Hi-Line Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:28 pmIf Rovig is still here next year I would be shocked.
This tweet seems to indicate otherwise, unless you think he will be asked to leave because he's not good enough.
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Hi-Line Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:28 pmIf Rovig is still here next year I would be shocked.
You need a good QB in each class. What do we have? Potentially. Jensen/Modster-Junior; Rovig-Sophmore; Bauman/Beltran-Freshman; A couple of HS recruits coming in as Redshirts. Not a bad situation so I think Rovig stays and I hope TA is done playing QB except for a little wildcat now and then.Hi-Line Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:24 pmAgain I will be shocked if he is here come fall. Andersen and Buaman are better right now than Tucker, and Jensen is better than both Troy and Casey, so kind of.
Andersen isn't playing QB again.Hi-Line Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:24 pmAgain I will be shocked if he is here come fall. Andersen and Buaman are better right now than Tucker, and Jensen is better than both Troy and Casey, so kind of.
Never said he was. I said he and bauman are better than Rovig and when they bring a QB in he really will be on the outside looking in.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:32 pmAndersen isn't playing QB again.Hi-Line Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:24 pmAgain I will be shocked if he is here come fall. Andersen and Buaman are better right now than Tucker, and Jensen is better than both Troy and Casey, so kind of.
And how do you know this? Honest question? Rovig has at least 1 full game that he played well in. What have you seen Bauman do that gives you the impression he's already better? Andersen is a better leader but I wouldn't say better QB. They were looking to swap them until Rovig's injury.Hi-Line Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:43 pmNever said he was. I said he and bauman are better than Rovig and when they bring a QB in he really will be on the outside looking in.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:32 pmAndersen isn't playing QB again.Hi-Line Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:24 pmAgain I will be shocked if he is here come fall. Andersen and Buaman are better right now than Tucker, and Jensen is better than both Troy and Casey, so kind of.
If he steps up, he's got the tools. I guess we'll find out at spring ball. If we have a number 1 QB coming out of spring ball, I'm going to feel really good about next season.Long Time Cat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:19 pmHi-Line Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:28 pmIf Rovig is still here next year I would be shocked.
This tweet seems to indicate otherwise, unless you think he will be asked to leave because he's not good enough.
I like Rovig. He can win the job. If Jensen comes in I think he is the favorite. Rovig may leave then, but he can play successfully at this level IMO.Hi-Line Bobcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:28 pmIf Rovig is still here next year I would be shocked.
While I absolutely concur with the general point you are making, the OP was about how people potentially could be processing this from Coach.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:50 pmNot saying anything about any guys in particular but the whole "I'm not the starter as a freshman or sophomore I'm leaving" thing is such garbage to me. It's an epidemic in athletics these days and frankly it's pathetic. Stick around, work your a**off and win the job. Nobody knows when a guy may go down, be out because of grades, or underperform and the next man is up. If any of our current QBs leave because they don't win the job, then they weren't meant to be in this program anyway.
That’s all fine and I guess I agree to a point but then we should hold the coaches to the same standard. If they’re allowed to move on and better their situation the wby shouldn’t the kids be able to do the same thing? Just seems to be a huge double standard when this topic comes up.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:50 pmNot saying anything about any guys in particular but the whole "I'm not the starter as a freshman or sophomore I'm leaving" thing is such garbage to me. It's an epidemic in athletics these days and frankly it's pathetic. Stick around, work your a**off and win the job. Nobody knows when a guy may go down, be out because of grades, or underperform and the next man is up. If any of our current QBs leave because they don't win the job, then they weren't meant to be in this program anyway.
Oh I agree my post wasn't really about the OP, more the will they stay or go in general, regardless of how things shake out. I've always taken issue with guys transfering for nothing more than playing time. I'm sure we have benefited from those transfers, I'm just not a fan.catsrback76 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:51 pmWhile I absolutely concur with the general point you are making, the OP was about how people potentially could be processing this from Coach.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:50 pmNot saying anything about any guys in particular but the whole "I'm not the starter as a freshman or sophomore I'm leaving" thing is such garbage to me. It's an epidemic in athletics these days and frankly it's pathetic. Stick around, work your a**off and win the job. Nobody knows when a guy may go down, be out because of grades, or underperform and the next man is up. If any of our current QBs leave because they don't win the job, then they weren't meant to be in this program anyway.
"What is the single greatest need you have that will get your program to the next level?" or, something to that effect.
According to Colter, who can confirm this, his answer was, "My ability to recruit a QB".
I don't think this has anything to do with entitled attitudes held by incoming freshmen per se, but more to do with the perception of a reality that may or may not exist in the Coach's mind regarding who is currently in the room!
Epidemic might have been an exaggeration yes. However the transfer rates are up since the early 2000s. I read an article that said 40 percent of D1 student athletes transfer by the end of sophomore year from their 1st school. Obviously that's not all athletes who are unhappy with playing time etc. But that's a huge number.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:08 pmThat’s all fine and I guess I agree to a point but then we should hold the coaches to the same standard. If they’re allowed to move on and better their situation the wby shouldn’t the kids be able to do the same thing? Just seems to be a huge double standard when this topic comes up.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:50 pmNot saying anything about any guys in particular but the whole "I'm not the starter as a freshman or sophomore I'm leaving" thing is such garbage to me. It's an epidemic in athletics these days and frankly it's pathetic. Stick around, work your a**off and win the job. Nobody knows when a guy may go down, be out because of grades, or underperform and the next man is up. If any of our current QBs leave because they don't win the job, then they weren't meant to be in this program anyway.
And I disagree it’s an “epidemic these days” as kids have been transferring from one school to another forever.
I respect your opinion. We just fundamentally disagree on this topic. Because don't even get me started on athletes, opportunities and "free" education! I don't think kids are comphenstated NEARLY enough in terms of the money they bring to their schools and like you mentioned...their coaches. But that is a topic for another day.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:34 pmEpidemic might have been an exaggeration yes. However the transfer rates are up since the early 2000s. I read an article that said 40 percent of D1 student athletes transfer by the end of sophomore year from their 1st school. Obviously that's not all athletes who are unhappy with playing time etc. But that's a huge number.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:08 pmThat’s all fine and I guess I agree to a point but then we should hold the coaches to the same standard. If they’re allowed to move on and better their situation the wby shouldn’t the kids be able to do the same thing? Just seems to be a huge double standard when this topic comes up.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:50 pmNot saying anything about any guys in particular but the whole "I'm not the starter as a freshman or sophomore I'm leaving" thing is such garbage to me. It's an epidemic in athletics these days and frankly it's pathetic. Stick around, work your a**off and win the job. Nobody knows when a guy may go down, be out because of grades, or underperform and the next man is up. If any of our current QBs leave because they don't win the job, then they weren't meant to be in this program anyway.
And I disagree it’s an “epidemic these days” as kids have been transferring from one school to another forever.
And I disagree that coaches should be held to the same standard. Coaching is their profession. Hundreds of thousand, sometimes millions of dollars are being paid to them to do a job. The young men playing for them, playing for the school, are being given the opportunity to play a sport and get an education, sometimes for free.
Fair enough that we agree to disagree. My issue is more with a guy like Kelly Bryant, than a guy who graduates, wants to play for someone bigger and better and leaves for a year. Or a guy that just doesn't fit the team culture, or the school isn't right for him etc. And I also agree with you that players should be getting compensated more for the revenue they bring to the school. I was just saying they are still at least getting an education a lot of times that is free, where as regular Joe may be paying 40 or 50 grand for that education.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:04 pmI respect your opinion. We just fundamentally disagree on this topic. Because don't even get me started on athletes, opportunities and "free" education! I don't think kids are comphenstated NEARLY enough in terms of the money they bring to their schools and like you mentioned...their coaches. But that is a topic for another day.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:34 pmEpidemic might have been an exaggeration yes. However the transfer rates are up since the early 2000s. I read an article that said 40 percent of D1 student athletes transfer by the end of sophomore year from their 1st school. Obviously that's not all athletes who are unhappy with playing time etc. But that's a huge number.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:08 pmThat’s all fine and I guess I agree to a point but then we should hold the coaches to the same standard. If they’re allowed to move on and better their situation the wby shouldn’t the kids be able to do the same thing? Just seems to be a huge double standard when this topic comes up.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:50 pmNot saying anything about any guys in particular but the whole "I'm not the starter as a freshman or sophomore I'm leaving" thing is such garbage to me. It's an epidemic in athletics these days and frankly it's pathetic. Stick around, work your a**off and win the job. Nobody knows when a guy may go down, be out because of grades, or underperform and the next man is up. If any of our current QBs leave because they don't win the job, then they weren't meant to be in this program anyway.
And I disagree it’s an “epidemic these days” as kids have been transferring from one school to another forever.
And I disagree that coaches should be held to the same standard. Coaching is their profession. Hundreds of thousand, sometimes millions of dollars are being paid to them to do a job. The young men playing for them, playing for the school, are being given the opportunity to play a sport and get an education, sometimes for free.
While the differences beyween coaches and players is obvious, in regards to this topic I think they should be viewed the same. Commitment is commitment. In a perfect world every coach who signed a contract would fulfill it. Every player who committed to a school would honor it. But that is very simplistic. Coaches are always going to do what in the long run is best for themselves, their families and their careers. There is not a person on this board who wouldn't leave their job today in an opportunity presented itself that was a much better fit with more opportunity.
Just because I'm a fan of a team doesn't mean these kids need to be held to some kind of higher moral standard than anyone else. I don't care if it's my favorite kid who's ever suited up for the cats; if he thinks he has more opportunities somewhere else, who am I to say he's wrong?
Like I said I understand your opinion. But fundamentally we couldn't be farther away from each other on this topic.
See and I think guys like Bryant are a perfect example of what kids should do to allow a better opportunity!BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:23 pmFair enough that we agree to disagree. My issue is more with a guy like Kelly Bryant, than a guy who graduates, wants to play for someone bigger and better and leaves for a year. Or a guy that just doesn't fit the team culture, or the school isn't right for him etc. And I also agree with you that players should be getting compensated more for the revenue they bring to the school. I was just saying they are still at least getting an education a lot of times that is free, where as regular Joe may be paying 40 or 50 grand for that education.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:04 pmI respect your opinion. We just fundamentally disagree on this topic. Because don't even get me started on athletes, opportunities and "free" education! I don't think kids are comphenstated NEARLY enough in terms of the money they bring to their schools and like you mentioned...their coaches. But that is a topic for another day.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:34 pmEpidemic might have been an exaggeration yes. However the transfer rates are up since the early 2000s. I read an article that said 40 percent of D1 student athletes transfer by the end of sophomore year from their 1st school. Obviously that's not all athletes who are unhappy with playing time etc. But that's a huge number.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:08 pmThat’s all fine and I guess I agree to a point but then we should hold the coaches to the same standard. If they’re allowed to move on and better their situation the wby shouldn’t the kids be able to do the same thing? Just seems to be a huge double standard when this topic comes up.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:50 pmNot saying anything about any guys in particular but the whole "I'm not the starter as a freshman or sophomore I'm leaving" thing is such garbage to me. It's an epidemic in athletics these days and frankly it's pathetic. Stick around, work your a**off and win the job. Nobody knows when a guy may go down, be out because of grades, or underperform and the next man is up. If any of our current QBs leave because they don't win the job, then they weren't meant to be in this program anyway.
And I disagree it’s an “epidemic these days” as kids have been transferring from one school to another forever.
And I disagree that coaches should be held to the same standard. Coaching is their profession. Hundreds of thousand, sometimes millions of dollars are being paid to them to do a job. The young men playing for them, playing for the school, are being given the opportunity to play a sport and get an education, sometimes for free.
While the differences beyween coaches and players is obvious, in regards to this topic I think they should be viewed the same. Commitment is commitment. In a perfect world every coach who signed a contract would fulfill it. Every player who committed to a school would honor it. But that is very simplistic. Coaches are always going to do what in the long run is best for themselves, their families and their careers. There is not a person on this board who wouldn't leave their job today in an opportunity presented itself that was a much better fit with more opportunity.
Just because I'm a fan of a team doesn't mean these kids need to be held to some kind of higher moral standard than anyone else. I don't care if it's my favorite kid who's ever suited up for the cats; if he thinks he has more opportunities somewhere else, who am I to say he's wrong?
Like I said I understand your opinion. But fundamentally we couldn't be farther away from each other on this topic.