right to be the starter at their position. I think by being on the sideline all season and potentially a main backup for at least half of it, he "earned" two to three minutes of playing time.utucats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:35 amOr your saying that you are a true freshmen who would actually be 3rd string if it hadn’t been for injuries. If anyone wants to start at QB they’ll have to earn it. Letting them taste something that they haven’t earned is a bad message to send the rest of the team.catscat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:49 pmMaybe not NDSU, but I see no reason that he couldn't have played the last few minutes of the Inc. Word game. I think 2-3 minutes in a playoff game goes a long way to cementing loyalty. What are we telling the kid by not playing him ? - you're not good enough to hand the ball of to a running back when we are ahead by 21 points.Joe Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 pmIn spite of my comment questioning your sanity in the game thread with about those 10 minutes left in the game I too would have welcomed seeing Casey play. I threw in the towel on the idea sometime ago.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:41 pmActually I'm not a Rovig guy per se. I am a balanced QB guy, and Rovig was that option with both Murray and Andersen playing QB. I have always felt that our offence would have been a better offense with him, or any other QB ready to distribute the ball were put in.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Casey put into the NDSU game in the final 10 minutes just to give him some experience.
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Re: Will they stay or will they go...PART 2
Considering the fact that Rovig was going to become our starting QB before he broke his foot, that might very well be why nobody was played! Good point!catgrad05 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:48 amI think everyone is missing an important detail. If you put Bauman in the game and he is even average than I believe you have a higher likelihood of losing Rovig in the offseason. As it stands Rovig has the leg up because of an extra year and game experience while the true freshman has to “earn it”. I think Choate did exactly what needed to be done to create competition and have the best chance of keeping everyone around for another yearcatscat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:43 amNope that's not what I'm saying. No where did I come even close to saying Bauman should start anything - not even a snowblower. I guess you think that if you haven't "earned" the right to start, then you don't deserve 2 to 3 minutes of mop up time in a game that's put away. By your logic, half the team that played this year shouldn't have been able to play any time at all because they hadn't "earned" the right to be the starter at their position. I think by being on the sideline all season and potentially a main backup for at least half of it, he "earned" two to three minutes of playing time.utucats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:35 amOr your saying that you are a true freshmen who would actually be 3rd string if it hadn’t been for injuries. If anyone wants to start at QB they’ll have to earn it. Letting them taste something that they haven’t earned is a bad message to send the rest of the team.catscat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:49 pmMaybe not NDSU, but I see no reason that he couldn't have played the last few minutes of the Inc. Word game. I think 2-3 minutes in a playoff game goes a long way to cementing loyalty. What are we telling the kid by not playing him ? - you're not good enough to hand the ball of to a running back when we are ahead by 21 points.Joe Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 pmIn spite of my comment questioning your sanity in the game thread with about those 10 minutes left in the game I too would have welcomed seeing Casey play. I threw in the towel on the idea sometime ago.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:41 pmActually I'm not a Rovig guy per se. I am a balanced QB guy, and Rovig was that option with both Murray and Andersen playing QB. I have always felt that our offence would have been a better offense with him, or any other QB ready to distribute the ball were put in.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Casey put into the NDSU game in the final 10 minutes just to give him some experience.
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Or, Rovig says, "Hey, if I weren't hurt that would be me out there playing in a playoff game." I would hope Rovig is not so thin skinned that he'd think Bauman had somehow jumped him in the depth chart just because Bauman played for two or three minutes of mop up time. I'm sure all of the QB hopefuls recognize that they will have to compete with each other, Andersen, and anyone else recruited to play QB, if they want to start next year. I think many of us would agree that the more game time reps backups get, the better for their overall development and this seems to be the case on our team for every position but QB.catgrad05 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:48 amI think everyone is missing an important detail. If you put Bauman in the game and he is even average than I believe you have a higher likelihood of losing Rovig in the offseason. As it stands Rovig has the leg up because of an extra year and game experience while the true freshman has to “earn it”. I think Choate did exactly what needed to be done to create competition and have the best chance of keeping everyone around for another yearcatscat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:43 amNope that's not what I'm saying. No where did I come even close to saying Bauman should start anything - not even a snowblower. I guess you think that if you haven't "earned" the right to start, then you don't deserve 2 to 3 minutes of mop up time in a game that's put away. By your logic, half the team that played this year shouldn't have been able to play any time at all because they hadn't "earned" the right to be the starter at their position. I think by being on the sideline all season and potentially a main backup for at least half of it, he "earned" two to three minutes of playing time.utucats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:35 amOr your saying that you are a true freshmen who would actually be 3rd string if it hadn’t been for injuries. If anyone wants to start at QB they’ll have to earn it. Letting them taste something that they haven’t earned is a bad message to send the rest of the team.catscat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:49 pmMaybe not NDSU, but I see no reason that he couldn't have played the last few minutes of the Inc. Word game. I think 2-3 minutes in a playoff game goes a long way to cementing loyalty. What are we telling the kid by not playing him ? - you're not good enough to hand the ball of to a running back when we are ahead by 21 points.Joe Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 pmIn spite of my comment questioning your sanity in the game thread with about those 10 minutes left in the game I too would have welcomed seeing Casey play. I threw in the towel on the idea sometime ago.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:41 pmActually I'm not a Rovig guy per se. I am a balanced QB guy, and Rovig was that option with both Murray and Andersen playing QB. I have always felt that our offence would have been a better offense with him, or any other QB ready to distribute the ball were put in.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Casey put into the NDSU game in the final 10 minutes just to give him some experience.
Can't make up my mind as to which is better - 55-21 or 48-14.
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Re: Will they stay or will they go...PART 2
If playing CB for a few minutes would shake up TR enough that he would fall off the tree then he would obviously be too fragile of a leaf for a team that is headed where we are to want on the tree.
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Re: Will they stay or will they go...PART 2
Well I know for a fact that Coach Choate recruited Chris. He was pretty excited about him when he came here on his official visit.onceacat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:43 pmFirst, Choate didn't recruit Murray. Second, he didn't recruit Troy as a QB.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:32 pmRovig, Bauman and Beltre all fit into the unknown answer regarding Choate’s ability to recruit a QB. So none of them should be bothered by what he said. If anyone should be bothered it’s Andersen and to a greater extent Murray. But I know you’re a Rovig guy, so what Choate said probably got your goat.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 pmI was listening to Colter on his ESPN show the other day and he mentioned a comment Coach Choate made when asked the question:
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I found that fascinating on several levels.
First: if anyone thinks Coach is all about playing Troy at QB next year...you're not listening. The ONLY reason he would play there is IF everyone else has broken feet!
Second: and this is where it gets interesting, how do the other QB's sitting in the room hear that?
What does Rovig think? Bauman, Beltran? How does the Coaches comment set with them? If I am hearing him talk like that as a QB waiting to get onto the field, I am not sure if it doesn't set some of them, one them on edge and they head out for greener pastures.
I like Choate's frankness when asked questions, but that may not have been a wise response unless you truly believe you have not YET got the QB in your room that you want. It's likely someone bolts.
If Bauman/Beltran/Rovig are going to bolt after this comment, then I think they already had a foot out the door.