Cat-Griz mystery

[TomCat88]

Since 1995, the Bobcats haven't been able to muster much offense against UM. 1995 represents the last time MSU scored over 30 points. I looked it up a while back and, while I don't recall the exact number off the top of my head, MSU has only had a couple games over 400 yards vs. UM during that span.

The most glaring period has been the past five years. MSU has had one of the more prolific offenses in the BSC, yet hasn't gone over 400 yards (the best was 354 in 2012) once against UM. I think MSU has been over 400 yards in close to 90% of its games during that time frame and UM has had a couple years (2012-13) where it has been below average defensively. Seems strange that MSU hasn't had one game over 400 vs. UM.

2014 - 314
2013 - 272
2012 - 354
2011 - 250
2010 - 278

I would bet that all five of these games rank in the bottom 20% of all games the past five years.

[NewEra]

Looking at those numbers it really makes you think what the heck is going on with our team going into these games.

[MSU01]

Looking at those numbers it really makes you think what the heck is going on with our team going into these games.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the games in question have been played against an opponent that is significantly stronger than the average Big Sky opponent. It's a lot easier to rack up the yards against UC Davis and Sac State than against a team that actually plays defense.

[BelgradeBobcat]

Hmmmm. Maybe that whole they're stealing our signals really does have some merit?

[Cat Grad]

Hmmmm. Maybe that whole they're stealing our signals really does have some merit?

At this juncture, it's probably not relevant as I suspect we will actually change them this weekend. They knew every play before the snap last week.

[TomCat88]

Looking at those numbers it really makes you think what the heck is going on with our team going into these games.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the games in question have been played against an opponent that is significantly stronger than the average Big Sky opponent. It's a lot easier to rack up the yards against UC Davis and Sac State than against a team that actually plays defense.

I had considered that before I posted and wanted to look up all the games. Then break out the games against better than average teams. Keep in mind UM was below average in 2012 and 2013, yet we still didn't get much going on offense. It's getting late, so I didn't look all that up.

[GoCats18]

They cheat, we all know it. Never seen a defensive coordinator stand behind a flag and call in plays. Just seems a little odd.

[Gustofer]

They cheat, we all know it. Never seen a defensive coordinator stand behind a flag and call in plays. Just seems a little odd.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but that would explain a lot.

[TomCat88]

For the record, I'm not claiming or implying that UM is cheating. The Griz have held MSU below its average offense per game and also below their average defense per game. The former number is understandable, the latter isn't. Typically you get to your average by holding weak teams below your average, while strong teams are above your average. MSU has been one of the strong offensive teams the Griz have faced, yet it has been one of the teams the Griz have held below their defensive average for five straight years.

Of all the teams UM has played over the past five years, MSU has been one of the easiest for the Griz defense to stop.

[[cat_bracket]]

This is a great thread. It probably goes too deep for most of our posters, but the numbers are flat out staggering. Below is a list of what um was allowing in points and total yards going into Cat-grizz and what they held us to, along with what we were averaging.

2014
grizz avg points allowed 22, held MSU to 7, MSU was averaging 41. um +15, MSU -34
grizz avg yards allowed 375, held MSU to 314, MSU was averaging 495. um +61, MSU -181

2013
grizz allow 25, MSU scores 14, MSU averaged 34. um +11, MSU -20
grizz allow 370, MSU gets 272, MSU averaged 425. um +98, MSU -153

2012
grizz allow 27, MSU scores 16, MSU avg 35. um +11, MSU -19
grizz allow 385, MSU gains 354, MSU avg 415. um +31, MSU -61

2011
grizz allow 21, MSU scores 10, MSU avg 33. um +11, MSU -23
grizz allow 330, MSU gains 250, MSU avg 430. um +80, MSU -180

2010
grizz allow 22, MSU scores 21, MSU avg 34. um +1, MSU -13
grizz allow 290, MSU gains 318*, MSU avg 460. um -28, MSU -142

*we lost 40 yards of offense on a bad snap that went for a safety. With that um would be +12 and MSU would be -182.

[mslacatfan]

This is a great thread. It probably goes too deep for most of our posters, but the numbers are flat out staggering. Below is a list of what um was allowing in points and total yards going into Cat-grizz and what they held us to, along with what we were averaging.

2014
grizz avg points allowed 22, held MSU to 7, MSU was averaging 41. um +15, MSU -34
grizz avg yards allowed 375, held MSU to 314, MSU was averaging 495. um +61, MSU -181

2013
grizz allow 25, MSU scores 14, MSU averaged 34. um +11, MSU -20
grizz allow 370, MSU gets 272, MSU averaged 425. um +98, MSU -153

2012
grizz allow 27, MSU scores 16, MSU avg 35. um +11, MSU -19
grizz allow 385, MSU gains 354, MSU avg 415. um +31, MSU -61

2011
grizz allow 21, MSU scores 10, MSU avg 33. um +11, MSU -23
grizz allow 330, MSU gains 250, MSU avg 430. um +80, MSU -180

2010
grizz allow 22, MSU scores 21, MSU avg 34. um +1, MSU -13
grizz allow 290, MSU gains 318*, MSU avg 460. um -28, MSU -142

*we lost 40 yards of offense on a bad snap that went for a safety. With that um would be +12 and MSU would be -182.

wow! when you look at it like that, it is pretty eye opening..... WTF? Even though we won a couple of those games, it is safe to say that the Griz just seem to make Coach Ash their bitch.

[Bobcat Sig]

Looking at those numbers it really makes you think what the heck is going on with our team going into these games.

Not much, apparently.

Hmmmm. Maybe that whole they're stealing our signals really does have some merit?

I honestly think it does.

[[cat_bracket]]

MSU has been held below 354 yards just 15 times in the last 5 years. The grizz have five of those. The other ten are split between nine teams. Of those only SHSU has done it twice. 292 and 349.

Of the bottom 10 (314 or less), um has four. Two are FBS teams. The other four are NAU, So. Utah, SAC, and SHSU.

[GoCats18]

I understand that sometimes you just have a bad day at the office, like 7 turnovers is not a good day. I understand that the griz have a good defense. What I don't understand was that game 3 years ago in Bozeman where our offense would come to the line, read their defense, then turn toward our sideline, watch the play call (which the griz were watching too), then we would change our formation based on their defense and then they would change their defense based on what we called. You don't get that from game film that is traded between teams. That is someone in the stands recording our play calling, then recording the play, then analyzing the tapes and creating a game plan. Cheaters!!! Hate to say it. But it is true and they know it.

[Htowngriz]

They cheat, we all know it. Never seen a defensive coordinator stand behind a flag and call in plays. Just seems a little odd.

Wow. As if your team's performance wasn't embarrassing enough, you have to start with the whining and excuse making. You got beat by a better team in every phase of the game. Take it like a man and move on.

[GoCats18]

They cheat, we all know it. Never seen a defensive coordinator stand behind a flag and call in plays. Just seems a little odd.

Wow. As if your team's performance wasn't embarrassing enough, you have to start with the whining and excuse making. You got beat by a better team in every phase of the game. Take it like a man and move on.

I was talking about 3 years ago, where it was obvious your d-coordinator cheated. Saturday, that was all Bleksin. If Prukop was 100%, we all no the outcome is way different. You didn't cheat this year, you didn't have too. But three years ago, I even had griz buddies that told me that they were affraid the news story was about to break that they had been caught cheating, kind of like the Patriots did. It does happen!!!

[grizatwork]

Congratulations guys. You have arrived. This place officially has as many conspiracy theorists as egriz.

[grizatwork]

Because they hid their signals from the crowd and the other team they cheated 3 years ago? If they were afraid the story was going to break before the game, why didn't it break after the game? I don't have any proof they didn't cheat, but you don't have any that they did either. Remember, just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

[GoCats18]

Because they hid their signals from the crowd and the other team they cheated 3 years ago? If they were afraid the story was going to break before the game, why didn't it break after the game? I don't have any proof they didn't cheat, but you don't have any that they did either. Remember, just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

So your defesne coordinator didn't want our fans to see what your were calling. Thanks for making me piss my pants laughing.

[tampa_griz]

Because they hid their signals from the crowd and the other team they cheated 3 years ago? If they were afraid the story was going to break before the game, why didn't it break after the game? I don't have any proof they didn't cheat, but you don't have any that they did either. Remember, just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

So your defesne coordinator didn't want our fans to see what your were calling. Thanks for making me piss my pants laughing.

There's some irony.