Ya cuz it's statistically impossible for the same team to have uncalled holding penalties 2 games in a row...
It's science.
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Ya cuz it's statistically impossible for the same team to have uncalled holding penalties 2 games in a row...
What really bothered me was that we did the EXACT same thing on the two previous Idaho punts but there was no flag. It looked like the ref was just waiting for the blocked punt to occur so he could throw the flag. We have heard about the egos of MLB umps taking control and dictating the course of the game. Maybe similar situation given the history of this crew???84CatGrad wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:48 pmRegarding the penalty on the blocked punt:
NEW RULE 8:
Rule 9-1-11-c
Leaping
ARTICLE 11. c. It is a foul if a defensive player who is inside the tackle box tries to block a punt by leaving his feet in an attempt to leap over the frame of the body of an opponent.
This is exactly what happened when our player tried to leap over the shield of blockers in front of the punter. Choate said at his press conference he knew it was a penalty immediately.
This crew and the crew for the Eastern game are the ones I really groan about as soon as I see them. It's not just about the poor officiating either. Neither crew seems confident, and the referee seems lost when making his calls.Cataholic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:28 pmWhat really bothered me was that we did the EXACT same thing on the two previous Idaho punts but there was no flag. It looked like the ref was just waiting for the blocked punt to occur so he could throw the flag. We have heard about the egos of MLB umps taking control and dictating the course of the game. Maybe similar situation given the history of this crew???84CatGrad wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:48 pmRegarding the penalty on the blocked punt:
NEW RULE 8:
Rule 9-1-11-c
Leaping
ARTICLE 11. c. It is a foul if a defensive player who is inside the tackle box tries to block a punt by leaving his feet in an attempt to leap over the frame of the body of an opponent.
This is exactly what happened when our player tried to leap over the shield of blockers in front of the punter. Choate said at his press conference he knew it was a penalty immediately.
I thought the previous punts, he jumped in the air. The penalty was when he launched himself over them.Cataholic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:28 pmWhat really bothered me was that we did the EXACT same thing on the two previous Idaho punts but there was no flag. It looked like the ref was just waiting for the blocked punt to occur so he could throw the flag. We have heard about the egos of MLB umps taking control and dictating the course of the game. Maybe similar situation given the history of this crew???84CatGrad wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:48 pmRegarding the penalty on the blocked punt:
NEW RULE 8:
Rule 9-1-11-c
Leaping
ARTICLE 11. c. It is a foul if a defensive player who is inside the tackle box tries to block a punt by leaving his feet in an attempt to leap over the frame of the body of an opponent.
This is exactly what happened when our player tried to leap over the shield of blockers in front of the punter. Choate said at his press conference he knew it was a penalty immediately.
No, fella, nobody's saying we got picked on. I never think a bsc crew is trying to screw someone, because they're not good enough to pull it off. We're saying that crew is s$@& at officiating football games. It was brutal, specifically the whitehat. Idaho probably has as many complaints as we do. I can think of 3 their way right off the top of my head. They didn't often know what they were calling after they threw the flag, and called at least 1 with no flag. Silly, amateur job.
Its probably one of the biggest impacts to our defense as they neutralize out biggest asset in our DLine. We have penetration from someone on nearly every play and they can't capitalize. I know sometimes they take bad angles and miss the play but how much of that is them trying to avoid being held?
You have to imagine that the post goes up infinitely. If it had, it seemed pretty clear on TV that it would have hit the post. That's why there's always a referee standing right under the post--he's the only one in the place with a perfect view. Even the holder, who is looking right down the line of the kick, can't tell exactly where it crosses the post.
Exactly. I was going to post this same thing. It happened 2 other times before that as well. Which also leads me back to coaching if coach Choate said he knew that was a foul when it happened. It obviously looks like they are letting the players or coaching them to do that?Cataholic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:28 pmWhat really bothered me was that we did the EXACT same thing on the two previous Idaho punts but there was no flag. It looked like the ref was just waiting for the blocked punt to occur so he could throw the flag. We have heard about the egos of MLB umps taking control and dictating the course of the game. Maybe similar situation given the history of this crew???84CatGrad wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:48 pmRegarding the penalty on the blocked punt:
NEW RULE 8:
Rule 9-1-11-c
Leaping
ARTICLE 11. c. It is a foul if a defensive player who is inside the tackle box tries to block a punt by leaving his feet in an attempt to leap over the frame of the body of an opponent.
This is exactly what happened when our player tried to leap over the shield of blockers in front of the punter. Choate said at his press conference he knew it was a penalty immediately.
Did you listen to his post game? He said then the kid knew it and appoligized. To me that would be a small hint that it might have been coachedCARDIAC_CATS wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:29 amExactly. I was going to post this same thing. It happened 2 other times before that as well. Which also leads me back to coaching if coach Choate said he knew that was a foul when it happened. It obviously looks like they are letting the players or coaching them to do that?Cataholic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:28 pmWhat really bothered me was that we did the EXACT same thing on the two previous Idaho punts but there was no flag. It looked like the ref was just waiting for the blocked punt to occur so he could throw the flag. We have heard about the egos of MLB umps taking control and dictating the course of the game. Maybe similar situation given the history of this crew???84CatGrad wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:48 pmRegarding the penalty on the blocked punt:
NEW RULE 8:
Rule 9-1-11-c
Leaping
ARTICLE 11. c. It is a foul if a defensive player who is inside the tackle box tries to block a punt by leaving his feet in an attempt to leap over the frame of the body of an opponent.
This is exactly what happened when our player tried to leap over the shield of blockers in front of the punter. Choate said at his press conference he knew it was a penalty immediately.
No I missed the post game. Either way it shouldn't happen 2-3 times in a game if it is a penalty (maybe they were told and the kid was just hyped up to make a play). That was a huge first down for them though. I guess we shouldn't see it anymore going forward.allcat wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:08 pmDid you listen to his post game? He said then the kid knew it and appoligized. To me that would be a small hint that it might have been coachedCARDIAC_CATS wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:29 amExactly. I was going to post this same thing. It happened 2 other times before that as well. Which also leads me back to coaching if coach Choate said he knew that was a foul when it happened. It obviously looks like they are letting the players or coaching them to do that?Cataholic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:28 pmWhat really bothered me was that we did the EXACT same thing on the two previous Idaho punts but there was no flag. It looked like the ref was just waiting for the blocked punt to occur so he could throw the flag. We have heard about the egos of MLB umps taking control and dictating the course of the game. Maybe similar situation given the history of this crew???84CatGrad wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:48 pmRegarding the penalty on the blocked punt:
NEW RULE 8:
Rule 9-1-11-c
Leaping
ARTICLE 11. c. It is a foul if a defensive player who is inside the tackle box tries to block a punt by leaving his feet in an attempt to leap over the frame of the body of an opponent.
This is exactly what happened when our player tried to leap over the shield of blockers in front of the punter. Choate said at his press conference he knew it was a penalty immediately.
That's not true. By the end of the second quarter we were penalized 7 times compared to UI being flagged 1 time. It was way skewed in favor of the Vandals.
Wow. And it went about that same way in the EWU game, but the refs evened it out late in the game when it was already over.
Who are you going to replace them with? Nearly every state is dealing with a major shortage of officials as no one wants to put up with the crazy crap they get from coaches, parents, players, etc. Sadly the pool of people willing/wanting to officiate is shrinking fast.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:54 pmWhy is the Conference okay with this sub par officiating???
Every team and fanbase has been complaining about these morons for the last 15 years..... it is a fricking joke.
7-1 is skewed? 6-2? 5-3? At what point is it fair? A penalty is a penalty. Anybody that thinks comparing the number of penalties each team has is a good way to judge referee bias or incompetence is just looking for a reason to bash the officials.
You have a point that penalties are penalties. However, they do tend to even out a bit (even tho 1 team will usually have more than the other). 7 to 1 is pretty lopsided.84CatGrad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:51 pm7-1 is skewed? 6-2? 5-3? At what point is it fair? A penalty is a penalty. Anybody that thinks comparing the number of penalties each team has is a good way to judge referee bias or incompetence is just looking for a reason to bash the officials.