MSU cannot tackle

[TomCat88]

Yeah, I know it's not a real exciting subject. You'd rather hear about a scuffle that broke out between an offensive and defensive player or the injury report or the highlight reel catch someone made, but the real story at MSU camp is that its defense can't tackle. Well, they probably can, but they aren't.

Not being able to tackle is like not being able to make a layup. Sure you can close in on a ball-carrier like no one's business, but if you can't bring him down what good did that do? About as much good as blowing by your defender on a drive, but then constantly choking on the layup.

I don't need to hear Kane Ioane yelling at his players. I need to see him showing them how to tackle.

Football, like any sport, is founded on fundamentals. You can be the world's greatest athlete, but if you don't have a solid handle on the fundamentals your career will fall short of anyone's expectations. If you're too cool to work on them and would rather practice spiking the ball over the goal posts or bouncing the ball off the backboard and dunking it, then good luck to ya. The guys that are slower, shorter and weaker that work on staying in position and tackling are gonna beat you out.

[allcat]

Yeah, I know it's not a real exciting subject. You'd rather hear about a scuffle that broke out between an offensive and defensive player or the injury report or the highlight reel catch someone made, but the real story at MSU camp is that its defense can't tackle. Well, they probably can, but they aren't.

Not being able to tackle is like not being able to make a layup. Sure you can close in on a ball-carrier like no one's business, but if you can't bring him down what good did that do? About as much good as blowing by your defender on a drive, but then constantly choking on the layup.

I don't need to hear Kane Ioane yelling at his players. I need to see him showing them how to tackle.

Football, like any sport, is founded on fundamentals. You can be the world's greatest athlete, but if you don't have a solid handle on the fundamentals your career will fall short of anyone's expectations. If you're too cool to work on them and would rather practice spiking the ball over the goal posts or bouncing the ball off the backboard and dunking it, then good luck to ya. The guys that are slower, shorter and weaker that work on staying in position and tackling are gonna beat you out.

Spot on. The no tackling has been harped on for years.

[77matcat]

Oh oh. Was thinking about going to Cheney. Maybe I'll watch on TV


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[Mr Lisle]

I've said it here before and I'll say it again. Actually, I'm quoting Sonny Lubick and it's the stone truth..."tackling is 20% technique and 80% wanting to".

[77matcat]

Let's hope coach I can create a lil desire.


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[luckyirishguy25]

Yeah, I know it's not a real exciting subject. You'd rather hear about a scuffle that broke out between an offensive and defensive player or the injury report or the highlight reel catch someone made, but the real story at MSU camp is that its defense can't tackle. Well, they probably can, but they aren't.

Not being able to tackle is like not being able to make a layup. Sure you can close in on a ball-carrier like no one's business, but if you can't bring him down what good did that do? About as much good as blowing by your defender on a drive, but then constantly choking on the layup.

I don't need to hear Kane Ioane yelling at his players. I need to see him showing them how to tackle.

Football, like any sport, is founded on fundamentals. You can be the world's greatest athlete, but if you don't have a solid handle on the fundamentals your career will fall short of anyone's expectations. If you're too cool to work on them and would rather practice spiking the ball over the goal posts or bouncing the ball off the backboard and dunking it, then good luck to ya. The guys that are slower, shorter and weaker that work on staying in position and tackling are gonna beat you out.

That doesn't sound good Tom, you're 100% spot on, fundamentals are key.

If I was Kane, I'd say if you blow a tackle you get to line up 1 on 1 with JP Flynn... no mercy. and also start running tackling drills for the entire practice,every practice till fort lewis. If we don't tackle or even take bad lines this year, it will be the same or worse than last.

[77matcat]

How about sitting them and finding someone who wants to


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[LongTimeCatFan]

If they're afraid of injuries, buy the tackling dummies and use them in tackling drills to perfect technique.

Good post Tom. It's a Rob Ash era problem.

[codecat]

Yeah, I know it's not a real exciting subject. You'd rather hear about a scuffle that broke out between an offensive and defensive player or the injury report or the highlight reel catch someone made, but the real story at MSU camp is that its defense can't tackle. Well, they probably can, but they aren't.

Not being able to tackle is like not being able to make a layup. Sure you can close in on a ball-carrier like no one's business, but if you can't bring him down what good did that do? About as much good as blowing by your defender on a drive, but then constantly choking on the layup.

I don't need to hear Kane Ioane yelling at his players. I need to see him showing them how to tackle.

Football, like any sport, is founded on fundamentals. You can be the world's greatest athlete, but if you don't have a solid handle on the fundamentals your career will fall short of anyone's expectations. If you're too cool to work on them and would rather practice spiking the ball over the goal posts or bouncing the ball off the backboard and dunking it, then good luck to ya. The guys that are slower, shorter and weaker that work on staying in position and tackling are gonna beat you out.

Good post Tom - the failed attempt to stop Jayshawn Gates from nine yards out in the last scrimmage was quite illustrative, and reminded me a great deal of the 2013 EWU game in Cheney where EWU scored at will-we almost always had guys in position to make the tackle but Forte was consistently broke past 2 or 3 defenders before being brought down. We may have had scheme problems back then, in fact I think it was that year when we started struggling with up-tempo spread offenses, but one of the problems that allowed EWU to be 2-dimensional was our inability to tackle.

[luckyirishguy25]

So Tom, is this tackling issue with just the "older" (by which I mean the one's who have been around MSU for a while) or is it just plain everyone, transfers included?

[KittieKop]

While this season has yet to play out, I thought defensive woes were Jamie Marshal's fault, and with him "out of the way" things were supposed to be better

[LongTimeCatFan]

While this season has yet to play out, I thought defensive woes were Jamie Marshal's fault, and with him "out of the way" things were supposed to be better

Ioane has Teflon, it fall back to Ash.

Try to keep up would ya?

[PapaG]

I don't understand this thread. Is it that defense is missing a bunch of tackles in camp, or that they're not allowed to tackle much in camp, or something else?

[KittieKop]

While this season has yet to play out, I thought defensive woes were Jamie Marshal's fault, and with him "out of the way" things were supposed to be better

Ioane has Teflon, it fall back to Ash.

Try to keep up would ya?

Fields. Its Peter Fields' fault.

One step ahead of you.

[LongTimeCatFan]

I don't understand this thread. Is it that defense is missing a bunch of tackles in camp, or that they're not allowed to tackle much in camp, or something else?

There are only 4 or 5 "live" (full tackle) practices per year under Ash. As a result, we can't tackle.

[catatac]

Not buying it. You don't lead the league in defense (which we've done multiple times under Ash and co) with some underlying fundamental problem of not knowing how to tackle. Agree we've slipped the past couple years but I still believe that boils down to attitude. As of now I believe our current problems have to do with players getting up to speed on a completely new system and still having to thing rather than react and tackle to the ground. My prediction is that you will see a crapload of great tackles out of this defense this year.

[LongTimeCatFan]

Not buying it. You don't lead the league in defense (which we've done multiple times under Ash and co) with some underlying fundamental problem of not knowing how to tackle. Agree we've slipped the past couple years but I still believe that boils down to attitude. As of now I believe our current problems have to do with players getting up to speed on a completely new system and still having to thing rather than react and tackle to the ground. My prediction is that you will see a crapload of great tackles out of this defense this year.

How do you get better at it if you don't practice it?

[bobcatmaniac]

Our defense has never been as good as we were years ago. We would stop teams on the 1-2 yard line. Intense!! Now ummm good luck.


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[Hi-Line Bobcat]

Was Braun out of practice for discipline reasons today or was it a class conflict? Ash said it wasn't injury related, so I'm just wondering what it could be?

[allcat]

I don't understand this thread. Is it that defense is missing a bunch of tackles in camp, or that they're not allowed to tackle much in camp, or something else?

There are only 4 or 5 "live" (full tackle) practices per year under Ash. As a result, we can't tackle.

Do you mean like at Coastal Carolina?