CatsNoMatterWhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:10 pm
KittieKop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:49 pm
CatsNoMatterWhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:38 pm
KittieKop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:33 pm
CatsNoMatterWhat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:30 pm
KittieKop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:27 pm
"I've stated that I don't know if Ash can take us to the next level and then I've made it clear that I hope I'm wrong and don't think he should be fired. Just simply stating your concern for what you perceive to be troubling tendencies has become quite the crime around here and apparently e-grizzish..."
utucats
November 20, 2014
Seems your attitude has changed a bit over the last few years, huh?
What's it gonna take for you to be good man?
I've been critical of some of Choate's decision making recently, but at the end of the day he's rebuilt this program. We're tough as nails. We don't give up. We win a lot of games in the 4th. There is very little to be unhappy about.
I've largely held my water where your concerned because you seem like a smart guy...but I'm nearing a point where I think you are just an Ash praising malcontent. We are in the playoffs for ****** sake. Knock it off. Ash is gone. Choate is here, he's doing a good job. Enough.
Utu wants to call everyone out that has the least critical thing to say. He is on record saying its egrizz-ish to do so. This isn't an Ash-Choate thing in the least, but its interesting you went there. It's a utucats is a hypocrite thing. But thanks for the scolding.
I didn't scold you!!
I just asked what level of success is necessary for your to become a believer!
This is a helluva team. Plain and simple. We have a bunch of sophomores playing defense and a linebacker playing QB. And we're hosting a playoff game! Just chill man! UTU be damned, you're acting as though we haven't accomplished anything. I find it hard to believe you actually feel that way.
What do you mean "a believer"? Am I happy the Cats won? I'm an alumnus, I'm paying tuition there now and have been a season ticket holder for 10 years. Of course I'm happy, and just paid for playoff tickets. Where do you get off setting standards for what every other fan has to believe or what they can or can't be happy about? Am I thrilled about the inconsistency of our offense? No. I'm frustrated we don't have a true quarterback in that position. I'm frustrated that the Cats went down 22-0 yesterday. Am I thrilled they overcame that and won, of course! But I don't believe it should have come down to a last second goal line stand.
What's it going to take for me to be a "Choate believer"?
This winning season and a play off birth is a good step in the right direction. I want to see progress again next year. I want to see development in the quarterback position, something that's been greatly lacking his first three years here.
How about engaging in conversation about differences in opinion, other than castigating people who maybe don't react the same way you do to things by jumping up and down and screaming. I'm excited for MSU success - I just don't see the need to chew other people's butts if they don't "drink the Kool-aid" and see every single last thing MSU through blue and gold glasses.
I didn't castigate you man. Good god. Drama city. Re-read my response. I have a 1,000 word post ON THE RECORD describing the fact that people who bang fans for being critical of obvious shortcomings should go to hell. We're all entitled to have high expectations.
However...
I haven't (and this isn't scientific...I haven't gone back through your posts...and I don't plan to) ever recalled you being supportive of the current staff. You buy your tickets. Go to the games. But you're always critical as hell. The fact is very few coaches could have made things work this year...Choate did. Montana State did. We're hosting a playoff game that we will--in all likelihood--win.
What I asked you--and this goes to your desire to engage in a conversation about differences of opinion--is at what point do you accept things are going in a good direction? You didn't answer that question. When you do, I'll shut up. Because your answer is less important to me than your willingness to acknowledge the question.
The best,
CNMW
I think I answered that above. I think its headed in the right direction. A winning season and a playoff birth are definitely steps in the right direction. Are we there yet? No, I don't think so. And if people are saying "we've arrived", I don't think they're being honest. Was this season a success especially considering the spate of injuries and the QB situation? Absolutely. Some of the issues are player/talent related. Some of the issues are coaching/staff/inexperience issues. Is a playoff birth in year three for Choate great? Yes, very happy for this team. But I'm NOT going to say the work is done or that this is the BEST COACHING JOB IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS!!!! as some in the one thread want to declare, because some of the issues remain with the coaching staff.
Here's the thing: you don't have to be anti-Choate/against the Cats OR 1000% a cheerleader and wanting the guy to father your children. There's PLENTY of room in between. I'm in between. There's been PLENTY of things with this season to be happy with and PLENTY that make you scratch your head and be frustrated.
When will I be 100% on board. Let's start with convincingly winning the games we're supposed to win, starting to win the 50-50 toss up games (ISU for example, though the UM games the past three years have all essentially been toss ups, so kudos there), and finally, pulling out an upset along the way. the Cat Griz game this year? Epic, one for the history of the season absolutely and a hard fought victory. But how many times this year did we lament slow starts and digging a hole? It shouldn't have been 22-0 to start out the game.
Why am i not 100% yet? I want a solution at the QB position. That shouldn't bee too much to ask in the 4th year of a program. I think that will address some of the second, but the Cats have been wildly inconsistent on offense. Promoting Miller several weeks back might be a solution. Defense has improved immensely the past three years, but they've also been soft on the edges and Saturday proved the secondary isn't as locked down as maybe everyone thought at the beginning of the season.
Look, excited to be back in the playoffs. Are things headed in the right direction? I think so, much more so than last year when Choate was given a contract extension. I feel better about that now than I did then, as I think many do.
Will you acknowledge we can have a difference of opinion on details without having to be a "hater" or a "cheerleader"? Because that seems to often be the only two camps you can be in around here this season. Either you're on board and have to be 1000% behind every last minutia, or else you're a bad fan, a "hater", an embarrassment and should have to turn in your season tickets.
I'm done trying to explain this over and over and over and defend myself. I am who I am. I'm not a cheerleader in anything I do. Am I critical? Yes, but there have been plenty of people here lamenting "accepting mediocrity" over the years. So, things are pointed in the right direction, but we still have a head coach under .500 in his three years here and is having his first winning season. I'm not ready to throw in yet until I see some consistency and not be the "something's building over there team" or just being the "toughest out" for another team. I don't want the Cats to be a .500 team, but "damn, they sure fight hard, they're just a couple years away" all the time. I think they've taken a big step in the right direction.