Chris Murray
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Chris Murray
Curious what everyone thinks of how Murray is (or is not) progressing. Personally I am not sure what to think of him.
-Had a 2 game stretch beginning of the season where he looked like the next Denarius McGhee... since then his passing game has been pretty non-existent.
-Is it the coaches fault with game plans and play calling??? Personally I wish they would call more passing plays, it should be closer to 50-50 run/pass. Hard to get in a rhythm passing, when you only do it once every 15 downs. (same thing with the WR's)
During that 2 game stretch early in the season, the offense just looked totally different, it seemed like they were way more open to passing... not sure whats going on now, but when you run it every single down it will get easier and easier for defenses to plan against.
Also, one of Murrays best talents is being able to scramble around, buy time, and then make the pass (what Mcghee used to do)... Again, I feel like they are not taking advantage of his athletic ability to create plays passing...
Not sure what to think at this point? I feel like he could/should be putting up way more passing yards/numbers, but for some reason the gameplan just wants to run it every single play....
-Had a 2 game stretch beginning of the season where he looked like the next Denarius McGhee... since then his passing game has been pretty non-existent.
-Is it the coaches fault with game plans and play calling??? Personally I wish they would call more passing plays, it should be closer to 50-50 run/pass. Hard to get in a rhythm passing, when you only do it once every 15 downs. (same thing with the WR's)
During that 2 game stretch early in the season, the offense just looked totally different, it seemed like they were way more open to passing... not sure whats going on now, but when you run it every single down it will get easier and easier for defenses to plan against.
Also, one of Murrays best talents is being able to scramble around, buy time, and then make the pass (what Mcghee used to do)... Again, I feel like they are not taking advantage of his athletic ability to create plays passing...
Not sure what to think at this point? I feel like he could/should be putting up way more passing yards/numbers, but for some reason the gameplan just wants to run it every single play....
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Re: Chris Murray
I wonder if the coaches are looking at his completion % and that's what's pushing them to lean on run plays. If this is the case I think they're setting him up to fail in the passing game. If you rarely throw you won't get better, won't get in a rhythm and WR drops will be even more demoralizing. The run game seems strong enough at this point to throw more even if there are more incompletions. Since our changes of making the playoffs are slim, rather than focusing on what you're good at, focus on development.
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Re: Chris Murray
I think it's probably a combination of all of those things. The bottom line is that Murray needs to be better with his decision making.mslacatfan wrote:Curious what everyone thinks of how Murray is (or is not) progressing. Personally I am not sure what to think of him.
-Had a 2 game stretch beginning of the season where he looked like the next Denarius McGhee... since then his passing game has been pretty non-existent.
-Is it the coaches fault with game plans and play calling??? Personally I wish they would call more passing plays, it should be closer to 50-50 run/pass. Hard to get in a rhythm passing, when you only do it once every 15 downs. (same thing with the WR's)
During that 2 game stretch early in the season, the offense just looked totally different, it seemed like they were way more open to passing... not sure whats going on now, but when you run it every single down it will get easier and easier for defenses to plan against.
Also, one of Murrays best talents is being able to scramble around, buy time, and then make the pass (what Mcghee used to do)... Again, I feel like they are not taking advantage of his athletic ability to create plays passing...
Not sure what to think at this point? I feel like he could/should be putting up way more passing yards/numbers, but for some reason the gameplan just wants to run it every single play....
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Re: Chris Murray
It seems to me, that a lot of our past plays are either at the line of scrimmage passes or 25 to 35 yards down the field. I don't ever recall hitting a WR dragging across the middle nor targeting the TE across the middle. We played Weber St and South Dakota State with their huge TEs, somebody tell me why we're not targeting Connor Sullivan? The kid is an animal.
I think some of the philosophy stems from Ashes last year or two, where our defense was exhausted and we don't have the defensive depth to throw the ball 30 times a game. Just my two cents.
I'd like to see us throw the ball about 20 to 25 times a game.
I think some of the philosophy stems from Ashes last year or two, where our defense was exhausted and we don't have the defensive depth to throw the ball 30 times a game. Just my two cents.
I'd like to see us throw the ball about 20 to 25 times a game.
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Re: Chris Murray
Is making the offense "simpler" a sign of progression?
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Re: Chris Murray
I'm still having a hard time figuring out why we don't throw any slants, or screens to the WRs. Kassis is our #1 punt returner. Not only does he protect the ball, but he is shifty and smart. Which is why he's out #1 punt returner. He should be getting at a bare minimum, 5 screens per game. Screens are basically an extension of the running game. I put more of the problem with Murray's passing on Army, than on Murray. Murray has shown that when he has the chance to pass consistently, he can pass well. Our offense isn't balanced enough to give Murray the chance to get into a rhythm. He needs to figure out how to be consistent no matter what obviously, but the play calling should help. And it's not.
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Re: Chris Murray
Ya, and paige? The only time I remember him touching the ball this year he scored a TD.BleedingBLue wrote:I'm still having a hard time figuring out why we don't throw any slants, or screens to the WRs. Kassis is our #1 punt returner. Not only does he protect the ball, but he is shifty and smart. Which is why he's out #1 punt returner. He should be getting at a bare minimum, 5 screens per game. Screens are basically an extension of the running game. I put more of the problem with Murray's passing on Army, than on Murray. Murray has shown that when he has the chance to pass consistently, he can pass well. Our offense isn't balanced enough to give Murray the chance to get into a rhythm. He needs to figure out how to be consistent no matter what obviously, but the play calling should help. And it's not.
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Re: Chris Murray
My thoughts as well. Gotta take off the handcuffs.coloradocat wrote:I wonder if the coaches are looking at his completion % and that's what's pushing them to lean on run plays. If this is the case I think they're setting him up to fail in the passing game. If you rarely throw you won't get better, won't get in a rhythm and WR drops will be even more demoralizing. The run game seems strong enough at this point to throw more even if there are more incompletions. Since our changes of making the playoffs are slim, rather than focusing on what you're good at, focus on development.
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Re: Chris Murray
If he did pass more and pass better I doubt it'd make much of a difference, because we'd still be making mistakes to cost us chances of winning. Until they fix that I'm not going to try to dissect any single aspect of the team.
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Re: Chris Murray
Late last season Choate made a plea to his team to stop turning the ball over. Now he needs to make a plea for them to stop making dumb mistakes.
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Re: Chris Murray
He should ask that of himself as well. Why in the world did he go for two in that last game? Did he ever address it? This isn't the first time he's made some very questionable decisions yet many seem very forgiving.iaafan wrote:Late last season Choate made a plea to his team to stop turning the ball over. Now he needs to make a plea for them to stop making dumb mistakes.
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Re: Chris Murray
Something about the wind.Grizaddict wrote:He should ask that of himself as well. Why in the world did he go for two in that last game? Did he ever address it? This isn't the first time he's made some very questionable decisions yet many seem very forgiving.iaafan wrote:Late last season Choate made a plea to his team to stop turning the ball over. Now he needs to make a plea for them to stop making dumb mistakes.
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Re: Chris Murray
He's definitely still very raw. His throwing motion is better, his footwork is better, but there's still a lot to learn. He's got to do a better job going through his progressions for sure, to me it's almost like his focus is on his protection and he's missing receivers down the field because he doesn't want to be sacked... he's got to learn to read the D, know where the pressure is going to come from and know where to go with the ball to make them pay. Gubrud is excellent at that. He also needs to be counting in his head and know when its time to take off or get rid of the ball, and he needs to "feel" that blindside pressure. He's got a lot to learn for sure, but I think he's definitely made strides in his game. If he wasn't progressing, I'd think we'd see someone else at QB and Murray would probably get moved to slot receiver or something like that.
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Re: Chris Murray
Is this what his teal reason was? If so that's garbage.technoCat wrote:Something about the wind.Grizaddict wrote:He should ask that of himself as well. Why in the world did he go for two in that last game? Did he ever address it? This isn't the first time he's made some very questionable decisions yet many seem very forgiving.iaafan wrote:Late last season Choate made a plea to his team to stop turning the ball over. Now he needs to make a plea for them to stop making dumb mistakes.
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Re: Chris Murray
In yesterday's presser he said that on one end of the field, the kickers weren't making anything in pregame warm-ups due to the wind.BleedingBLue wrote:Is this what his teal reason was? If so that's garbage.technoCat wrote:Something about the wind.Grizaddict wrote:He should ask that of himself as well. Why in the world did he go for two in that last game? Did he ever address it? This isn't the first time he's made some very questionable decisions yet many seem very forgiving.iaafan wrote:Late last season Choate made a plea to his team to stop turning the ball over. Now he needs to make a plea for them to stop making dumb mistakes.
Something to that effect, anyways.
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Re: Chris Murray
Kicking game has not been good, it was windy. So going fro 2 removes a FG to win the game from the equation later in the game.Grizaddict wrote:He should ask that of himself as well. Why in the world did he go for two in that last game? Did he ever address it? This isn't the first time he's made some very questionable decisions yet many seem very forgiving.iaafan wrote:Late last season Choate made a plea to his team to stop turning the ball over. Now he needs to make a plea for them to stop making dumb mistakes.
In other words he wanted to remove the possibility of depending on a kicker in the final seconds of the game.
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Re: Chris Murray
How does a 9 point lead as opposed to a 10 point lead make the team not rely on the kicker still to tie or win it possibly? And if we can't trust our tickets to make a 20 yard xp we have some major problems.cats2506 wrote:Kicking game has not been good, it was windy. So going fro 2 removes a FG to win the game from the equation later in the game.Grizaddict wrote:He should ask that of himself as well. Why in the world did he go for two in that last game? Did he ever address it? This isn't the first time he's made some very questionable decisions yet many seem very forgiving.iaafan wrote:Late last season Choate made a plea to his team to stop turning the ball over. Now he needs to make a plea for them to stop making dumb mistakes.
In other words he wanted to remove the possibility of depending on a kicker in the final seconds of the game.
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Re: Chris Murray
I'm pretty sure Choate can do the math. I'm confused about it too, but he had his reason for going for two and it wouldn't have made a difference. Even if we make it twice it's still 24-23 and we still fumble. That was our chance and we pissed it away.
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Re: Chris Murray
Removes any pressure on making an extra point to possibly tie later on. Also, I think we didn't want to go to overtime. Win or lose in regulation. Would have been setup to win with a FG rather than tie.
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Re: Chris Murray
I think it is stupid to blame not passing the ball on the wind. PSU passed for 300+ and EWU 225 against us in the wind. We have three receivers that if Gubrud was throwing to he would be throwing over 500 yards every game. I think Murray has come a long way, does some amazing things, but I wonder how far he can carry us. This offense is not working. I thought Messingham was pretty bad at play calling, I am starting to have those same feelings. I get that the run is working for us, but that should only help the passing game. As I have said before, how do you go recruit receivers or keep the really good ones you have if all they do is block for running backs all game. Talent is being wasted and that sucks to see. Herbert should have easily had over 1000 yards this season, Kassis should be over 1000 yards each season. Like I said, there is a lot of great things about Murray, but we need to have a passing game that we can count on to win games when needed.
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