FCS Championship Game

[John K]

We still hold our edge in football championships at 3-2 over the frizz. And of course no one will ever touch us as the only school in the country with national championships in the three most important sports: Football, basketball, and rodeo. We won football in '56, '76 and '84. Hoops in '29. And rodeo in '72, '75 and '88.

I’m sorry, but I just cannot accept a 0-0 tie in the NAIA championship as a legit Championship. If we’re being generous and include your D2 Natty, then our teams are tied 2-2 for Football. Although, The ‘84 D1 Natty was well deserved and should be counted no matter the circumstances.

Thanks for being generous and including a title that was won through the playoff system of its time. That’s very kind of you.

So the Big Sky started in 63’ with the Cats and Griz both as members in the same level, right?
The Cats won that D2 title in 76.
The griz were at that same level in 76, right?

So how does the 76’ title count as any less than either of their 2?

If we’re looking at apples to apples comparisons, the titles are 2-2 while both teams are playing at the same level. There is no argument here, these two “count” under any possible way of looking at it.

FCS started in 1978 so D2 was the level. Realignment and title just changed in 78. Its virtually the same thing and absolutely counts as a National Title...especially since both were part of the same level in 1976.

Very few Griz fans have a hard time touting their big lead in the overall series, which is almost entirely from games played between 1910 and 1954. I think they won something like 40 out of 50 games during that stretch. But when you bring up that NAIA title (there have been a lot of 'ties' for national titles over the years) they have a tough time with it. MSU (NAIA) beat UM (NCAA) in 1956. It's a can't have your cake and eat it too situation. If they don't want to count that title, then I guess no one should count any games played before 1956. Can't have it both ways.

I’m a bit of a numbers nerd and like looking at this stuff. It’s interesting to break it down since there is such a long history to look at.

From the beginning through 1962 (last year before Big Sky was formed)- the griz led 42-15.

As we all know the vast majority of that time frame was made up from when the two teams played at different levels of college football.
Of their current 32 game lead in the series, 27 of them came in this time. Between 62 and 127 years ago.

During this time, there was a stretch from 1912-1962 that they owned a 35-8 advantage. (The first 9 games of the matchup were even, 7-7-2).

Since 1963, the only time frame that remotely makes sense to try and compare successes and head to head records since they were truly on the same playing level, in the same conference, etc, the record is 32-27 in favor of the griz. This includes the streak.

So in what is now a 60 year sample size of the two teams playing on the same level, the griz hold a small advantage in the head to head and are even in national titles. 2-2, the griz titles are just more recent.

There have been ebbs and flows in those 60 years. The Cats owned most of the 60’s, 70’s and early 80’s. The griz owned the late 80’s and 90’s. It’s been even since the early 2000’s.

Despite what most griz fans will say, it’s just simply not the dominance they like to pound their chest about. It’s recency bias more than anything else. And that recency bias is coming from a time that a becoming less and less “recent” (referring to the 90’s and 00’s when they had the streak going and/or played for national titles). As Tomcat says, if that 56’ national title doesn’t “count” for us, then stop counting the results of this game from that same time period 60+ years ago when they were playing in different levels, most of that time with leather helmets.

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

gris lead 11-10, since the streak ended in 2002.

[RockyBearCat]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

[John K]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

I think officially our record against them is 10-11, while their record against us is 10-10. Their vacated 2011 win counts as a loss for us, but doesn't count as a win for them. I know that makes zero sense, and that's why I've always thought the whole concept of vacated wins is just sorta bizarre and stupid.

[RockyBearCat]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

I think officially our record against them is 10-11, while their record against us is 10-10. Their vacated 2011 win counts as a loss for us, but doesn't count as a win for them. I know that makes zero sense, and that's why I've always thought the whole concept of vacated wins is just sorta bizarre and stupid.

That could be. I am not sure on how that is reflected.

Here is the game list since the streak ended.

[1890Griz]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

[tdub]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

Didn’t realize you played in the game. Congrats. Hope you enjoyed the free hot dogs.

[TheJoeGoldstone]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

I may not have been raised in MT when you were?, but calling that fair and square is simply BS. The only thing fair and square about it was the gris got caught. However, I can see how a Philosophy degree from dUMb would make a person think like that . . .

[1890Griz]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

I may not have been raised in MT when you were?, but calling that fair and square is simply BS. The only thing fair and square about it was the gris got caught. However, I can see how a Philosophy degree from dUMb would make a person think like that . . .

Actually, I’m planning on majoring in Mathematics or Law when I get to UM. The violations committed by UM Boosters were posting bail(?) I believe. Also giving out hotdogs to players at tailgates. The game was played and won fair and square. The violations occurred outside of the game.

[RickRund]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

I may not have been raised in MT when you were?, but calling that fair and square is simply BS. The only thing fair and square about it was the gris got caught. However, I can see how a Philosophy degree from dUMb would make a person think like that . . .

Actually, I’m planning on majoring in Mathematics or Law when I get to UM. The violations committed by UM Boosters were posting bail(?) I believe. Also giving out hotdogs to players at tailgates. The game was played and won fair and square. The violations occurred outside of the game.

So the infractions were done by private citizens?

[1890Griz]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

I may not have been raised in MT when you were?, but calling that fair and square is simply BS. The only thing fair and square about it was the gris got caught. However, I can see how a Philosophy degree from dUMb would make a person think like that . . .

Actually, I’m planning on majoring in Mathematics or Law when I get to UM. The violations committed by UM Boosters were posting bail(?) I believe. Also giving out hotdogs to players at tailgates. The game was played and won fair and square. The violations occurred outside of the game.

So the infractions were done by private citizens?

I believe private citizens, who were boosters, posted bail for 2 of our players. The hotdog scandal was done by tailgates consisting of many different people of different status.

[TheJoeGoldstone]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

I may not have been raised in MT when you were?, but calling that fair and square is simply BS. The only thing fair and square about it was the gris got caught. However, I can see how a Philosophy degree from dUMb would make a person think like that . . .

Actually, I’m planning on majoring in Mathematics or Law when I get to UM. The violations committed by UM Boosters were posting bail(?) I believe. Also giving out hotdogs to players at tailgates. The game was played and won fair and square. The violations occurred outside of the game.

When you GET to dUMb?! How old are you?

[PapaG]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

I may not have been raised in MT when you were?, but calling that fair and square is simply BS. The only thing fair and square about it was the gris got caught. However, I can see how a Philosophy degree from dUMb would make a person think like that . . .

Actually, I’m planning on majoring in Mathematics or Law when I get to UM. The violations committed by UM Boosters were posting bail(?) I believe. Also giving out hotdogs to players at tailgates. The game was played and won fair and square. The violations occurred outside of the game.

Out of curiosity, how do you major in “law” as an undergraduate student at UM? I know they are offering a Pre-Law Certificate program starting in the Fall, but as I understand it you also need to graduate with BA or BS and the Pre-Law program is an addition to your primary degree. I may be incorrect on this.

[1890Griz]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

I may not have been raised in MT when you were?, but calling that fair and square is simply BS. The only thing fair and square about it was the gris got caught. However, I can see how a Philosophy degree from dUMb would make a person think like that . . .

Actually, I’m planning on majoring in Mathematics or Law when I get to UM. The violations committed by UM Boosters were posting bail(?) I believe. Also giving out hotdogs to players at tailgates. The game was played and won fair and square. The violations occurred outside of the game.

When you GET to dUMb?! How old are you?

17

[1890Griz]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

I may not have been raised in MT when you were?, but calling that fair and square is simply BS. The only thing fair and square about it was the gris got caught. However, I can see how a Philosophy degree from dUMb would make a person think like that . . .

Actually, I’m planning on majoring in Mathematics or Law when I get to UM. The violations committed by UM Boosters were posting bail(?) I believe. Also giving out hotdogs to players at tailgates. The game was played and won fair and square. The violations occurred outside of the game.

Out of curiosity, how do you major in “law” as an undergraduate student at UM? I know they are offering a Pre-Law Certificate program starting in the Fall, but as I understand it you also need to graduate with BA or BS and the Pre-Law program is an addition to your primary degree. I may be incorrect on this.

I believe you are correct, that is what I was meaning in regards to majoring in law.

[autocat]

Curious if you might have this, but what is the series record since the streak ended?

Series is tied 10-10 since 2002. gris also have 1 evacuated win because they cheated.

We beat you fair and square. That whole debacle is irrelevant now that NIL exists. Even without those 2 players playing, we would’ve beat you.

I may not have been raised in MT when you were?, but calling that fair and square is simply BS. The only thing fair and square about it was the gris got caught. However, I can see how a Philosophy degree from dUMb would make a person think like that . . .

Actually, I’m planning on majoring in Mathematics or Law when I get to UM. The violations committed by UM Boosters were posting bail(?) I believe. Also giving out hotdogs to players at tailgates. The game was played and won fair and square. The violations occurred outside of the game.

Out of curiosity, how do you major in “law” as an undergraduate student at UM? I know they are offering a Pre-Law Certificate program starting in the Fall, but as I understand it you also need to graduate with BA or BS and the Pre-Law program is an addition to your primary degree. I may be incorrect on this.

I believe you are correct, that is what I was meaning in regards to majoring in law.

You are still in high school? That explains everything you’ve said

[BFcatfan]

We still hold our edge in football championships at 3-2 over the frizz. And of course no one will ever touch us as the only school in the country with national championships in the three most important sports: Football, basketball, and rodeo. We won football in '56, '76 and '84. Hoops in '29. And rodeo in '72, '75 and '88.

I’m sorry, but I just cannot accept a 0-0 tie in the NAIA championship as a legit Championship. If we’re being generous and include your D2 Natty, then our teams are tied 2-2 for Football. Although, The ‘84 D1 Natty was well deserved and should be counted no matter the circumstances.

Thanks for being generous and including a title that was won through the playoff system of its time. That’s very kind of you.

So the Big Sky started in 63’ with the Cats and Griz both as members in the same level, right?
The Cats won that D2 title in 76.
The griz were at that same level in 76, right?

So how does the 76’ title count as any less than either of their 2?

If we’re looking at apples to apples comparisons, the titles are 2-2 while both teams are playing at the same level. There is no argument here, these two “count” under any possible way of looking at it.

FCS started in 1978 so D2 was the level. Realignment and title just changed in 78. Its virtually the same thing and absolutely counts as a National Title...especially since both were part of the same level in 1976.

Very few Griz fans have a hard time touting their big lead in the overall series, which is almost entirely from games played between 1910 and 1954. I think they won something like 40 out of 50 games during that stretch. But when you bring up that NAIA title (there have been a lot of 'ties' for national titles over the years) they have a tough time with it. MSU (NAIA) beat UM (NCAA) in 1956. It's a can't have your cake and eat it too situation. If they don't want to count that title, then I guess no one should count any games played before 1956. Can't have it both ways.

I’m a bit of a numbers nerd and like looking at this stuff. It’s interesting to break it down since there is such a long history to look at.

From the beginning through 1962 (last year before Big Sky was formed)- the griz led 42-15.

As we all know the vast majority of that time frame was made up from when the two teams played at different levels of college football.
Of their current 32 game lead in the series, 27 of them came in this time. Between 62 and 127 years ago.

During this time, there was a stretch from 1912-1962 that they owned a 35-8 advantage. (The first 9 games of the matchup were even, 7-7-2).

Since 1963, the only time frame that remotely makes sense to try and compare successes and head to head records since they were truly on the same playing level, in the same conference, etc, the record is 32-27 in favor of the griz. This includes the streak.

So in what is now a 60 year sample size of the two teams playing on the same level, the griz hold a small advantage in the head to head and are even in national titles. 2-2, the griz titles are just more recent.

There have been ebbs and flows in those 60 years. The Cats owned most of the 60’s, 70’s and early 80’s. The griz owned the late 80’s and 90’s. It’s been even since the early 2000’s.

Despite what most griz fans will say, it’s just simply not the dominance they like to pound their chest about. It’s recency bias more than anything else. And that recency bias is coming from a time that a becoming less and less “recent” (referring to the 90’s and 00’s when they had the streak going and/or played for national titles). As Tomcat says, if that 56’ national title doesn’t “count” for us, then stop counting the results of this game from that same time period 60+ years ago when they were playing in different levels, most of that time with leather helmets.

100% agree here… but trust me it falls on deaf ears when talking to Gris fans. They can’t comprehend or want to comprehend logic like that. They just want to pound their chest…

[BFcatfan]

Why do they play the game on Sunday afternoon? They have to compete with the NFL on it's last regular season game. Why don't they play it on Friday night? Every sports bar in the US would have it on.

Heck Saturday at noon would be perfect. Only college game on and only one NFL game to compete with at 230.

When the reporter talked to the NCAA president on the sidelines. She said that it was the first time he had been to the FCS Championship game?

That’s sad to me… I wished the reporter would of asked some questions about coming up with some rules and regulations on the portal…

[BFcatfan]

We still hold our edge in football championships at 3-2 over the frizz. And of course no one will ever touch us as the only school in the country with national championships in the three most important sports: Football, basketball, and rodeo. We won football in '56, '76 and '84. Hoops in '29. And rodeo in '72, '75 and '88.

I’m sorry, but I just cannot accept a 0-0 tie in the NAIA championship as a legit Championship. If we’re being generous and include your D2 Natty, then our teams are tied 2-2 for Football. Although, The ‘84 D1 Natty was well deserved and should be counted no matter the circumstances.

I guarantee you that if it had been the griz who won a D-II NC in 1976, every griz fan on the planet would "count it" as being 100% legit, without considering it as "being generous" to do so. That was before I-AA/FCS even existed so it was still the 2nd highest level of college football at that time. If you want to dispute the 1956 NAIA title, so be it, but there should be no debate about the 1976 NC.

Gris fans sure do like to point out all of their wins against MSU when the Bobcats were NAIA and UM was NCAA. What’s actually impressive is that some of those MSU NAIA teams beat UM during that era.

This is it

[Cat Grad]

Second is first place losers.

Second place is nothing.

Now, go find who said those two statements.

And without a doubt, that place just off exit 105 on I-90 is nothing since Ft. Missoula became a soccer field.

[rivercat]

Why do they play the game on Sunday afternoon? They have to compete with the NFL on it's last regular season game. Why don't they play it on Friday night? Every sports bar in the US would have it on.

Heck Saturday at noon would be perfect. Only college game on and only one NFL game to compete with at 230.

When the reporter talked to the NCAA president on the sidelines. She said that it was the first time he had been to the FCS Championship game?

That’s sad to me… I wished the reporter would of asked some questions about coming up with some rules and regulations on the portal…

Not to defend the NCAA, but this is his first year I believe.