Crazy ending to griz game.

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There was .4 remaining... it was over.

.4 is not over. Just admit it. It should've been a T. If they miss you win. If they make both it gets decided in OT. Is it too much to ask to play by the rules.

[GetEm_Griz]

This thread is comical!

As others have said, it would have been a technical if the ball was in play. The ball wasn't in play, therefore, no technical...

[catatac]

Just in case someone missed it:

He's damn near in the key!

Hmmm, well to say the ball wasn't "in play" isn't very accurate. Correct, they had not inbounded it yet, but that is probably because there was a guy in a suit on the court close to a guy that was open (look at the pic and you'll see who I'm talking about - he likely would have had time to launch a shot),and who know's if he was going to go for the steal or not?

[CelticCat]

If the refs did indeed stop the clock to look at the clock, then that isn't a foul.

But when you watch the video, you can see a NAU player has the ball out of bounds looking to pass, is being actively guarded, takes a few steps and inbounds the ball to a teammate who is sprinting, just as the Griz dumbass is diving back into his bench. But you can also hear the whistle being blown before the ball is inbounded.

Basically, the Griz got lucky that the refs blew the whistle to check the clock, otherwise dumbass is mid-drive when the ball is inbounded.

[Potomac Griz]

If the refs did indeed stop the clock to look at the clock, then that isn't a foul.

But when you watch the video, you can see a NAU player has the ball out of bounds looking to pass, is being actively guarded, takes a few steps and inbounds the ball to a teammate who is sprinting, just as the Griz dumbass is diving back into his bench. But you can also hear the whistle being blown before the ball is inbounded.

Basically, the Griz got lucky that the refs blew the whistle to check the clock, otherwise dumbass is mid-drive when the ball is inbounded.

It definitely wasn't the smartest move ever, but like I posted above it happens a lot in college basketball and never or at least very rarely results in a T (as long as the ball isn't in play yet). The refs probably not only blew the whistle to check the time but also because there were extra people on the court (like they do in other games when this happens). I am thankful that NAU didn't inbound it before the whistle blew... THAT would have been a different situation and might have resulted in a T, so yeah.... Griz got a bit lucky that didn't happen.

Also that same player (Edmonds) who wasn't suited up did a great job after the game when coach Murphy got a bit out of hand (as did many of the other players for both the Griz and NAU in trying to calm things down). He basically picked up Jordan Gregory and carried him off the court to make sure he didn't get involved and do something to get himself in trouble, since he's pretty damn important to the team! So while he did let his excitement get the best of him and rush the court like a dope (as did a few fans on the other end of the court who rushed the court), he at least he somewhat atoned for it by hauling Gregory off, who can get a bit fiery at times himself.

I hope Edmonds is back next year. It really hurt to lose him early in the year due to grades. He was really starting to play well for the Griz and would have likely been the starter at the SF position for most of the year. Griz were pretty short handed this year with being down 1 scholarship (Martin's scholarship who isn't with the team anymore) then losing Edmonds to grades. Damn good job by DeCuire though taking this team who was picked to finish 8th in the conference and finishing 1st. Hoping we put up a good fight (or maybe upset) Texas A&M in the NIT. They are very beatable but...very big too & capable of blowing us out. Their leading scorer is out it sounds like though and they've struggled without him. So who knows.... one minute they take Kentucky to overtime the next minute they struggle with 9-24 Charleston and Hartford even with that guy.

Hoping Sac and NAU do well in their tournaments too and EWU sure has a tough challenge ahead...but Georgetown has a history of choking in the NCAA tournament so... hope that continues for them. Love this time of year...and Go Big Sky!

[[cat_bracket]]

If what he did was within the rules, then every team should start doing it. Great way to allow your defense to get in position for the inbounds play. Eliminates the opportunity for a quick, deep outlet pass from the baseline. After every made basket just send a player or assistant out there.

[catatac]

If what he did was within the rules, then every team should start doing it. Great way to allow your defense to get in position for the inbounds play. Eliminates the opportunity for a quick, deep outlet pass from the baseline. After every made basket just send a player or assistant out there.

Great point. Especially when you're down there to only a second or two in a tight game.... right when the ball goes through the hoop, have a reserve player jump out in front of the player trying to in bounds the ball.

[CelticCat]

It all comes back to the fact that I'm still bitter about the Suns/Spurs playoff series from like 2007 where Robert Horry body checked Steve Nash into the scorer's table, 3 Suns players stepped onto the court, didn't into a scuffle with Horry or any Spurs players, and they all were suspended for the next game, including Stoudemire and Boris Diaw. Horry also threw an elbow at Raja Bell I believe.

So when I see something like that, where a member of an organization can basically cheat without any real ramification, it irks (not saying this was the case here). Horry basically hobbled Nash, got two of the Suns better post players suspended for a game, and elbowed Bell in the face. Horry was suspended for 2 games for his part, but really all one has to do is sacrifice a bench player who doesn't see any real time to potentially sabotage the other teams valuable players.

[Jobu]

Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

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Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

I just love these I'm-going-to-show-how-fair-I-am posts we've seen around the board lately where someone sticks up for the grizz, which I guess is the ultimate way to try to brand yourself as fair.
Whether there's a rule on what that player on the bench in street clothes did or not it CLEARLY gave his team an advantage and some sort of penalty should be assessed, if one isn't already on the books. Either a T or advance the ball to mid court. He CLEARLY disrupted the NAU inbound play.
The NAU coach was wrong to go after DeCuire, but DeCuire overreacted. He could've just walked away and there's no incident.
No, this isn't a grizz thing. It's a bad rule thing. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing this if there's no rule against it, which is just plain stupid.

[John K]

Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

Good post...I agree completely!

[GetEm_Griz]

Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

I just love these I'm-going-to-show-how-fair-I-am posts we've seen around the board lately where someone sticks up for the grizz, which I guess is the ultimate way to try to brand yourself as fair.
Whether there's a rule on what that player on the bench in street clothes did or not it CLEARLY gave his team an advantage and some sort of penalty should be assessed, if one isn't already on the books. Either a T or advance the ball to mid court. He CLEARLY disrupted the NAU inbound play.
The NAU coach was wrong to go after DeCuire, but DeCuire overreacted. He could've just walked away and there's no incident.
No, this isn't a grizz thing. It's a bad rule thing. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing this if there's no rule against it, which is just plain stupid.

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Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

I just love these I'm-going-to-show-how-fair-I-am posts we've seen around the board lately where someone sticks up for the grizz, which I guess is the ultimate way to try to brand yourself as fair.
Whether there's a rule on what that player on the bench in street clothes did or not it CLEARLY gave his team an advantage and some sort of penalty should be assessed, if one isn't already on the books. Either a T or advance the ball to mid court. He CLEARLY disrupted the NAU inbound play.
The NAU coach was wrong to go after DeCuire, but DeCuire overreacted. He could've just walked away and there's no incident.
No, this isn't a grizz thing. It's a bad rule thing. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing this if there's no rule against it, which is just plain stupid.

Seriously?

[Jobu]

Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

I just love these I'm-going-to-show-how-fair-I-am posts we've seen around the board lately where someone sticks up for the grizz, which I guess is the ultimate way to try to brand yourself as fair.
Whether there's a rule on what that player on the bench in street clothes did or not it CLEARLY gave his team an advantage and some sort of penalty should be assessed, if one isn't already on the books. Either a T or advance the ball to mid court. He CLEARLY disrupted the NAU inbound play.
The NAU coach was wrong to go after DeCuire, but DeCuire overreacted. He could've just walked away and there's no incident.
No, this isn't a grizz thing. It's a bad rule thing. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing this if there's no rule against it, which is just plain stupid.

Bracket, sorry if no one believes you when you say it isnt a Griz thing. It seems likes it's ALWAYS a Griz thing with you.

If it's a bad rule thing and not a Griz thing, why don't you complain on this board every time a non player comes on the floor of any game (which happens dozens of times a year)?

A few years ago Eastern fans stormed their football field with time remaining against the Griz. Would you argue they should have been penalized giving the Griz a shot at a winning FG, or should the officials have done what they did, which was clear the field and let the players decide the game?

Your answer will be telling, me thinks.



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Big Sky Conference Commissioner Doug Fullerton has done an initial review of the incident that occurred immediately following the end of Friday night’s Big Sky Conference semifinal game between the Montana Grizzlies and Northern Arizona Lumberjacks.

“First thing, I want to compliment the players,’’ Fullerton said. “The players as we watch them, there are no punches thrown, and they are breaking it up. They absolutely did a good job, both sets of players. The one thing people want to know about is (Montana coach) Travis (DeCuire). I see absolutely no action by Travis that would cause us to suspend him or cause any problems for Travis tomorrow. We’re still reviewing the head coach at Northern Arizona.’’

Montana defeated Northern Arizona 61-59 on a Jordan Gregory basket with .4 seconds remaining on the clock. Montana will play Eastern Washington in the 2015 Big Sky Men’s Basketball Championship on Saturday at 7 p.m. Mountain.

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Wasn't the incident the fact of a no call by the officials on the UM bench?

Is it my misunderstanding or is this another example of a poor officiating situation being swept under the rug? ESPN seems to agree with me. The altercation after the game is a whole other issue of its own but provoked by the preceding.

I do have to admire all the constructive griz fan input given here. Win any way you can and be proud of it.

The worse part is UM would most likely have won anyway but the actions of the ****** on the UM bench clouds the memory of a win for the players. Regardless of what amybody says I don't believe the players ever feel as good about the win with the cloud of a missed call.

[tampa_griz]

I do have to admire all the constructive griz fan input given here. Win any way you can and be proud of it. :oops

And MSU fans coming out now....because of what happened in this game involving their rival they haven't beat in ten straight contests screams of petulance.

[Potomac Griz]

ESPN seems to agree with me.

History doesn't agree with you at all though. See the following two examples. No technical fouls called in either situation (and shouldn't have been called).

Arizona State fans rush the court early (also a bit of hanging on the rim)

Cal fans rush the court early.

The refs did what they should do in those situations and got things under control (using the P.A. announcer to help) and then let the game be decided on the court, not by people who aren't suited up and/or fans who let their excitement get the best of them. I watch a TON of college basketball every year and cannot remember a single incident where people storming the court early (even on a MUCH bigger scale than 3 people like happened at the Griz game) resulted in a technical foul. I'm sure it has at some point, but it's certainly not common at the college level, yet storming the court early is fairly common. As long as it doesn't happen while the ball is in play it's not going to result in T. If NAU had inbounded the ball before the refs blew the whistle to check the clock and clear the court (at least 2 other students on the other end of the court rushed too) then yeah...it could very well have resulted in a T.

As Jobu, who is a Cat fan asked (and no one seems willing to answer):

A few years ago Eastern fans stormed their football field with time remaining against the Griz. Would you argue they should have been penalized giving the Griz a shot at a winning FG, or should the officials have done what they did, which was clear the field and let the players decide the game?

I'll answer it as a Griz fan who hates losing to EWU. No, the refs should not have penalized EWU giving the Griz a shot at a winning FG. The game should be decided on the field. The end.

[[cat_bracket]]

Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

I just love these I'm-going-to-show-how-fair-I-am posts we've seen around the board lately where someone sticks up for the grizz, which I guess is the ultimate way to try to brand yourself as fair.
Whether there's a rule on what that player on the bench in street clothes did or not it CLEARLY gave his team an advantage and some sort of penalty should be assessed, if one isn't already on the books. Either a T or advance the ball to mid court. He CLEARLY disrupted the NAU inbound play.
The NAU coach was wrong to go after DeCuire, but DeCuire overreacted. He could've just walked away and there's no incident.
No, this isn't a grizz thing. It's a bad rule thing. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing this if there's no rule against it, which is just plain stupid.

Bracket, sorry if no one believes you when you say it isnt a Griz thing. It seems likes it's ALWAYS a Griz thing with you.

If it's a bad rule thing and not a Griz thing, why don't you complain on this board every time a non player comes on the floor of any game (which happens dozens of times a year)?

A few years ago Eastern fans stormed their football field with time remaining against the Griz. Would you argue they should have been penalized giving the Griz a shot at a winning FG, or should the officials have done what they did, which was clear the field and let the players decide the game?

Your answer will be telling, me thinks.



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How old are you? You don't sound like you even have a vague understanding of what happened. It WASN'T a fan, it WAS a player in street clothes, who was sitting on the bench. It wasn't a football game, it was basketball where the game isn't stopped after a score. This is like talking to a little kid.
Has nothing to do with the grizz, it has everything to do with the BSC. The fact you think I have it out for the grizz on this tells a lot about you, but that was mostly already known. You defend um even when no one is attacking them.

[[cat_bracket]]

ESPN seems to agree with me.

History doesn't agree with you at all though. See the following two examples. No technical fouls called in either situation (and shouldn't have been called).

Arizona State fans rush the court early (also a bit of hanging on the rim)

Cal fans rush the court early.

The refs did what they should do in those situations and got things under control (using the P.A. announcer to help) and then let the game be decided on the court, not by people who aren't suited up and/or fans who let their excitement get the best of them. I watch a TON of college basketball every year and cannot remember a single incident where people storming the court early (even on a MUCH bigger scale than 3 people like happened at the Griz game) resulted in a technical foul. I'm sure it has at some point, but it's certainly not common at the college level, yet storming the court early is fairly common. As long as it doesn't happen while the ball is in play it's not going to result in T. If NAU had inbounded the ball before the refs blew the whistle to check the clock and clear the court (at least 2 other students on the other end of the court rushed too) then yeah...it could very well have resulted in a T.

As Jobu, who is a Cat fan asked (and no one seems willing to answer):

A few years ago Eastern fans stormed their football field with time remaining against the Griz. Would you argue they should have been penalized giving the Griz a shot at a winning FG, or should the officials have done what they did, which was clear the field and let the players decide the game?

I'll answer it as a Griz fan who hates losing to EWU. No, the refs should not have penalized EWU giving the Griz a shot at a winning FG. The game should be decided on the field. The end.

Wow, you wasted a lot of time with this response that isn't aligned with what happened in missoula. Players dressed in street clothes sitting the bench aren't fans in the stands. Do you seriously not see the difference?

[go96griz]

Wow, you wasted a lot of time with this response that isn't aligned with what happened in missoula. Players dressed in street clothes sitting the bench aren't fans in the stands. Do you seriously not see the difference?

How old are you? You don't sound like you even have a vague understanding of what happened. It WASN'T a fan, it WAS a player in street clothes, who was sitting on the bench. It wasn't a football game, it was basketball where the game isn't stopped after a score. This is like talking to a little kid.
Has nothing to do with the grizz, it has everything to do with the BSC. The fact you think I have it out for the grizz on this tells a lot about you, but that was mostly already known. You defend um even when no one is attacking them.

cat_bracket, In addition to the griz player dressed in street clothes running off the bench there were also multiple fans running onto the court out of the student section. It's very clear at least two students are seen running across the court from one of the videos taken directly across the court from the student section (possibly the Missoulian or a local news station video). Does that mean you're both right or both wrong?