Anyone better than Gregorak?

Cataholic · Post by **Cataholic** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:04 pm

Go Scats Go wrote:I believe this was one of the reasons TG and Stitt had some issues. UM's highly regarded D (well for the BSC) was terrible on opening drives. So TG had a week (really much more) to prepare the team and the outcome was piss poor...

Yes, he made good adjustments, but this percentage is horrible at any level in any conference. I bet there are Arena football teams with better stats!

9 of the 13 games UM played in 2015 the opposing team scored (8TD's/ 1 FG) on the first drive.

NDSU 8 Plays 75 yards 4:21 (Touchdown)
Cal-Poly (Turn over on downs)
LIBERTY 10 plays 74 yards 5:38 (Touchdown)
NAU (Fumbled on first drive)
UC Davis (FG on first Drive) This one was Stitts fault...
Weber St. 4 palys 53 yards 1:30 (Touchdown)
North Dakota 1 play 80 yards (Touchdown)
PSU 8 plays 75 yards 3:56 (Touchdown)
ISU 12 plays 75 yards 4:50 (Touchdown)
EWU 9 Plays 57 Yards 4:08 (Fumbled going in)
MSU 5 plays 88 Yards 2:03 (Touchdown)
SD State (Fumbled on first drive)
ND State 3 plays 56 yards 1:38 (Touchdown)

Wasn't Gregoriak removed as DC for half the season? Isn't your new guy responsible for half of those games?

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:33 pm

bobcatbob wrote:It's comical how Griz fans have thrown him under the bus. He's gone from them wanting him as head coach before they hired Stitt to be being a terrible coach. We are lucky to have him. We will see a much improved defense. I like his passion.

BS, I have never thought he was a good coach and he proved it at UM. If he would have got the HC position I would have taken a hiatus as a fan while he ran it into the ground. I am incredibly gald hes gone and we can improve instead of stay semi ****** on defense. I really hope you guys like him he is a notch up from what you have had.

lutecat · Post by **lutecat** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:44 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Go Scats Go wrote:I believe this was one of the reasons TG and Stitt had some issues. UM's highly regarded D (well for the BSC) was terrible on opening drives. So TG had a week (really much more) to prepare the team and the outcome was piss poor...

Yes, he made good adjustments, but this percentage is horrible at any level in any conference. I bet there are Arena football teams with better stats!

9 of the 13 games UM played in 2015 the opposing team scored (8TD's/ 1 FG) on the first drive.

NDSU 8 Plays 75 yards 4:21 (Touchdown)
Cal-Poly (Turn over on downs)
LIBERTY 10 plays 74 yards 5:38 (Touchdown)
NAU (Fumbled on first drive)
UC Davis (FG on first Drive) This one was Stitts fault...
Weber St. 4 palys 53 yards 1:30 (Touchdown)
North Dakota 1 play 80 yards (Touchdown)
PSU 8 plays 75 yards 3:56 (Touchdown)
ISU 12 plays 75 yards 4:50 (Touchdown)
EWU 9 Plays 57 Yards 4:08 (Fumbled going in)
MSU 5 plays 88 Yards 2:03 (Touchdown)
SD State (Fumbled on first drive)
ND State 3 plays 56 yards 1:38 (Touchdown)
Wasn't Gregoriak removed as DC for half the season? Isn't your new guy responsible for half of those games?

Hey now....don't let facts get in the way of good old griz logic.

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Go Scats Go · Post by **Go Scats Go** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:04 pm

lutecat wrote:
Cataholic wrote:
Go Scats Go wrote:I believe this was one of the reasons TG and Stitt had some issues. UM's highly regarded D (well for the BSC) was terrible on opening drives. So TG had a week (really much more) to prepare the team and the outcome was piss poor...

Yes, he made good adjustments, but this percentage is horrible at any level in any conference. I bet there are Arena football teams with better stats!

9 of the 13 games UM played in 2015 the opposing team scored (8TD's/ 1 FG) on the first drive.

NDSU 8 Plays 75 yards 4:21 (Touchdown)
Cal-Poly (Turn over on downs)
LIBERTY 10 plays 74 yards 5:38 (Touchdown)
NAU (Fumbled on first drive)
UC Davis (FG on first Drive) This one was Stitts fault...
Weber St. 4 palys 53 yards 1:30 (Touchdown)
North Dakota 1 play 80 yards (Touchdown)
PSU 8 plays 75 yards 3:56 (Touchdown)
ISU 12 plays 75 yards 4:50 (Touchdown)
EWU 9 Plays 57 Yards 4:08 (Fumbled going in)
MSU 5 plays 88 Yards 2:03 (Touchdown)
SD State (Fumbled on first drive)
ND State 3 plays 56 yards 1:38 (Touchdown)
Wasn't Gregoriak removed as DC for half the season? Isn't your new guy responsible for half of those games?
Hey now....don't let facts get in the way of good old griz logic.

Lets take a look in November... TY simply does not have his D ready to play early and he calls a very vanilla D...

But that will be an improvemnt in bozeman

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:36 pm

One thing everyone can agree on is that Ty likes the D

TomCat88 · Post by **TomCat88** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:40 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:One thing everyone can agree on is that Ty likes the D

Is this how you duck and hide from Jack Manning?

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:50 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
AlphaGriz1 wrote:One thing everyone can agree on is that Ty likes the D
Is this how you duck and hide from Jack Manning?

Yes, he is such an intimidating octogenarian.............

Doc3kgt · Post by **Doc3kgt** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:57 pm

It's funny to hear people talk about the defense at MSU like it has been horrible for decades. MSU is recognized as consistently fielding a damn good defense. The last 2 years have been an anomaly. If TG will just help the D get the swagger, confidence, and aggression back, we will be just fine.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:36 am

There hasnt been a GOOD defense in the BSC in 14 years.

We are what we are.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:36 am

When (if) UM switched from Gregorak to Semore last year there was no distinct difference in the production. In the five games Semore supposedly coordinated three of them were either started by a backup quarterback (NDSU and SDSU) or the majority of the game was played by backup QBs (EWU). UM's best defensive effort of the season came under Gregorak against Case Cookus and NAU. The second best was against SDSU in the playoffs, but the Jackrabbits were using a backup QB that day. Semore's best effort was against ISU, but the Bengals were down last year and even MSU's defense held the Bengals in check. The playoff effort against NDSU looks better than the regular season, but this game had a backup QB for NDSU, not No. 2 NFL draft pick Carson Wentz. NDSU's defense also shut down UM in the playoff game (they scored two TDs on an INT returns and had a KO return for TD) and therefore the Bison didn't need to keep the foot on the gas on offense.

John K · Post by **John K** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:21 am

Typical Griz arrogance..."He's not good enough to coach for us, but you guys are damn lucky to get a mediocre coach like him".

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:52 am

It's not arrogant..........

#itsthetruth

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John K · Post by **John K** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:54 am

AlphaGriz1 wrote:It's not arrogant..........

#itsthetruth

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No...that's exactly what it is.

griz5700 · Post by **griz5700** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:55 am

John K wrote:Typical Griz arrogance..."He's not good enough to coach for us, but you guys are damn lucky to get a mediocre coach like him".

Yeah. Something like that. $\:D/$

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:59 am

John K wrote:
AlphaGriz1 wrote:It's not arrogant..........

#itsthetruth

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No...that's exactly what it is.

Gregorek was never good enough to coach at UM and I laughed at him being the head coach what a joke I would rather have Delaney back.

There are several high school coaches that are better than "The cheerleader" is at anything football.

My guess is you will agree in 2-3 years, I will let his average abilities prove it on the field.

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tdub · Post by **tdub** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:12 am

AlphaGriz1 wrote:It's not arrogant..........

#itsthetruth

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According to you.

Past performance shows otherwise. I believe the Cats need a good 'cheerleader' more than X's and O's guy. Marshall really did have some good X's and O's that simply couldn't be implemented effectively here because there was zero fire in the team. Make it simple and let 'em play fast. All the scheme's in the world don't mean jack if you can't tackle, take the right angle, or fill the right hole. When it was simplified, they'd played relatively well (reference Cal Poly game where you could see responsibilities were simple). In college football where practice time is limited, you have to pick your poison on what you work on more. Rock solid fundamentals or exotic blitz, stunt, and coverage packages.

I know you won't budge from your 'Gregorak is terrible' mantra. Just a good thing you don't make personnel decisions, even though we all know you'd do it better than anyone else.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:20 am

True I would do a good job and you did get a good cheerleader!

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Hawks86 · Post by **Hawks86** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:22 am

He'll be, whatever the hell, Choate wants him to be.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:31 am

I don't know about the scheme that he ran at UM. I'm just learning about the the scheme that he is planning on running at MSU.
But in my opinion, Culture is more important than scheme. If he is improving the culture (and the little bit that I saw at Spring Ball showed me that he is) then I am more than happy with where we are at today.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:34 am

Some Griz fans have a personality conflict with him, but not only is Gregorak a very good coach with a proven track record, but he's now teamed up with Choate, Ioane and Alexander. Three proven, experienced coaches on that side of the ball that creates a coaching juggernaut. MSU just needs to get the players in to make it happen and it looks like they're making a lot of progress in that regard.

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