All-Ash Team

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:28 pm

Well now that the off-season is upon us, and we've had a full season with Choate at the helm, for fun I thought I'd put together a two-deep of the best of the best of the Ash recruits. I was also curious to see where his strengths and weaknesses lied in the recruiting game.

Note, this has to be players recruited/signed by Ash, not Kramer recruits. Has to be a two-deep, which was hard to choose in several positions. I have an HM category simply to show where we had an abundance of talent, and where we underproduced.

I may have missed some people or am wrong about some guys being Ash recruits. I also have a hard time sometimes figuring out which specific position guys played, especially along the OL and in the LB spot, so correct me if I get that wrong.

QB: McGhee, Prukop
HM: Bleskin

RB: Kirk, O. Davis
HM: Crawford, Robinson, Shawn Johnson, Brekke, Newell and even CJ Palmer.

WR: Akpla, Flotkoetter
WR: Lloyd, Griebel
WR: Bleskin, Herbert
HM: Gilbert, Ellis, Gates, Paige.

TE: Sandland, Salanoa
HM: Foster, Perkins, Barth, Sullivan.

LT: Weidenaar, Eekhoff
LG: Flynn, Godecke
C: Devereaux, Horn
RG: Horn, Brott
RT: Catalano, Mahoney
Pretty thin here overall, our OL attrition is well-documented. But a solid group of starters. HM Monte Folsom since he was switched.

DE (bandit): Daly, Schreibeis
DE (strong): Laidet, Coe
Very thin here as well. HM Fa'anono, could count Grant Collins since he switched. Verlanic was coming on before he retired.

DT: Minter, Dees
DT: Sheridan, D'Alba
HM: the Bignells, Nate and Brian, Connor Thomas, Yates, Wright played fairly well this year

OLB: Singleton, Grosulak
MLB: Owens, Moeakiola
OLB: Mac Bignell, Moore
HM: Fletcher Collins, Michael Foster. Maybe Matt Harris, Rhett Young. Hill!

S: Fuller, Marshall
S: Bethley, McCabe
HM: Garcia, Konkol is coming on.

CB: Jones, Gords
CB: Flowers, Keeton
HM: Strong, Timmer. Several TBDs here.

K: Jason Cunningham

After putting this together, we've had solid players in all positions, and several all-time greats especially on the offensive side.

Where Ash teams fell short were secondary, especially safety, and the DL. We had an elite line in 2010-2012, but once those guys were gone we never found that same success. Also our OL attrition was ridiculous, but still managed to field a decent OL every year (thanks Mac!).

Also I was surprised when I put the WR list together, it wasn't as deep as I was expecting. We've had some greats, but across the board they've been above average to good.

FTG247365 · Post by **FTG247365** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:35 pm

Great post, LOTS of great player.

Almost need a utility/athlete category, guys who played WR, RB, Slot, PR and KR. My 2 tops guys would be Gilbert and Brekke. I'm drawing blank, there is a 3rd.

Looking back at the list we had some studs through out the years. A handle full will end up in the Bobcat HOF.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:40 pm

Good list, but I don't think Prukop belongs tied with McGhee for first team QB. I'd put Crawford with Kirk, if anyone, but not O. Davis. Kirk probably deserves that spot alone, like McGhee at QB.

MTCowpoke22 · Post by **MTCowpoke22** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:13 pm

I'd put Cody Kempt in as HM at QB with Bleskin. He was playing pretty well in 2009 before becoming DM's backup the next fall. He played better than Jake ever did.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:31 pm

FTG247365 wrote: I'm drawing blank, there is a 3rd.

Shawn John?

Wasn't Crawford a Kramer recruit?

VimSince03 · Post by **VimSince03** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:06 pm

Shaun Sampson did walk-on during Ash's first year in 2008 if I'm not mistaken. He should be the first team center. Also Jody Owens was a WLB, not a Mike.

lutecat · Post by **lutecat** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:11 pm

Now do the same with an all Kramer team. Which is better?

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CatBlitz · Post by **CatBlitz** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:30 pm

LTown Cat wrote:
FTG247365 wrote: I'm drawing blank, there is a 3rd.
Shawn John?

Wasn't Crawford a Kramer recruit?

Ash brought Crawford here that fall after Kramer got fired.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:34 pm

CatBlitz wrote:
LTown Cat wrote:
FTG247365 wrote: I'm drawing blank, there is a 3rd.
Shawn John?

Wasn't Crawford a Kramer recruit?
Ash brought Crawford here that fall after Kramer got fired.

I know but I thought he was committed to Kramer. I could be wrong.

CatBlitz · Post by **CatBlitz** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:37 pm

LTown Cat wrote:
CatBlitz wrote:
LTown Cat wrote:
FTG247365 wrote: I'm drawing blank, there is a 3rd.
Shawn John?

Wasn't Crawford a Kramer recruit?
Ash brought Crawford here that fall after Kramer got fired.
I know but I thought he was committed to Kramer. I could be wrong.

Don't think so. I'm pretty sure Kane and Ash recruited him here.

BigBruceBaker · Post by **BigBruceBaker** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:53 am

1. Didn't Schreibeis play both ends or am I imagining stuff?
2. After reading this it is unbelievable how small that o line and d line list are.

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TomCat88 · Post by **TomCat88** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:56 am

BigBruceBaker wrote:1. Didn't Schreibeis play both ends or am I imagining stuff?
2. After reading this it is unbelievable how small that o line and d line list are.

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He did play both ends.

BleedingBLue · Post by **BleedingBLue** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:19 pm

MTCowpoke22 wrote:I'd put Cody Kempt in as HM at QB with Bleskin. He was playing pretty well in 2009 before becoming DM's backup the next fall. He played better than Jake ever did.

Hmm interesting

He threw for under 200 a game in his 6 starts that year, had 1 great game against Eastern and a good game against South Dakota and was average at best those other starts. Both guys were iffy decision makers but Bleskin was the better QB.

technoCat · Post by **technoCat** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:07 pm

QB should just be McGhee and Prukop.

There should be no center unless Samson was and Ash recruit. It has been a real disappointing position for a long time for me.

I feel like Minter, Sheridan and Possibly Ogden(if he was an Ash recruit can't quite remember) are the only DTs that have really impressed me. Jury is still out on Yates.

Was Person an Ash recruit?

VimSince03 · Post by **VimSince03** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:10 pm

technoCat wrote:QB should just be McGhee and Prukop.

There should be no center unless Samson was and Ash recruit. It has been a real disappointing position for a long time for me.

I feel like Minter, Sheridan and Possibly Ogden(if he was an Ash recruit can't quite remember) are the only DTs that have really impressed me. Jury is still out on Yates.

Was Person an Ash recruit?

Shaun Sampson should be a 1st team center and Joel Horn definitely deserves to be mentioned at Center.

Ogden was part of Kramer's last class.

Person was part of Kramer's second to last class.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:29 pm

technoCat wrote:QB should just be McGhee and Prukop.

There should be no center unless Samson was and Ash recruit. It has been a real disappointing position for a long time for me.

I feel like Minter, Sheridan and Possibly Ogden(if he was an Ash recruit can't quite remember) are the only DTs that have really impressed me. Jury is still out on Yates.

Was Person an Ash recruit?

I liked the DL from Drake. D'Alba??

Thought he was pretty solid.

VimSince03 · Post by **VimSince03** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:35 pm

Here is my list:

QB

1st Team - Denarius McGhee
2nd Team - Dakota Prukop
Honorable Mention - Jake Bleskin

RB

1st Team - Cody Kirk, Demetrius Crawford
2nd Team - Shawn Johnson
Honorable Mention - Gunnar Brekke, Orenzo Davis

FB

1st Team - Tray Robinson
2nd Team - Chad Newell
Honorable Mention - None

WR

1st Team - Tanner Bleskin, Elvis Akpla, Mitch Griebel
2nd Team - Everett Gilbert, John Ellis, Mitch Herbert
Honorable Mention - Brian Flotkoetter, Justin Paige, Deshaun Thomas (remember how good he was as a true freshman)

TE

1st Team - Beau Sandland
2nd Team - Tiai Salanoa, Steven Foster
Honorable Mention - Lee Perkins, Austin Barth

LT

1st Team - John Weidenaar
2nd Team - Dylan Mahoney
Honorable Mention - None

LG

1st Team - JP Flynn
2nd Team - Kyle Godecke
Honorable Mention - Ben Taunauu

C

1st Team - Shaun Sampson
2nd Team - Joel Horn
Honorable Mention - Matthew Devereux

RG

1st Team - Quinn Catalano
2nd Team - Monte Folsom
Honorable Mention - Stephen Memory (I'll probably take flack for this but Memory wasn't awful for those few games he played during 2011)

RT

1st Team - Steven Foster (twice on the list!)
2nd Team - Alex Eekhoff
Honorable Mention - Mitch Brott

DE (Bandit/Rush)

1st Team - Caleb Schreibeis (played both), Brad Daly
2nd Team - Odin Coe (played both)
Honorable Mention - None (Zach Hutchins almost made it but he was moved around too much)

DE (Strong)

1st Team - John Laidet
2nd Team - Preston Gale (injured too much but when he played, he was definitely talented)
Honorable Mention - Tyrone Fa'anono (has been a bright spot for us on defense his first three years and glad he got a redshirt year this year due to injury)

DT

1st Team - Zach Minter, Taylor Sheridan
2nd Team - Brian Bignell, Jason D'Alba
Honorable Mention - Taylor Dees, Craig Ashworth

WLB

1st Team - Jody Owens, Alex Singleton
2nd Team - Josh Hill (he really was good as a redshirt freshman this year despite his size)
Honorable Mention - Blake Braun

MLB

1st Team - Na'a Moeakiola (when healthy, he was a stud)
2nd Team - Michael Foster (filled in for Na'a admirably his senior season)
Honorable Mention - Fletcher Collins (had an underrated senior season; he hangs onto a few more interceptions, he may have been All-Big Sky; quite a story)

SLB

1st Team - Cole Moore (so consistent)
2nd Team - Mac Bignell
Honorable Mention - Aleksei Grosulak (still remember that Washington State game...only if he would've stayed healthy)

CB

1st Team - Darius Jones, Deonte Flowers
2nd Team - Bryson Keeton
Honorable Mention - Bryce Alley, Sean Gords

S

1st Team - Joel Fuller, Steven Bethley
2nd Team - Robert Marshall, Bryson McCabe
Honorable Mention - Eryon Barnett (when at full health, he had tremendous ball skills...so tragic what happened to him)

K

1st Team - Jason Cunningham
2nd Team - Luke Daly (who will likely not be back with the program)
Honorable Mention - Rory Perez

P

1st Team - Rory Perez
2nd Team - Trevor Bolton
Honorable Mention - Jake Bleskin

Special Teamer

1st Team - Chad Newell
2nd Team - Cody Cleveland
Honorable Mention - Joey Michael

bobcat99 · Post by **bobcat99** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:30 pm

LTown Cat wrote:
technoCat wrote:QB should just be McGhee and Prukop.

There should be no center unless Samson was and Ash recruit. It has been a real disappointing position for a long time for me.

I feel like Minter, Sheridan and Possibly Ogden(if he was an Ash recruit can't quite remember) are the only DTs that have really impressed me. Jury is still out on Yates.

Was Person an Ash recruit?
I liked the DL from Drake. D'Alba??

Thought he was pretty solid.

He was an ok player. I always thought he was a dirty player, just didn't care for him. Was kind of a prick tbh

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:27 pm

D'Alba was a bit dirty maybe, but he was pretty solid. He'd be starting right now IMO.

BigBruceBaker · Post by **BigBruceBaker** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:25 pm

CelticCat wrote:D'Alba was a bit dirty maybe, but he was pretty solid. He'd be starting right now IMO.

Yup

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